Daemons of Chaos Rumours (Fantasy & 40k) - First post updated with release list, prices, and pics!

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**pretre**

via 75Hastings69 on Warseer wrote:
Whether the update will be a White Dwarf Release or Codex/Army Book
both army book & codex this time round, they'll include the new nurgle flies the khorne cannon thing as well as the stuff that was in the booklet last time in WD

regarding when we will see the Chaos Daemons codex pre-orders
My dates used to be pre-order dates

**Swara**

Sounds good I guess. I'm hoping more for some updated rules for army placement and such.

**Red Viper**

Really looking forward to this release if it truly is a full Codex.

It will basically seal the fate of my Chaos Marines. I don't want to ally with IG because they are lame and expensive, so I want my only battle bro to be a good one.

I prefer Khorne, so I'm hoping they get something to help Bloodletters from getting shot up as soon as they land. Bloodcrushers being Cavalry is awesome too... if only a Khorne Lord on a juggy could join them...

**pretre**

Natfka via an anonymous source wrote:
Here is the latest rumor bits

The next white dwarf previews the new daemons.
The previously white dwarf released units are changing slightly (some get better, some worse).
The following white dwarf previews flyers.
So feb daemons,
March flyers.

Oh p.s. No new god. No hybrid GDs. Expanded fluff on malice.

**blood reaper**

pretre wrote:
Natfka via an anonymous source wrote:
Expanded fluff on malice.

Really? But it's just Malal, which they don't even own.

**Mafty**

More rumors and inside sources are chiming in that it is indeed a full Chaos Daemons release coming, Hardback codex and all. This is excellent news, and a first that I can recall of 40k getting two codices released in successive months. Wow.

Talking about a fast and furious release schedule for Games Workshop. If this all comes to fruition, I just want to say thank you GW. If release schedules like this continue, we really could see a 4 codex release year for 2013. Exciting indeed.

Also of note, flyers are mentioned for a March release.

via an anonymous source
Here is the latest rumor bits

The next white dwarf previews the new daemons.
The previously white dwarf released units are changing slightly (some get better, some worse).
The following white dwarf previews flyers.
So feb daemons,
March flyers.

Oh p.s. No new god. No hybrid GDs. Expanded fluff on malice.

it's two separate books. Not one book that has rules for both like the white dwarf updates.
it's a hard cover full release not an insert.

**Azreal13**

BOLS wrote:

Schedule
Look for dual 40K/WFB Chaos Daemons army book-codexes in Feb/March.
They should be in the March White Dwarf, and hit the street end of February

New Models (cut this list into two equal sized waves - one with the codex, one following up a quarter later).
- All four Greater Daemon plastic kits with named options
- Plastic Furies, dual-option kit with "Flesh Terrors"
- Plastic Khorne Chariot, herald, dual kit with a cannon, pulled by Bloodcrushers
- Plastic Tzeentch Chariot, herald, dual kit with "flame-beast" pulled by screamers, ( 40k: a Skimmer)
- Plastic Nurgle Palanquin, (chariot), carried by Nurglings, (combines with Nurgle GD kit for named character model - Ku'gath)
- Nurgle Plague-flies jetbikes/monsterous cavalry (40K-Elites, WFB-Rares)
- New Daemon-engine, bipedal with atypical porportions, uses ectoplasmic weaponry of CSMs, has numerous options for CC or Ranged loadout. (40K- Heavy, WFB-Special)
- New Daemon flying MC. (40K-Fast Attack-flyer, WFB-Rare)

Rules
- Daemon Princes with Wings will move slots in 40K.
- Look for across the board points increases in the codex/army book.

**pretre**

@azreal13: Is that from today and is there a rumormonger associated with it?

**bubber**

Worried about the bit about dual 40K/WFB book - probably mean £50 or so for a codex :(

**Azreal13**

@pretre

It's attributed to Voices In The Wind which I assume isn't a username, but may be wrong. It is from today however.

Forgot the link, soz.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2013/01/40kwfb-rumors-chaos-daemons-inbound.html?m=1

**wyomingfox**

@azreal13: It helps to include the date of the original post and the source along with the website it was posted in.

**pretre**

azreal13 wrote:@pretre

It's attributed to Voices In The Wind which I assume isn't a username, but may be wrong. It is from today however.

Thanks, looks like a pile-on, but still useful.

wyomingfox wrote:@azreal13: It helps to include the date of the original post and the source along with the website it was posted in.

Exactly.

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Oh wait, Voices in the Wind is them being clever.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
That's Larry Vela. Who already posted most of this before.

