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 kaiohx wrote:

Makaleth wrote:Ouch, $25 per arm... for the plastic.
I really like these arms, but was hoping to get a couple. At that price I can only really get 1.

Yea they are really pricey for plastic alternate arms. $15 would be been a bit more reasonable since the idea is to entice people to pledge more and more. Looking back at it, those who want this stuff at a sort of reasonable price better pledge this kickstarter now, because its been stated these prices are only for this promotion. They will go up, which kind of scares me since if you look at it by the numbers, its upwards on GW kind of prices. I hope I'm wrong and that we could possibly see an 'affordable' mass-model tabletop game with excellent plastic minatures.


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NoseGoblin wrote:Your Mortis may need some love

Ohhhh, good call! Though for me personally, the mortis isn't quite as neat as the crusader, unless there will be a way to get extra armor to bulk him out. I'm curious what the Gabriel will look like in time. Sounds more advanced than the crusader or mortis.

I posted this into the comments, but I should state it here as well, as I am sure there are others that would love to see a lower price.

I would hope that you can understand that everything costs more money than you think when dealing with hard tooling. The average cost for one of these molds will be $12-16K I will need to sell 640 units of each one before I see a penny, and that’s at retail. When these hit the supply chain I will need to sell double that amount.
I have done the best that I can and stretched as far as I can. It works for you or it does not. I cannot go any lower. You are getting a great kit with loads of accessories for a quarter the price of the resin kits. And 1/5 to 1/6 the price of Forgeworld. If you cannot find value in that then I'm not sure what I can do?

I look at the bottom line and how many units will move at what margin. The main chassis is used with all five variants; therefore I can amortize the costs over a larger range of product. If I was trying to amortize 100k in a single kit release then the retail would be closer to $200+ per kit.

The weapon arms, being more of an accessory until the main variant kits is released… IF…. they are released need to be amortized with a much more limited view. If I had all five variants already in production I could see offering them at a lower price, but there are no assurances as of today that this will happen anytime soon. If the Kickstarter were to end today at its current funding level then my available capital for the next releases would be ZERO and likely in the negative.

I am not a gambling man and do not wish to gamble my company on what ifs, and It should haves. I have to price according to the risks and costs to produce an item. Long story short, there are a lot of mitigating factors that determine cost. I don’t pretend to know the magic formula for determining costs, but I do have several factors that I weigh against each time I need to visit this subject.

I agree they seem pricey. But having looked at getting items put into production with injection molding in the past, what NoseGoblin is saying is 100 percent true. Generally to break even on an injection mold you need to sell 1000 sprues or more. He currently has 461 crusaders 'sold' on his kickstarter.

Being options, the arms will not sell to everyone. They will probably each sell to around 5 to 10 percent of the folks who purchase a Leviathan. This may be even smaller given that he has already included a third arm to everyone if the kickstarter hits 100k.

If suddenly he gets 1000s more backers, then things might change. But as I see it now, he's streching the money from the backing as far as he reasonably can, which yes means higher prices on options that only a few will choose.

BTW if I can I'll be backing you for at least a crusader, sadly I threw too much money at the reaper kickstarter to guarantee that.

I am not a gambling man and do not wish to gamble my company on what ifs, and It should haves.

And nor should you have to.

Thanks for explaining that, and hope people read your words and understand where you are coming from.

Seems completely reasonable to me - I'm still just thrilled to be able to throw in for a Leviathan at 1/4 of the price , and far from worried about the price of some optional extras!

I might get a pair of Novas and a pair of HELs. Thats another 100+p&p pledge. But that's stretching what I can manage, given that there might be HEAVY TROOPERS in there somewhere, and that I realy realy realy like to pledge to get additional Shadokesh promo-pairs (to make a unit).

Already pledged 330 USD, and that's more than I usually spend a "normal month" on pewter/residic/plastic -crack...

I think 25 an arm is a steal. Compare to the 45+ dollars an arm you pay for a Warhound arm (which for all intents and purposes, appears to be less mass than these add ons). They are plastic with a hard mount/unmount option already built in too--I'm sold.

He added a "Buy 3, get the 4th free!" option. So, if you want 4 arms, it's $75.

For the resin 15mm scale Leviathan, extra arms were $20 with no free 4th. Meaning 4 arms were $80, more than these. And I bought tons and it was worth every penny.

