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Certainly none of the warehouses will sit on it as they want their warehouse space back, but with moving timelines it's difficult to say how prepared they where to begin the shipping process.

For the last couple months the timeline has been pretty consistant. End of May/early June(not an official Soda Pop date- they've been saying production would finish mid-April since February; posters have extrapolated from there.) They've been doing well with constant updates on what was finished when.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Certainly none of the warehouses will sit on it as they want their warehouse space back, but with moving timelines it's difficult to say how prepared they where to begin the shipping process.

Yup. IIRC, one of the crates got delayed while one did not (this was in an update, right?)

I'll try to glean more in regards to shipping if I can.

Whoa, just caught up on this thread. Copying Dentry's big post of the bare models below. But sheesh... there's like no faces on these things :-/

Personally, I am steering clear of restic until a company PROVES they can do well with them. I think chibi-type models with exaggerated features do well in it, and things like Privateer Press's exaggerated physiology can work. This is why I think the Noh Empire models look better. But these dainty female models... I mean, I can't even see any facial features on some of these :-/

 cincydooley wrote:
No, I got plenty of Sedition Wars. The models take some cleaning but are still better than any restic Mantic has produced to date.

I don't have the RK stuff in hand yet, but based on the photos, they look pretty rough.

I feel like this is damning them with faint praise, I don't want anything compared to Mantic, or board game pieces. I'm looking for miniature gaming quality pieces, which is why I have not joined any of these campaigns, whereas I did pledge for AvP's "true resin" campaign. And am planning to get some "true resin" Mierce models, as I know you yourself are a fan of, since I'm adding them to your pledge

I have tons of friends who bought into Relic Knights. They're going to be very disappointed with these, I think........ and I really cannot buy the continual "the next project will be better". I actually think Wrath of Kings might be. But I need to physically see it first before I consider spending a penny on restic models.

The only exception is large featured / exaggerated models- like Mantic's obsidian golems, even, which I got a bunch of after the fact since they turned out well. But there's no way I'm paying for any of these things ahead of time with the current restic track record to date!!

 Dentry wrote:
From Deke at the SPM forums.

BLACK DIAMOND

Spoiler:

Edit: looks like there're more incoming.

CERCI SPEED CIRCUIT

Spoiler:

STAR NEBULA CORSAIRS

Spoiler:

DOCTRINE

Spoiler:

NOH EMPIRE

Spoiler:

SHATTERED SWORD

Spoiler:

mold lines! mold lines every where!

out of all those, only 2 were pretty good.

This has all the potential of being worse than sedition wars.

 RiTides wrote:

I feel like this is damning them with faint praise, I don't want anything compared to Mantic, or board game pieces. I'm looking for miniature gaming quality pieces, which is why I have not joined any of these campaigns, whereas I did pledge for AvP's "true resin" campaign. And am planning to get some "true resin" Mierce models, as I know you yourself are a fan of, since I'm adding them to your pledge

You're completely right, but I think its still important to note how little the restic stuff costs for the amount of product you get as compared to the Mierce stuff. I wouldn't trade my Mierce stuff for much of anything, but it does come at a higher price tag than Relic Knights or Sedition Wars.

Again, I really like my Sedition Wars figs. For me they painted up really quickly and retained their detail, though I'm not a top 5% painter either. I think what I've done internally is reconcile the price I paid for Sedition Wars (and Relic Knights) and have determined that I'm "happy enough" with the product that I'm not going to get in a tizzy about them. Can they be better. Oh, for sure. But for the what...$1 a fig we payed for Sedition Wars and Relic Knights, I'm a bit more forgiving. With that being said, I completely understand the people that have concerns/complaints about the Sedition Wars stuff because they were expecting "McVey Miniatures" and the quality they received is certainly lesser than their resins.

I have tons of friends who bought into Relic Knights. They're going to be very disappointed with these, I think........ and I really cannot buy the continual "the next project will be better". I actually think Wrath of Kings might be. But I need to physically see it first before I consider spending a penny on restic models.

Based on what I've had in my hands, I believe the same. The WoK stuff I've handled, particularly the Hadross Squid Rider, was really top notch.

The only exception is large featured / exaggerated models- like Mantic's obsidian golems, even, which I got a bunch of after the fact since they turned out well. But there's no way I'm paying for any of these things ahead of time with the current restic track record to date!!

Deadzone was the nail in the coffin for me for Mantic KS projects. I know they have their next KS coming up for "better Dwarf Kings Hold," and while the minis I've seen look pretty great, I just don't trust them to transfer the sculpt to a well done production model.

wow.... these are really really really bad...

 cincydooley wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

I feel like this is damning them with faint praise, I don't want anything compared to Mantic, or board game pieces. I'm looking for miniature gaming quality pieces, which is why I have not joined any of these campaigns, whereas I did pledge for AvP's "true resin" campaign. And am planning to get some "true resin" Mierce models, as I know you yourself are a fan of, since I'm adding them to your pledge

You're completely right, but I think its still important to note how little the restic stuff costs for the amount of product you get as compared to the Mierce stuff. I wouldn't trade my Mierce stuff for much of anything, but it does come at a higher price tag than Relic Knights or Sedition Wars.

