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Relapse wrote:


I've never met anyone who cought the clap from not having sex with an infected person.

If only sex wasn't enjoyable, then people would only need to endure it for procreation. As it is enjoyable though people have an unfortunate tendency to indulge their 'baser' instincts on a regular basis. that is why abstinence doesn't work on anythign other than an individual basis.

I had a huge number of what would be described as risky encounters during my youth yet as I always used protection I have never once caught an STI (and I have even had a condom split at least 5 times). If you are careful it is unlikely that you will catch an STI.

Palindrome wrote:

 whembly wrote:
The problem also stems that it's REALLY hard to determine what bug is affecting you in a timely manner... so, your doctor may give you a FULL SPECTRUM of anti-viral/anti-biotic right away, while sending culture samples to the lab. It may take several hours to a couple of days for the culture to grow and be identified.

What this does is that it exposes the bugs and they inherently can develop resistent strains.

It takes 24-48 hours for N.gonorrhoeae to grow via conventional methods and a further 24-48 hours to get a confirmed ID and sensitivity pattern. Thats broadly the same as other pathogenic bacteria but there are methods which will given an ID in a much shorter timeframe

Doctors irresponsibly perscribing antimicrobials is a leading cause of drug resistance and any doctor who does give you a broad spectrum antimicrobial without having lab results in most cuircumstances is effectively negligent.

N.gonorrhoeae is usually susceptable to spectinomycin but it isn't licensed in the US so there options left for the rest of the world


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 Amaya wrote:


And this is why abstinence is a good idea folks.

Absintence has never worked so its not something that I would advocate, even if I was inclined to.

Really? I'm pretty sure not having sex is a surefire way to not get STDs. Its your own damn fault if you're sleeping around with people that are promiscuous. Learn some self control.

 Amaya wrote:

Really? I'm pretty sure not having sex is a surefire way to not get STDs. Its your own damn fault if you're sleeping around with people that are promiscuous. Learn some self control.

You don't understand human nature do you?

Palindrome wrote:

 Amaya wrote:

Really? I'm pretty sure not having sex is a surefire way to not get STDs. Its your own damn fault if you're sleeping around with people that are promiscuous. Learn some self control.

You don't understand human nature do you?

Yet asexuals exist in modern society

Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

Amaya wrote:
Really? I'm pretty sure not having sex is a surefire way to not get STDs. Its your own damn fault if you're sleeping around with people that are promiscuous. Learn some self control.

You don't understand human nature do you?

Yet asexuals exist in modern society

But they are a very small minority.

Yes they do, but in only in very small numbers. Individuals can choose to be asexual (true asexuals lack a sexual appetite but they account for about 1% of the population), but it has to be a personal choice. Even then it seems that quite a few of them fall off the wagon.

Palindrome wrote:
Yes they do, but in only in very small numbers. Individuals can choose to be asexual, but it has to be a personal choice.

You mean like ordination?

Even then it seems that quite a few of them fall off the wagon.

Because it's better than pork.

 AustonT wrote:
You mean like ordination?

Yes, but thats not a guarantee ( ), but also people who chose to be celibate for whatever reason,although I suspect that quite a few of them are simply asexual. I know a couple of people who have tried to be celibate and neither managed it past a year.

Basically promoting absintence as a realistic way to prevent STIs is a terrible idea as it simply doesn't work for the majortiy of the population.

Let's put it this way, abstinence works, but human nature kicks in and overrides abstinence most times assuring that STD's will always be with us and growing harder to treat, perhaps getting to the point where drugs are useless.

This has been a long time coming. As with any untreatable disease, you can take measures to prevent infection. Some of these include not having casual sex. If you have sex with people that you've gotten to know AND use protection, you're much less likely to contract anything nasty.

They aren't growing harder to treat any more than other bacterial infections. If you want something to be worried about I would pick TB which is becoming worryingly resistant and unlike gonorrhea is likely to actually kill you.

In fact STIs as a whole are becoming easier to treat as resistance is fairly uncommon and as screening (and vaccination) becomes more widespread there is less chance of transmission. The only STI that people need to truly fear is HIV and its only a matter of time before that is preventable/curable as well.




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Da Boss wrote:
As with any untreatable disease....

Gonorrhea is treatable.

Palindrome wrote:
They aren't growing harder to treat any more than other bacterial infections. If you want something to be worried about I would pick TB which is becoming worryingly resistant and unlike gonorrhea is likely to actually kill you.

In fact STIs as a whole are becoming easier to treat as resistance is fairly uncommon and as screening (and vaccination) becomes more widespread there is less chance of transmission. The only STI that people need to truly fear is HIV and its only a matter of time before that is preventable/curable as well.




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Da Boss wrote:
As with any untreatable disease....

Gonorrhea is treatable.

According to medical websites, you're wrong about it being non fatal and growing easier to treat.

http://www.pamf.org/teen/sex/std/std/gonorrhea.html

Palindrome: If gonorrhea becomes resistant to the drugs we have for it, is it not then untreatable?

And I've experienced first hand what you're saying about TB- a student of mine was diagnosed with a nasty strain of it a couple of years ago and we all had to be tested. Slightly un-nerving, because you usually don't hear of it outside of the third world these days.

