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I guess we'll call it 'Mongoose Syndrome' ie. find something everyone likes, and release it in a scale that's incompatible with everything else.

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's not that much of a deal.

But I wonder why they didn't opt to just call it a 30mm or 32mm game or something. There've been quite a few of those who emphasize slightly larger, slightly more detailed miniatures as a sales-point actually (Dust, Anastyr, Wrath of Kings, Kingdom Death, etc... ).

It seems unlikely that they didn't expect people to look at the miniatures with an eyes towards using them elsewhere when they placed the "28mm" front and center like that in their advertising. I was similarly looking forward to their more sci-fi "28mm" they have planned for their Firestorm-verse. It will be interesting to see how those will turn out.

It kinda is, for some of us at least. I had an eye to buy a bunch of them to use as cool-looking steampunk/colonial-ish IG first, Dystopian Dudes second. Dust's figures aren't exactly bigger either. They're more truescale than GW, but not a lot bigger to be incompatible.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess we'll call it 'Mongoose Syndrome' ie. find something everyone likes, and release it in a scale that's incompatible with everything else.

What did Mongoose release?

If I recall correctly, didn't they release a new naval game that uses an unconventional scale incompatible with other ranges out there?

Mongoose is planning to relaunch their Victory at Sea game. In addition they want to support it with a dedicated miniatures line.
Most naval gamers prefer 1/6000, 1/3000 or 1/ 2400.
See: http://www.adpublishing.de/html/scales.html

Mongoose choose 1/1800.
See: http://blog.mongoosepublishing.co.uk/?cat=12

On the plus side, the armored vehicles for DL might be equally big and chunky, which in general goes well with 40k, whereas a true-scale 28mm might well be too dainty.

Mongoose also say that Judge Dredd is 28mm.



Nowhere near as bad as the DL stuff, but if you wanted to run Judges as arbites you might get the Inquisition asking how they grew bigger than marines

Also means that a lot of the old GW stuff (including their Dredd line) that I was planning to use as perps suddenly become juves




And yes, this does mean that DL vehicles may be just right

Yeah I was buzzed about Gangs of Mega City 1 when it released and got the box game and some sky surfers and was really let down by the scaling of the line. I dodged the Mongoose KS on that basis.

Whereas I went large on the KS as I was blissfully unaware of it

I shall use mine as a race of super-men! Muahahahaa

They are from a low gravity world ;P

odinfellhammer wrote:
They are from a low gravity world ;P

When I get my Britannia starter set I'll try to find the time to post a comparison of them against GW's Praetorians and my kilted highlanders (Victoria Lamb parts). The kilted ones are already larger than the GW originals. Whatever the size difference I WILL have Colonel MacDonald and his armoured bathchair in my army! Counts as Rough Rider or Sentinel?

As for the infantry..selective inbreeding to make Stormtroopers!

 monkeytroll wrote:


Nowhere near as bad as the DL stuff, but if you wanted to run Judges as arbites you might get the Inquisition asking how they grew bigger than marines

But for that matter the Inquisition should be asking how Guardsmen got bigger than marines........I wouldn't play marines with my IG unless I true scaled them, and I don't even play Catachans or Cadians.



For the Dystopian stuff, I see nothing wrong with the miniatures being 40mm, so as long as they didn't advertise them as 28mm.

 Sabotage! wrote:


For the Dystopian stuff, I see nothing wrong with the miniatures being 40mm, so as long as they didn't advertise them as 28mm.

That is the point. They made a fairly big deal out of advertising it as a 28mm game. Arguably, in the context of Spartan Games, their intend might simply have been to say "hey look, we're not doing another Dystopian Wars, Firestorm Armada, etc..-fleet game". But they put "28mm" all over their website, the promotional mails, etc., etc..

Zweischneid wrote:It's not that much of a deal.

scipio.au wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
It's not that much of a deal.

But I wonder why they didn't opt to just call it a 30mm or 32mm game or something. There've been quite a few of those who emphasize slightly larger, slightly more detailed miniatures as a sales-point actually (Dust, Anastyr, Wrath of Kings, Kingdom Death, etc... ).

It seems unlikely that they didn't expect people to look at the miniatures with an eyes towards using them elsewhere when they placed the "28mm" front and center like that in their advertising. I was similarly looking forward to their more sci-fi "28mm" they have planned for their Firestorm-verse. It will be interesting to see how those will turn out.

It kinda is, for some of us at least. I had an eye to buy a bunch of them to use as cool-looking steampunk/colonial-ish IG first, Dystopian Dudes second. Dust's figures aren't exactly bigger either. They're more truescale than GW, but not a lot bigger to be incompatible.

Zweischneid wrote:

 Sabotage! wrote:


For the Dystopian stuff, I see nothing wrong with the miniatures being 40mm, so as long as they didn't advertise them as 28mm.