**usa_supersonic**

So..i don't get it. Are demons for sure in fantasy? are they for sure in 40k?
For sure , meaning as sure as you can be- like the DA rumors

**pretre**

usa_supersonic wrote:
So..i don't get it. Are demons for sure in fantasy? are they for sure in 40k?
For sure , meaning as sure as you can be- like the DA rumors

They are as 'for sure' as rumors get. Keep in mind that over 50% of the DA rumors were wrong.

**usa_supersonic**

pretre wrote:
usa_supersonic wrote:
So..i don't get it. Are demons for sure in fantasy? are they for sure in 40k?
For sure , meaning as sure as you can be- like the DA rumors

They are as 'for sure' as rumors get. Keep in mind that over 50% of the DA rumors were wrong.

I mean, about the release date- not the rules per se. Do we know they are going to be release in february- or are there strong sources in that direction?

**Azreal13**

They've been linked with Feb since August last year, , it's looking pretty solid.

**Avian**

azreal13 wrote:
BOLS wrote:

New Models (cut this list into two equal sized waves - one with the codex, one following up a quarter later).
- four plastic kits
- Plastic
- Plastic
- Plastic
- Plastic
- Nurgle Plague-flies
- New Daemon-engine,
- New Daemon flying MC.

That list is too long. Around a dozen kits, some of them likely to be huge, is far too much for two waves.

Fabrication. Move along.

**Azreal13**

@pretre

Hadn't heard all of this, the ectoplasm on the Engine, the daemonic flyer and princes moving slots was all new to me, and I've been following the rumours with interest.

Slightly baffled by the points increase though, isn't GW's normal MO to decrease points to force purchases?

Unless they are getting a bunch of nasty new rules like the Flamers.

**Hulksmash**

Yeah, expect possibly chariots and any new units they are putting in. They are pretty crazy right now about making sure any models released have rules and that rules have models. At least so far moving forward. There wasn't a single unit in CSM or DA that didn't have a model.

**H.B.M.C.**

Besides, we have one report saying that the plastic GD's won't include parts for special chars, and then another right after it saying they will.

I'm calling yes to plastic GDs, but no to anything relating to special chars. I'm also calling bs on all the chariots other than the Khornate one.

**Azreal13**

@avian

I think the plastic GDs have been ready for a while. If thats true you could discount them from the total.

**Hulksmash**

I could see a Tzeentch one too. But yeah, BS on most of the stuff.

**wyomingfox**

pretre wrote:
Oh wait, Voices in the Wind is them being clever.

That's Larry Vela. Who already posted most of this before.

It sounds like a lot of rehash from Harry's rumor summary found here:

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?349999-NEW-Deamons-of-Chaos-Rumours

...hmmm...got to love it when people reword something then don't give credit to Harry, Hastings, and Nat

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Hulksmash wrote:
I could see a Tzeentch one too. But yeah, BS on most of the stuff.

Actually considering the source he borrowed the info from...

...I am betting that alot of it will come to pass though not all at once.

Harry, Warseer, 8-16-12 wrote:In an effort to pull together what few rumours we have …
I have started threads for each of the armies rumoured to be somewhere in the pipeline.
I will do my best to keep the first posts updated as more rumours appear in these threads.
I have tried to remember as much as I can of what has been posted so far.
I will have missed or forgotten some of it ... so, any rumours that have been posted please just remind me ‘who’ said ‘what’ and I will update this first post.

Daemons of Chaos:

I know we have only just had a wave of Daemons but now we have this from hastings:

Release Date:

Hastings wrote:"The daemon rules should be taken as a stepping stone to the updated book (much like the wd vc terrorgheist article) next 4 books (for both systems are all chaos (in one form or another) and will hit within 4-5 months for all of them".

Hastings wrote:To clarify....Books: CSM, WoC, DoC, Chaos Daemons

All will be realeased within 4-5 months of the CSM codex hitting (sep afaik)

So we are talking february at the latest?

Author:
Unknown

Rules:
Unknown ... Beyond those suggested by the rules booklet in the recent WD

Models:

Hastings wrote:All 4 greater Deamons will get plastic kits (with head/weapon options plus wfb/40k specific bits on sprues) and that there will be "resin conversion packs" to make "named greater Deamons".