Da Boss wrote:
Palindrome: If gonorrhea becomes resistant to the drugs we have for it, is it not then untreatable?

We just make a new drug which gonorrhoea isn't resistant to.

There's probably a drug company working on it now.

Palindrome wrote:

 Amaya wrote:

Really? I'm pretty sure not having sex is a surefire way to not get STDs. Its your own damn fault if you're sleeping around with people that are promiscuous. Learn some self control.

You don't understand human nature do you?

Human nature is animalistic and violent. If you're such a fan of human nature don't cry when someone breaks into your house, kills you and rapes your wife.

We're animals with brains, use them or lose them. You know how avoid STDs, if you're too thick to do so I don't really care if your genitals rot.

 Amaya wrote:

Palindrome wrote:

 Amaya wrote:

Really? I'm pretty sure not having sex is a surefire way to not get STDs. Its your own damn fault if you're sleeping around with people that are promiscuous. Learn some self control.

You don't understand human nature do you?

Human nature is animalistic and violent. If you're such a fan of human nature don't cry when someone breaks into your house, kills you and rapes your wife.

We're animals with brains, use them or lose them. You know how avoid STDs, if you're too thick to do so I don't really care if your genitals rot.

You should, this is a communal species and the propagation and spread of disease will directly effect you in numerous ways. That said, I love how much the warhammer forum preaches harsh abstinence .

Is that the best argument you can come up with Shuma? That's really pathetic, even for you.




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Palindrome wrote:

Relapse wrote:


I've never met anyone who cought the clap from not having sex with an infected person.

If only sex wasn't enjoyable, then people would only need to endure it for procreation. As it is enjoyable though people have an unfortunate tendency to indulge their 'baser' instincts on a regular basis. that is why abstinence doesn't work on anythign other than an individual basis.

Drinking is enjoyable. Does that excuse getting falling the feth out drunk constantly excusable?
Getting high is enjoyable. Does that excuse getting blown out of your mind?
Smoking is enjoyable. Does that excuse destroying your lungs?
Eating is enjoyable. Does that excuse becoming a corpulent Hutt?
Some people find fighting enjoyable. Does that excuse jumping every other person you see?

Lacking personal responsibility and common sense does not excuse someone. People need to own up to what they've done and stop placing the blame on their 'base needs'.

Is that the best argument you can come up with Shuma? That's really pathetic, even for you.

I gave it what it was worth. You're not exactly following good trains of logic and this thread has been daft from page one.


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 Amaya wrote:
Is that the best argument you can come up with Shuma? That's really pathetic, even for you.




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Palindrome wrote:

Relapse wrote:


I've never met anyone who cought the clap from not having sex with an infected person.

If only sex wasn't enjoyable, then people would only need to endure it for procreation. As it is enjoyable though people have an unfortunate tendency to indulge their 'baser' instincts on a regular basis. that is why abstinence doesn't work on anythign other than an individual basis.

Drinking is enjoyable. Does that excuse getting falling the feth out drunk constantly excusable?
Getting high is enjoyable. Does that excuse getting blown out of your mind?
Smoking is enjoyable. Does that excuse destroying your lungs?
Eating is enjoyable. Does that excuse becoming a corpulent Hutt?
Some people find fighting enjoyable. Does that excuse jumping every other person you see?

Lacking personal responsibility and common sense does not excuse someone. People need to own up to what they've done and stop placing the blame on their 'base needs'.

I think you need to actually look at the world for how it really is and not how you really, really, really wish it was. Until you try that out the policies you advocate won't amount to much (as advocating "responsibility" historically hasn't).

I don't care if the "policies" work or not because regardless humanity will continue to exist. Whether or not it moves forward as species is debatable, as is whether or not we're better than we were when our ancestors were living in caves (and I don't think we are).

Continuing to make excuses for people being stupid is unacceptable. Claiming it is 'reality' is both idiotic and especially hypocritical. Rape is reality. War is reality. Suffering is reality. Do you really want to accept all of that and attempt to do nothing about? Oh wait, the typical person does (at least I hope so) and bleeding heart liberals really claim to do...so what gives? Is this pick and choose what parts of 'base needs' we like and dislike?

Curing an illness is great, preventing it is better. I don't think you have the capacity to comprehend that in the slightest though, as you're a typical egotistical prick who talks down to everyone and quits any argument you're losing in half a heartbeat.

Relapse wrote:


According to medical websites, you're wrong about it being non fatal and growing easier to treat.

http://www.pamf.org/teen/sex/std/std/gonorrhea.html

I said that STIs were becoming easier to treat, largely due to improved screening methods. Gonorrhoea can kill you, its just extremely unlikely to do so unless you are immunosuppressed.


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 Amaya wrote:


We're animals with brains, use them or lose them. You know how avoid STDs, if you're too thick to do so I don't really care if your genitals rot.

I think thats its time that you climbed down from your ivory tower.

I love this gak. You openly claim people have no self control over their sexual urges and then expect them to make competent decisions in politics that will affect the lives of others. These gits can't even control their own lives or desires. Are you daft or just gaming?
If the average person is nothing more than a dumb beast who can't control their urges why the hell should they have the same say in government as someone who can?