And these look freaking fantastic! As a limited Kickstarter reward... Imo it's perfect. 4 extra arms for less than a Leviathan, 5 for about the same price.

GW and every company has to do similarly. Contemptor weapons are I believe the same percentage of the kit cost.

That combo cannon Grendel arm... Just Wow

The only thing I wonder is, I guess each arm is it's own mold? Wondering if the mold will need to be remade when the other variants hit.

So yeah... Awesome sauce!

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I think 25 an arm is a steal. Compare to the 45+ dollars an arm you pay for a reaver arm (which for all intents and purposes, appears to be less mass than these add ons). They are plastic with a hard mount/unmount option already built in too--I'm sold.

$45 for a Reaver arm? Maybe if you got lucky on ebay. Currently that's about how much a Warhound weapon costs. I have to say that the quick-change arms are the on thing that sets this project ahead of the rest. It's also one of the reasons I prefer my armorcast titans over my Forgeworld ones.

I likely missed them somewhere but are there pics of the new weapon arms floating around?

Last page IronicSilence

Unless you mean resin pictures of them then I have no idea

 cuda1179 wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
I think 25 an arm is a steal. Compare to the 45+ dollars an arm you pay for a reaver arm (which for all intents and purposes, appears to be less mass than these add ons). They are plastic with a hard mount/unmount option already built in too--I'm sold.

$45 for a Reaver arm? Maybe if you got lucky on ebay. Currently that's about how much a Warhound weapon costs. I have to say that the quick-change arms are the on thing that sets this project ahead of the rest. It's also one of the reasons I prefer my armorcast titans over my Forgeworld ones.

Yeah, meant Warhound--typed Reaver--good catch .

Finally got my monies together and I'm in for a leviathan.
Also, point your Ork friends towards this kickstarter - $25 for a new weapon system for their stompas is a decent deal - maybe they'll piggyback on your pledge if they don't want to start their own...

Ooh I do like those arms, will have to get some now for sure! And this change in shipping costs has me more confused than ever, we pay a $15 flat rate and then add 50% of the already listed shipping price for each item we want am I correct? Well he mentioned something about a calculator at the end of the campaign so I will let that do all the thinking for me I guess.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Last page IronicSilence

Unless you mean resin pictures of them then I have no idea

ah hell

Thats what I get for posting before breakfast...


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Alright after looking over the pics, it looks like there are a solid 6 options...I like the buy 3 get the 4th free deal...I'd like a buy them all deal even more. This kick starter is loaded with shut up and take my money!

I'm not a fan of the Mauler so I'm happy with the buy 3 get one free. That's all the additional weapons I wanted

Holy crap i missed out on a lot while i was asleep!

Those weapons are awesome and i would be all over them were i not holding out for the 15mm crusader.

Im right in thinking these arms are just for the 28mm version yeah?


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Crap, having looked at all the weapons im thinking that i'll buy them anyway and use them as weapons for my AdMech tanks.


Does anyone have any inkling as to what the 15mm is gonna cost?

Yes those are for the 28mm version. The 15mm version will have it's own tooling and molds to do.

I've been holding out to see if we reach a Mortis to up my pledge as I'd love to have one of those also.
If we had a ball park figure for the cost of a Mortis in this Kickstarter, I could budget accordingly.

I have very limited amounts of spending money due to medical bills unfortunately, but I want to give what I can for this Kickstarter.

I would be very surprised indeed if the Mortis wasnt priced the same as a crusader.

Anyone complaining about the price point of $25 needs to seriously rethink their position. Have you looked at comparable "giant robot" arm prices? A certain British company charges £36.00 (appx $57 USD) plus shipping for a less modular, less posable version. Still think $25 is unreasonable? $15 is wishful thinking and ignores the money and effort poured into these.

I will definitely be pledging for these alternate weapons and a Mortis if it becomes available! Probably left and right sets- 2 Hel cannons anyone? RAWR!

Question on the Beowulf/Grendel- It looks like the longer bore is just an additional barrel insert, so would it be possible to simply not glue it in and have it able to act as either?

Given the fact that you can change them with such relative ease, $25 is a reasonable price. No complaints from me!

Hmmmm...keep my pledge at 2 Crusaders, or change it to 1 Crusader, a Nova cannon, mauler claw, and box of troops...guess the future pledges and stretches reached will have to determine that for me.