No idea of timescales on this. I am not expecting them to arrive together Or with this wave. (Harry)

NatTreeHouse wrote:Jes Goodwin is rumoured to be doing the Bloodthirster. (BRING IT ON! ) No timescale for this.

stickmonkey wrote:Khorne chariot, two bloodcrushers pulling a wagon with herald option or some fire belching thing. Large base
Tzentch chariot, pulled by screamers, with horrors riding, but I've also heard it has a large flamer rider too. Large base
Nurgle palanquin, nurglings, daemon prince base, fat plague bearer.
4 GD with variants for named daemons and swappable options, most rumors point to resin packs, but I've heard wind its all in the plastic kits lately. I'd lean towards Harry's news, but I hope for all in one myself. I have heard that these may be moving to the larger base now, if so, they will be huge. One can hope, but I don't have a lot of confidence in this bit.
Furies (no dual kit options I've heard of.) in plastic.
Plastic fiends were being worked on at one point, but I haven't heard anything about them recently.
New elite daemon engine. 40k Dreadnought sized. Lots of options. Quasi-God specific bits like the soulgrinder. Supposedly unique to daemons not the same as this new unit for chaos space marines.

stickmonkey wrote:Big khorn flame belcher thing
Tzeentch Larger flamer instead of horrors.
Sounded like more ranged options for the daemons.

BRING IT ON!

It is kinda hard to see at first light but Harry is quoting Hastings, NatTreeHouse, SM...actually most of the bottom items are from SM

Warseer 8-17-12:

Harry wrote:Well, what I heard ... was two waves of models AND two 'waves' of Greater Daemons. In other words the Greater Daemons would be coming in two pairs.... which makes sense..... not many of us would be able to crash for all four in the same month! However ... until hastings posted I had heard nothing about a book .... for either system.

Warseer 8-22-12:

Hastings wrote:
Harry referencing stickmonkey wrote:Khorne chariot, two bloodcrushers pulling a wagon with herald option or some fire belching thing. Large base

Interesting

Just noticed this so apologies for not crediting the OP, as usual Harry will take the glory I'm sure

..... I also hear a very loud buzzing noise

Warseer 10-9-12:

Hastings wrote:Already been answered on the forums (check the roundup Harry went to the trouble of doing in post #1). For those that didn't read it, khorne get a chariot...... But it has, erm, ...... Options

Warseer 1-10-13:

Hastings wrote:Hmmm, I do recall some chat about a Tzeentch chariot with the option of having 1 really big flamer on it, can't recall where I heard it though so please don't take it as gospel.

**Sasori**

I'm looking Forward to this. Hoping it makes my Word Bearers complete!

**geordie09**

Plastic GD's with unique alternatives... I just hope that Skarbrand is suitably huge! Like, gorgon huge!

**Scottywan82**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Besides, we have one report saying that the plastic GD's won't include parts for special chars, and then another right after it saying they will.

I'm calling yes to plastic GDs, but no to anything relating to special chars. I'm also calling bs on all the chariots other than the Khornate one.

Even after the Swarmlord? Just curious why you'd say BS. It would follow that monstrous creatures get SCs in the box.

...or am I just so hopeful it's true I'm deluding myself?

**Hulksmash**

@wyomingfox

The GD's will come, I'm not calling BS on them, not 100% together on this release but they'll come. I'm calling BS on any of the crazier stuff because if it's geniunely a codex they want every unit in the codex to have a model. Expect the kits released to fill those gaps. They can always release a plastic replacement for existing models later. But GW has been pretty fanatical about having everything in a book released this edition. Probably in response to the CH stuff as well as other companies who would slide in first back in 5th edition.

**H.B.M.C.**

Scottywan82 wrote:
Even after the Swarmlord? Just curious why you'd say BS. It would follow that monstrous creatures get SCs in the box.

...or am I just so hopeful it's true I'm deluding myself?

Yes, true. Swarmlord and Karl Franz on Deathclaw as well. I certainly want there to be bits for the special characters in there, but I’m just not getting my hopes up.

But this release just seems to have so much stuff, so I expect only half of it to be true.

**Kroothawk**

To sum up the BOLS rumours:
Daemons are in February, no March. Definitely covered in WD February, no March, with preorders late February. And Flyers March, no.

**timetowaste85**

What bothers me is the rumor of point increases across the board for both games. In Fantasy, I can understand it. 40k? Not without some serious changes. Daemonettes should be cheaper, or be able to attack on the turn they DS. Honestly, they should only be about 10 points a piece, given the cost of where SMs are headed. Bloodletters need to gain AP2 on their swords and/or the option for axes, with preferred enemy everyone, or else a decrease in points down to 14ish, etc, etc. I can understand Flamers going up in price (23 is way too cheap for what they do), but some of the other things...to hell with that.