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I was working outside and knicked my knee.. blood was rivuletting down my legs and I shouted "BLOOD! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GAWD!". Scared the crap outta my two boyz (they knew what I was doing )
c'mon... fess up... you know you did this at one point in your life.
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Atheist, and getting more evidence for it each time I attend any religious event.
It's goign to cause problems when I get called into court, because I refuse to swear on the ramblings of a lunatic text that simultaneously takes two opposing views on what is morally correct.
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poda_t wrote:Atheist, and getting more evidence for it each time I attend any religious event.
It's goign to cause problems when I get called into court, because I refuse to swear on the ramblings of a lunatic text that simultaneously takes two opposing views on what is morally correct.
I think swearing on the bible is merely a tradition now, plenty of people don't take the oath seriously.
Ask yourself: have you rated a gallery image today?
Lots of people take oaths seriously. Some religions specifically forbid taking them, too.
poda_t wrote:Atheist, and getting more evidence for it each time I attend any religious event.
It's goign to cause problems when I get called into court, because I refuse to swear on the ramblings of a lunatic text that simultaneously takes two opposing views on what is morally correct.
In the US you can Affirm instead. You should certainly be able to do it in Canada, too, since the right to do so in place of swearing an oath has existed in English law since 1695.
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youbedead wrote:But the argument of "what created the thing that created the universe?" can also be applied to God or Gods.
To God it cannot be applied, because outside of our reality there is no sense of time or timeline... God simply is.
Yeah, cause that doesn't sound implausible at all...
As I said before the same thing applies to the big bang, before there was a universe there was no space and therefore there is no time. The 'before' the universe period didn't exist because the concept of time didn't exist. Time itself began with the big bang
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MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
Mannahnin wrote:Lots of people take oaths seriously. Some religions specifically forbid taking them, too.
poda_t wrote:Atheist, and getting more evidence for it each time I attend any religious event.
It's goign to cause problems when I get called into court, because I refuse to swear on the ramblings of a lunatic text that simultaneously takes two opposing views on what is morally correct.
In the US you can Affirm instead. You should certainly be able to do it in Canada, too, since the right to do so in place of swearing an oath has existed in English law since 1695.
you'd think and or hope so. I've been working my job well enough for the past 6 years. I go in and see the clerk at the counter when I'm trying to file stuff, and she's been aroudn for 6 months... I'm trying to tell her she needs to certify the order, she's telling me orders don't get certified. Ignore the fact that I've been having orders certified for the past 6 years. I've also seen clerks insist that one needs to swear an affidavit on the bible. And proceed to insist on it after every person in the lineup has verified that you can in fact also use other religious texts. 20 minutes and a supervisor later, the quran was produced from the shelf. The one that held the bible there..... we had another judge tell our client with chronic pain to go see a chinese accupuncturist, because, he had his back pain solved after one visit.............. Sure, we have the justice system, that took centuries of practice and great minds to pull together and build up, but it only takes one iddiot to invalidate all the effort.
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16 successful trades as a seller;
To glimpse the future, you must look to the past and understand it. Names may change, but human behavior repeats itself. Prophetic insight is nothing more than profound hindsight.
It doesn't matter how bloody far the apple falls from the tree. If the apple fell off of a Granny Smith, that apple is going to grow into a Granny bloody Smith. The only difference is whether that apple grows in the shade of the tree it fell from.
Mannahnin wrote:Lots of people take oaths seriously. Some religions specifically forbid taking them, too.
poda_t wrote:Atheist, and getting more evidence for it each time I attend any religious event.
It's goign to cause problems when I get called into court, because I refuse to swear on the ramblings of a lunatic text that simultaneously takes two opposing views on what is morally correct.
In the US you can Affirm instead. You should certainly be able to do it in Canada, too, since the right to do so in place of swearing an oath has existed in English law since 1695.
you'd think and or hope so. I've been working my job well enough for the past 6 years. I go in and see the clerk at the counter when I'm trying to file stuff, and she's been aroudn for 6 months... I'm trying to tell her she needs to certify the order, she's telling me orders don't get certified. Ignore the fact that I've been having orders certified for the past 6 years. I've also seen clerks insist that one needs to swear an affidavit on the bible. And proceed to insist on it after every person in the lineup has verified that you can in fact also use other religious texts. 20 minutes and a supervisor later, the quran was produced from the shelf. The one that held the bible there..... we had another judge tell our client with chronic pain to go see a chinese accupuncturist, because, he had his back pain solved after one visit.............. Sure, we have the justice system, that took centuries of practice and great minds to pull together and build up, but it only takes one idiot to invalidate all the effort.
I would argue it takes at least twelves idiots, depending on which idiot you blame.
youbedead wrote:But the argument of "what created the thing that created the universe?" can also be applied to God or Gods.
To God it cannot be applied, because outside of our reality there is no sense of time or timeline... God simply is.
This could be one of the worst arguments ever applied. "God simply is." does not get a point across at all. You have not shown me any evidence or proof. He is simply there? No thanks.
walker90234 wrote:@deadwinter: to be honest, it actually cannot be applied to a god; I had this problem for a number of years, but as people have stated, a God who created time by definition resides outside of time; as such there is no need for it to have a beginning because it doesn't function under the 'time-laws' of our universe.