Not only is 25$ affordable compared to another company, the platform these will go on is also a lot more affordable. I think someone earlier mentioned awesome sauce?

 jmurph wrote:
Anyone complaining about the price point of $25 needs to seriously rethink their position. Have you looked at comparable "giant robot" arm prices? A certain British company charges £36.00 (appx $57 USD) plus shipping for a less modular, less posable version. Still think $25 is unreasonable? $15 is wishful thinking and ignores the money and effort poured into these.

Quoted for truth....25 bucks for a giant robot arm is a steal in my book. 15 bucks would only be likely for the 15mm version

Man, I am jealous of you Leviathan pledgers. Mark pulled out all the stops with your stretches! And rightfully so. Hoping it picks up and we get Eisenmern command or APC after eclipsing 100K. Certainly got a nice bump this morning after the weapon announcement!

I doubt he can due to logistics, but if the 100k free Vulcan became 100k free Any arm... Wow. But like I said, I really don't see that being feasible. 4 for the price of 3 is already sweet.

So, yeah... Totally jealous!

 RiTides wrote:
Man, I am jealous of you Leviathan pledgers. Mark pulled out all the stops with your stretches! And rightfully so. Hoping it picks up and we get Eisenmern command or APC after eclipsing 100K. Certainly got a nice bump this morning after the weapon announcement!

I doubt he can due to logistics, but if the 100k free Vulcan became 100k free Any arm... Wow. But like I said, I really don't see that being feasible. 4 for the price of 3 is already sweet.

So, yeah... Totally jealous!

All it takes is a simple pledge increase and you can come to the dark side....we have titans with cookies

Man the large cannon and chainsaw mech is aaaaawesome.

I noticed though the chainsaw on the model appears longer??

 ironicsilence wrote:
All it takes is a simple pledge increase and you can come to the dark side....we have titans with cookies

Thing is, I have 10 of the 5.5" tall resin ones so I'm already on the dark side. But I envy your sweet weapons!

Also very happy with the current infantry offerings

Mark said in the comments on the blog that he'll be simplifying international shipping this afternoon, just FYI.

I can't believe you bought 10 of those! I was pushing it getting one at the time + the claw arm, coolers and alt leaning pistons.

If only the Powerball would come up just once

Well now we know where all those limited edition crusaders went too. I was about to get one but they must have already been sent to RiTides house!

I'm grabbing a Leviathan Crusader. At least one but my entire body is calling out for two. I figure one running a Vulkan/CCW and one running a pair of Nova Cannons. Then calling them a pair of Warhounds for apocalypse gaming. Turbolaser destroyer (nova cannons) in the backfield, Megabolter/CCW up front and nasty.

So minimum I'm in for Crusader and two arms. It's looking like I'm gonna be getting two if I can squeeze a little extra cash out.

Congrats on an already very successful kickstarter!

I made some changes to the shipping fees so that it is a bit more international friendly on the pocket book.

Free or gift items are no longer added to the shipping totals! and the per box price has been lowered!

The international shipping has already been discounted from its true cost (we removed roughly the cost to ship within the USA, so you are getting the same value as the domestic backers)



I hope and plan on adding more goodies to the mix as the project progresses; this begs the question of how to deal with shipping fees… Not easy answers to a rather simple question as international shipment are based on package volume and weight. Without a shopping cart, it becomes difficult to properly estimate these fees.



When combining orders, use the base shipping cost of $15,00 and add the shipping cost of each box.



Large boxes for the Leviathans and the (yet to be released APC) are +$6.00 per box.



Medium sized boxes such as the (yet to be released 15mm scale Leviathans) are +$3.00 per box



Small box items such as the Stormtroopers, and their accessories as well as any weapon upgrades for your Leviathan are +2.00 per box.



There is no charge (addition) to the shipping costs for items that are offered as gifts in the stretch goals!



Example: You want a Leviathan Crusader (Ready for Serious Stompin!) and a 20 man box of Stormtroopers (Boots on the ground). There are two possible stretch goals that you may unlock as well. The Crusader is +$6.00 shipping, the Stormtroopers are +$2.00 shipping ($15,00 base cost +$6,00 for the Leviathan + $2.00 for the Stormtroopers = $23.00 total shipping. The stretch goals for the stormtrooper and Leviathan that have free gift items are NOT added to you shipping fees.