 Amaya wrote:
I love this gak. You openly claim people have no self control over their sexual urges and then expect them to make competent decisions in politics that will affect the lives of others. These gits can't even control their own lives or desires. Are you daft or just gaming?
If the average person is nothing more than a dumb beast who can't control their urges why the hell should they have the same say in government as someone who can?

Absintence doesn't work. Thats all I need to say on this matter.

You can say that people should know better all you want but that isn't reflected in the real world and we always need to work in the real world.

I still want to know why this idiotic population that can't keep a lid on their overpowering sexual urges has the right to vote. I'm surprised they have time to do anything other than clawing at each other voraciously in heat.


All you do is keep making excuses for human actions. If you can excuse sexual irresponsibility you can excuse many other 'minor' trespasses as well simply because people don't have the self control to avoid doing something they shouldn't. Then you expect someone else to foot the bill because you have the clap.

 Amaya wrote:
I still want to know why this idiotic population that can't keep a lid on their overpowering sexual urges has the right to vote. I'm surprised they have time to do anything other than clawing at each other voraciously in heat.


All you do is keep making excuses for human actions. If you can excuse sexual irresponsibility you can excuse many other 'minor' trespasses as well simply because people don't have the self control to avoid doing something they shouldn't. Then you expect someone else to foot the bill because you have the clap.

I am not making excuses for anyone, I am simply acknowledging reality. You should also be asking why the idiotic population who can't restrain the urge to overeat is allowed to vote. It is simply human nature which is an extremely powerful force which can't be magiced away by wishful thinking.

By all means educate and inform but don't expect people to be saints.

The thing that is more than a tad worrisome, at least according to this article, is there seems to be almost half again as many unreported cases.
An ER attendant told me of a man that was brought in for a knife wound that was found to have a plastic bag wrapped around his junk to catch the discharge caused by an STD.
Another person on a construction site I worked at told my friends and myself that something called Dr. Tischner's ointment was just the thing to put on after sex to prevent STDs.
I wonder how many other home remedies there are out there

 Amaya wrote:
I still want to know why this idiotic population that can't keep a lid on their overpowering sexual urges has the right to vote. I'm surprised they have time to do anything other than clawing at each other voraciously in heat.


All you do is keep making excuses for human actions. If you can excuse sexual irresponsibility you can excuse many other 'minor' trespasses as well simply because people don't have the self control to avoid doing something they shouldn't. Then you expect someone else to foot the bill because you have the clap.

Arguments like that are why catholic policies in africa led directly to an exploding AIDS epidemic, one of the most costly (because we know how much you care about money apparently) disease epidemics in the history of mankind. Thanks.

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A Town Called Malus wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Palindrome: If gonorrhea becomes resistant to the drugs we have for it, is it not then untreatable?

We just make a new drug which gonorrhoea isn't resistant to.

There's probably a drug company working on it now.

Not sure if serious....

You did read the article right? Because it explains pretty clearly that this isnt being done, and why its so difficult (coming up with a new, effective, cost-efficient drug is a lot harder than you think).

Revenent Reiko wrote:

A Town Called Malus wrote:

Da Boss wrote:Palindrome: If gonorrhea becomes resistant to the drugs we have for it, is it not then untreatable?

We just make a new drug which gonorrhoea isn't resistant to.

There's probably a drug company working on it now.

Not sure if serious....

You did read the article right? Because it explains pretty clearly that this isnt being done, and why its so difficult (coming up with a new, effective, cost-efficient drug is a lot harder than you think).

Not sure if you did, either.

Researchers are actively looking for adequate treatment options for this highly contagious disease, according to Bolan.

“There is one promising treatment in the pipeline,” she says, adding that researchers are also looking at new combinations of existing drugs.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Not sure if you did, either.

Researchers are actively looking for adequate treatment options for this highly contagious disease, according to Bolan.

“There is one promising treatment in the pipeline,” she says, adding that researchers are also looking at new combinations of existing drugs.

They are now as a direct result of this issue. The way you made your first statement made it sound like they have been doing so for ages, this isnt the case. If i read it the wrong way, ill hold my hands up, was just looking to enlighten if not....but not in exaclty the most polite way, sorry :*(

O, and 'one promising treatment' means nothing. To develope a new drug, millions of analogues are tried, the fact that one of them has gotten to a certain stage of testing means nothing at all. Even when it gets to human testing theres no certainty in whether or not the drug will be produced.

EDIT: spelling, minor alterations to text

This isn't a very good policy, long term however. There are only so many drugs we can develop, and new drugs may have more harmful side effects or be less effective than the original. The bacteria can still develop resistance to any new drug if the root cause (over prescription of antibiotics and people not finishing out antibiotic courses) is not tackled.

Making the drugs free is one way to encourage this, though obviously it has the downside of encouraging risky behaviour because people can get it "sorted out" for no cost. It's a tricky one. At the end of the day the drive to reproduce is pretty fundamental to humanity, and despising people for giving in to it is pretty pointless.

But whatever gets you through the day.