Again, I really like my Sedition Wars figs. For me they painted up really quickly and retained their detail, though I'm not a top 5% painter either. I think what I've done internally is reconcile the price I paid for Sedition Wars (and Relic Knights) and have determined that I'm "happy enough" with the product that I'm not going to get in a tizzy about them. Can they be better. Oh, for sure. But for the what...$1 a fig we payed for Sedition Wars and Relic Knights, I'm a bit more forgiving. With that being said, I completely understand the people that have concerns/complaints about the Sedition Wars stuff because they were expecting "McVey Miniatures" and the quality they received is certainly lesser than their resins.

What drives me crazy, though, is that this line of discussion only comes out After they take everyone's money and are delivering models that fail to meet expectations. I.e., before/during the campaign it's:

"This is a cannot miss deal! Totally insane value!"

And afterwards it's:

"This is a fair deal, these are after all gaming tokens, not miniatures. What did you expect for such a low price?"

People only expect what they're told, in a certain sense... I didn't believe the claims, but the claims of both this and Sedition Wars were wargaming miniatures quality... and in many ways, that's not what was delivered (I'll toss Mantic in here, as well).

Hopefully, people learn from these campaigns' results on what is really being offered, despite the sky-high claims, and choose whether or not to back accordingly...

 RiTides wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:

 RiTides wrote:

I feel like this is damning them with faint praise, I don't want anything compared to Mantic, or board game pieces. I'm looking for miniature gaming quality pieces, which is why I have not joined any of these campaigns, whereas I did pledge for AvP's "true resin" campaign. And am planning to get some "true resin" Mierce models, as I know you yourself are a fan of, since I'm adding them to your pledge

You're completely right, but I think its still important to note how little the restic stuff costs for the amount of product you get as compared to the Mierce stuff. I wouldn't trade my Mierce stuff for much of anything, but it does come at a higher price tag than Relic Knights or Sedition Wars.

Again, I really like my Sedition Wars figs. For me they painted up really quickly and retained their detail, though I'm not a top 5% painter either. I think what I've done internally is reconcile the price I paid for Sedition Wars (and Relic Knights) and have determined that I'm "happy enough" with the product that I'm not going to get in a tizzy about them. Can they be better. Oh, for sure. But for the what...$1 a fig we payed for Sedition Wars and Relic Knights, I'm a bit more forgiving. With that being said, I completely understand the people that have concerns/complaints about the Sedition Wars stuff because they were expecting "McVey Miniatures" and the quality they received is certainly lesser than their resins.

What drives me crazy, though, is that this line of discussion only comes out After they take everyone's money and are delivering models that fail to meet expectations. I.e., before/during the campaign it's:

"This is a cannot miss deal! Totally insane value!"

And afterwards it's:

"This is a fair deal, these are after all gaming tokens, not miniatures. What did you expect for such a low price?"

People only expect what they're told, in a certain sense... I didn't believe the claims, but the claims of both this and Sedition Wars were wargaming miniatures quality... and in many ways, that's not what was delivered (I'll toss Mantic in here, as well).

Hopefully, people learn from these campaigns' results on what is really being offered, despite the sky-high claims, and choose whether or not to back accordingly...

Well said. One should always look critically at a kickstarter, despite the deal. Skepticism can save a person a lot of money sometimes. Once everything is in my hands I'll judge if this kickstarter was worth it. As of now, I'm inclined to think it was. I get some generic sci-do figures, bases, base inserts, tokens to use for basing/objectives, and possible a decent ruleset for gaming. I'm not ready to call it a wash just yet, but I will definately be cautious before I look at buying anything else at retail.

well there's an official update at last- when will they start shipping? how long is piece of string?

Project Update #118: Shipping Update 6-3-2014
Posted by CoolMiniOrNot ♥ Like

Hey guys,

I wanted to drop in and give you guys a quick update about the status of shipping at this point in time. We just received the containers with the Relic Knights items. Immediately, the very same day, we began staging and building kits (bundling all the individual products into KS faction "box sets"). This is a rather time consuming process considering the complexity of this project, but we should begin shipping as soon as we build all the box set bundles. I know everyone is anxious to receive their products after such a long delay, and we are doing what we can to expedite this process. We want to thank each and everyone of you for supporting the project and your patience. We will post another update when we are actually shipping out products out of the warehouse.

If you have any questions, please email support@cmon.com

We know they've had the first container since April 18th. They just now got the others in? I thought things were being air-freighted. Exactly how long has CMoN sat on their hands? Why are they just now starting to sort everything?

Wow, so full of questions today.

@sinful hero either the second shipment wasn't air freighted or they finished production a lot later than they let on.