That is the point. They made a fairly big deal out of advertising it as a 28mm game. Arguably, in the context of Spartan Games, their intend might simply have been to say "hey look, we're not doing another Dystopian Wars, Firestorm Armada, etc..-fleet game". But they put "28mm" all over their website, the promotional mails, etc., etc..

Exactly - I'm glad we're all in agreement now!

And you're right - this could have been avoided had they avoided calling it a '28mm' game...

I really don't think the size is a big deal. I was comparing my FSA models to my GW models as well as my Dust Warfare and Warmachine models.

The Dystopian FSA infantry are the same size as Dust Warfare and Warmachine models (Although I only have a squad of heavy infantry and warcasters/characters for Warmachine).

The FSA basic troopers are 35/36 mm tall, with the characters and their big hats bring them up to 40 mm. When put in a squad of my Cadian Arbites I really don't think the FSA look bad. Slightly tall, but the GW models are beefy enough to reduce the feeling of size difference in my opinion.

I also really don't think the terrain sizes will be a big deal. Sure the doors and windows will not be at the exact right size, but for in-game circumstances the difference will be completely irrelevant.

I just showed that size comparision pic to a friend who wanted to use them for a guard project. He said:

Prussians have always grown big. Where do you think Space Marines come from?

 Anung Un Rama wrote:
I just showed that size comparision pic to a friend who wanted to use them for a guard project. He said:

Prussians have always grown big. Where do you think Space Marines come from?

From Nottingham?

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Anung Un Rama wrote:
I just showed that size comparision pic to a friend who wanted to use them for a guard project. He said:

Prussians have always grown big. Where do you think Space Marines come from?

From Nottingham?

Nah! They come from Utah, they only WORK in space!

 Anung Un Rama wrote:
I just showed that size comparision pic to a friend who wanted to use them for a guard project. He said:

Prussians have always grown big. Where do you think Space Marines come from?

But the Britisch are the same size!


...or should that be Briten?

http://www.spartangames.co.uk/wp/wp/wp-content/spartanimg/Pre-Warfare-2.jpg

Looks like the vehicles may be usable though.

I'm looking forward to the Britannian APC (link in Lord Blackfang's post, Page 2). Currently ordering some sets via Trolltrader on ebay after Wayland let me down.

One German trader denied them being 40mm tall, we will see.

I got some to compare they are just too big too use has proxy guard. Sigh they had such promise

Now then, how do those giants fit into those tankettes?

 Kroothawk wrote:
One German trader denied them being 40mm tall, we will see.

Strange, maybe he is measuring different...
Anyway - the comparison pics stands!

According to my measurements... The FSA infantry are 36mm tall. The people with the big hats are 40mm tall.

I haven't seen the Prussians in person, but I'd guess the 40mm height is up to their spike. They still appear to be a little taller than GW models (but I don't think it'd look bad using them in separate squads), rather they look more on the scale of Warmachine models

Kroothawk wrote:One German trader denied them being 40mm tall, we will see.

Sounds like a Nitpicking German who measured one at 35mm to 39mm who then declared "Nope, not 40mm!"

inqscott wrote:I got some to compare they are just too big too use has proxy guard. Sigh they had such promise

And GW IG are too big to begin with!

AAN wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
One German trader denied them being 40mm tall, we will see.

Strange, maybe he is measuring different...
Anyway - the comparison pics stands!

Exactly!

roadkizzle wrote:According to my measurements... The FSA infantry are 36mm tall. The people with the big hats are 40mm tall.

I haven't seen the Prussians in person, but I'd guess the 40mm height is up to their spike. They still appear to be a little taller than GW models (but I don't think it'd look bad using them in separate squads), rather they look more on the scale of Warmachine models

And there we have it - again!

Hi, anyone who has these and is disappointed by the big scale, let me know if you want to sell them to me.
I could pay or swap for Vic Minis.
Cheers,
V

@Alpharius, note that I am not agreeing with you on the models being 40mm. I am saying they are 35mm scale. I agree they are not 28mm like they were billed, but neither did the german retailer.

Although they are a bigger scale, I don't think they look bad at all set within a 40k army. (I'd keep them in separate squads though) Largely because GW models are so "heroic"

roadkizzle wrote:
@Alpharius, note that I am not agreeing with you on the models being 40mm. I am saying they are 35mm scale.

How are you measuring?
Feet to eye? Then they are more around 35mm indeed, I am taking measures over the full height, therefore 40mm.

For me they are too big to integrate in any existing VSF or 40K range.
But it all boils down to personal taste, if you like some units to be bigger - coming from a low gravity world etc etc - use them!

BTW - I rechecked the box they are sold in - NOWHERE does it read 28mm!!