Why can it not be applied to god? If God were to exist, Time would have had to be in place before he was brought in to being. Nothing can exist without time, not even your god.
youbedead wrote:But the argument of "what created the thing that created the universe?" can also be applied to God or Gods.
To God it cannot be applied, because outside of our reality there is no sense of time or timeline... God simply is.
This could be one of the worst arguments ever applied. "God simply is." does not get a point across at all. You have not shown me any evidence or proof. He is simply there? No thanks.
walker90234 wrote:@deadwinter: to be honest, it actually cannot be applied to a god; I had this problem for a number of years, but as people have stated, a God who created time by definition resides outside of time; as such there is no need for it to have a beginning because it doesn't function under the 'time-laws' of our universe.
Why can it not be applied to god? If God were to exist, Time would have had to be in place before he was brought in to being. Nothing can exist without time, not even your god.
Because time=space if you make the assumption that god created space then it follows he created time. It is as I have said repeatedly the exact same argument for why there need not be anything before the big bang space=time, no space no time
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MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
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youbedead wrote:But the argument of "what created the thing that created the universe?" can also be applied to God or Gods.
To God it cannot be applied, because outside of our reality there is no sense of time or timeline... God simply is.
This could be one of the worst arguments ever applied. "God simply is." does not get a point across at all. You have not shown me any evidence or proof. He is simply there? No thanks.
[according to Christianity as I understand it]
God created time and he exists outside of it. There is no sense of time outside of what we know as reality. There is no argument here. God does not exist in what we understand time to be and thus does not have a beginning nor an end, and needs no creator to exist.
Also, (this kind of is cheap to include in a discussion but...) God did not create us to understand his complexity and nature, the Bible says no one truly understands God.
Also Dogma, please elaborate. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying that I don't understand how you come to that conclusion. I see it as a chain of dominoes, where there has to be a beginning to the chain, yet you could set them up forever and have a chain that goes on forever - starting when you set the off.
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poda_t wrote:Atheist, and getting more evidence for it each time I attend any religious event.
It's goign to cause problems when I get called into court, because I refuse to swear on the ramblings of a lunatic text that simultaneously takes two opposing views on what is morally correct.
In Australia they give you the option of swearing on the bible, or making a declaration.
Most people just go with the bible one because it's shorter and easier.
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Dreadwinter wrote:
This could be one of the worst arguments ever applied. "God simply is." does not get a point across at all. You have not shown me any evidence or proof. He is simply there? No thanks.
Show me evidence or proof.
Of anything.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
I'm both selfish and rational. I'm scheming, secretive and manipulative; I use knowledge as a tool for personal gain, and in turn obtaining more knowledge. At best, I am mysterious and stealthy; at worst, I am distrustful and opportunistic.
d-usa wrote:So is page 5 the official point of where we switched from:
Hi, my name is [name] and I am [religion/faith/creed/nothing].
To:
Hi, you are wrong.
I was just about to say i was quite proud
H.B.M.C. wrote:
"Balance, playtesting - a casual gamer craves not these things!" - Yoda, a casual gamer.
Three things matter in marksmanship -
location, location, location
MagickalMemories wrote:How about making another fist?
One can be, "Da Fist uv Mork" and the second can be, "Da Uvver Fist uv Mork."
Make a third, and it can be, "Da Uvver Uvver Fist uv Mork"
Eric
xxx wrote:This could be one of the worst arguments ever applied. "God simply is." does not get a point across at all. You have not shown me any evidence or proof. He is simply there? No thanks.
Show me evidence or proof.
Of anything.
Could we not make this another unending debate thread? It's cool if people want to explain why they believe that they believe, but this thread was a lot more friendly and novel before people started calling each other out and picking fights.
If we could get it back on track that'd be great, thanks.
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The Bringer wrote:
Also Dogma, please elaborate. I'm not saying you're wrong I'm just saying that I don't understand how you come to that conclusion. I see it as a chain of dominoes, where there has to be a beginning to the chain, yet you could set them up forever and have a chain that goes on forever - starting when you set the off.
Well, my immediate contention would be that its impossible for absolute nothingness to exist, and that when we use the term "nothing" we're generally doing so relatively. For example, if I say there is nothing in a box I mean "nothing relevant" as even an "empty box contains air. Similarly, I generally have found that when people say there was nothing before the universe as we know it existed, they really mean "Nothing like the universe as we know it." which is actually a reasonable position to take for a number of reasons.
But, to elaborate, a beginning is also an end to whatever state existed prior to the beginning. To use your domino analogy there was once a time when there were no dominoes, and once the first domino appeared, or began to exist, the time when there were no dominoes ended. This is important because it demonstrates that no series of events, or state of being, can truly be infinite as we have already introduced a bound (the beginning/end event), and established that there exist conditions which disrupt the "normal" functioning of reality.
A lot of people find this confusing, which is fair because "infinite" is actually a pretty difficult concept, but the basic idea is that once you introduce a single end point when discussing the universe as a whole it becomes logically impossible for the universe, or anything else, to go on forever.
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