From Sodapop in the comments:

Because of the complexity of the project and the extensive kitting process, the factory was confused about the content. We had to send a representative to China to explain the entire process to avoid errors, but they should begin shipping soon direct from the factory to EU and APAC.

Was great that we had plenty of advance notice about that one, huh?

I'm hoping that my paint will cover a multitude of sins - it certainly does with other restic stuff. Of course, I'm more on the restic apologist side anyway - I like how tough and dense the material is, while still being lighter and much MUCH cheaper than metal, and allowing for proper undercuts that hard plastic doesn't. Yes, I know the wonderful things that Kingdom Death is doing with individual boob and arse pieces - but it's still very much the exception.

I just think that PVC can be executed well (some of sedition wars wave 1) or poorly (plenty of sedition wars wave 2). Jury's out until I have these in my hands - naked restic takes famously awful photos. Either way, I'll be adding some fun new scars cleaning this stuff.

@DaveC - Those look like rubber bands to me.

Also, Bioptic, I wouldn't be so dismissive of KD plastic. Currently it's one of few outliers where quality (read:detail) is concerned but for me it's certainly raised the bar on plastics. Maybe that's setting myself up for disappointment and, to be clear, I'm not expecting everything to be up to KD standards, but I'm not gonna give miniatures a pass so easily simply because they're not KD or from Wargames Factory.

Edit: Lots of miscommunication and/or misinformation between CMoN, SPM, and us backers it seems. Thought the Asia Pacific stuff had already been handled and that the other containers had been in CMoN's possession for awhile already.

I have no idea if I'm receiving a package or refund! SPMs communication is pathetic, CMON get back to you same or next day.

 Sinful Hero wrote:
We know they've had the first container since April 18th. They just now got the others in? I thought things were being air-freighted. Exactly how long has CMoN sat on their hands? Why are they just now starting to sort everything?

Wow, so full of questions today.

I think one of them got "customed" too.

I wonder what the market is going to look like after people receive their stuff. I am thinking best case is some pro-painters crank out some awesome looking stuff in the weeks immediately after receipt, and the eBay market responds with renewed interest.
I might keep my models NIB for a month or so just in case... at this point I am thinking of selling them and getting an airbrush.

Joyboozer wrote:
I have no idea if I'm receiving a package or refund! SPMs communication is pathetic, CMON get back to you same or next day.

One of their last couple updates(the one about confirming shipping info) mentioned no more refunds.

In update 87, pics were posted of some of the wip masters. Looking at Marie Claude, I'm not sure that the loss of detail is entirely from the material; that is to say, the final miniature might be a better translation from master to production model than previously thought.



Clearly much of the detail and pinstripes present on the render never made it to tooling. This is particularly noticeable on the back of the legs.

Interesting. Not sure how much good it does now, but at least we have some insight into the process.

I wonder if they left the detail off of the master knowing they couldn't cast it / it wouldn't come out in the cast? Why else would you leave off the detail when printing it?

@Dentry - no, I think Kingdom Death is handling hard plastic brilliantly, and is setting a standard, it was just a petty jibe that the style of the line has necessitated some of the "extremities" being made from quite a few pieces!

Hard plastic is clearly the way to go, it just costs a really quite extreme amount of money - more than Relic Knights had to fund an entire line, I think. With HIP, I think you either have to sell 50+ of them per customer (like Mantic's wargames), or in $50-$80 expansions like KD, so I'm sympathetic to when that doesn't fit the business model. I hope the prices start dropping a bit more as production in China expands, and Kickstarters will end up being less of a lottery...

So...what I'm getting is that shipping to Asia Pacific hasn't even started despite it supposedly starting in May

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I have no idea if I'm receiving a package or refund! SPMs communication is pathetic, CMON get back to you same or next day.

One of their last couple updates(the one about confirming shipping info) mentioned no more refunds.

Yeah, I was in before that but got no conformation.

Joyboozer wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
I have no idea if I'm receiving a package or refund! SPMs communication is pathetic, CMON get back to you same or next day.

One of their last couple updates(the one about confirming shipping info) mentioned no more refunds.

Yeah, I was in before that but got no conformation.

Then you're probably getting product.

Well at least Joyboozer got a reaction at first. I got none up to now and I asked for it in January! :(

Mine are going straight on ebay, before the flood and retail hit hopefully.

SeanDrake wrote:
Mine are going straight on ebay, before the flood and retail hit hopefully.

Just hoping to get your money back?

The game system is quite fun.

From the just launched XenoShyft Onslaught campaign by CMoN:

...we are currently shipping Kaosball, Zombicide Season 2 (second wave), and will begin shipping Relic Knights soon.

So, they're in the process of shipping Kaosball and Zombicide 2, but not yet Relic Knights. I don't know if shipping one campaign has an effect on the other... I'm sure CMoN would say it doesn't, but some effect seems likely.

Just thought it was interesting to note... seemingly, they'll want to have this one shipped before launching Zombicide 3.

I thought Z2 was done. Have all the non-USA gotten it yet?