Daemons of Chaos Rumours (Fantasy & 40k) - First post updated with release list, prices, and pics!

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**Leth**

It seems interesting, however I think that GW has realized that anything that gives your opponent long term control over your models is generally hated. Mind in the machine and puppet master is just a shooting phase, nothing else so not biggie. But anything that makes you move is generally despised.

Interested in seeing everything in the context of the codex and how they will interact with Chaos marines.

**schadenfreude**

Faeit 212 inbox wrote:
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via Matt (not his real name) from the Faeit 212 inbox
Now that GW have released their teaser trailer I can give you the big scoop of information I have been holding. This information has only been told to a view of us and you must realise that is why we had to wait for GW to make their move. So this is what I know in the way of rules, stats and points - their is a view upgrades but nothing to amazing.

I will start with the big daemons -
The bloodthirsters : 280pts
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
10 4 9 7 5 5 5 10 5+
Daemonic gifts: blood axe, armour of terror, whip of destruction
special rules: daemon, daemonic flight, furious charge, rage,blood without end
blood axe - user gains a previously lost wound he has lost earlier in game for every kill he makes on a 4+
armour of terror - user gains a 2+ save and 5+ invulnerable. The bearer gains a 4+ feel no pain if the weapons AP in lower than 3
whip of destruction - 12'' shooting attack - strength 8 AP 4 rending
daemon - see page 36
daemonic flight- see chaos special rules
furious charge & rage - rule book (P41&37)

blood without end- the bloodthirsters gain +d6 attacks on the charge and makes another strike at initiative step 1 for every wound he causes.
These extra strikes do not produce any further strikes.

Great unclean one : 260pts
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
5 4 6 8 6 1 4 10 6+
Daemonic gifts: plague sword of death, bloated body, aura of decay
special rules: daemon, slow and purposeful,my master gifts all,shrouded
plague sword of death - wounds everything on 2+ with an ap of 3 - turns characters into spawn
bloated body - the daemon has a 4+ armour save and a 3+ feel no pain on any weapon AP 5 or below.
aura of decay - the great unclean one has defensive and assault grenades and causes all enemy weapons to count as -1 strength (I believe this is ranged and
close combat)

daemon - page 36
slow and purposeful - page 42
shrouded- page 41

my master gifts all - pick an enemy and friendly unit at the beginning of the game. The enemy unit gains -1 toughness and strength while a friendly plaguebearers count as +1 strength and +1 to there feel no pain rolls.

troop units :
bloodletters: 14pts each
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
5 0 5 4 1 4 2 10 6+
daemonic gifts: blood swords (strength: user AP: 4)
special rules: daemon, furious charge,rage
unit type: infantry
Number/squad: 5-20

Daemonettes of slannesh: 12pts each
WS BS S T W I A LD SV
4 0 4 3 1 6 2 10 6+
Daemonic gifts: rending claws
special rules: fleet, make them suffer (+1 added to strength - already included)
Unit type: infantry
Number/squad: 5-15

Wargear:
tzeench gift of betrayal -50pts (one use)
pick an enemy independent character at random, that model or unit must pass a leadership test with a -4 penalty or be removed after being sucked into the warp for tzeench amusement, models from codex: space marine, dark angels,black templars,grey knights,space wolves,blood angels take a -2 penalty instead to represent their resistance from the dark gods temptations.

nurgle's blessing (30pts)
pick a nurgle unit in your army, that model/unit gains +1 to their feel no pain roll.

sword of a thousand souls: 45pts
the bearer must charge every enemy unit and must challenge but gain +2d6 extra attacks on the charge.

dance of death: 40pts
pick an enemy unit at the beginning of the game, that unit must roll a initiative test every turn of the game or is under the control of the daemon player. The unit under control may charge friendly models but cannot move off the board or into any piece of terrain that can cause hard to the model. If the enemy passes the initiative test more than three times during the battle then the dance has been removed for the remainder of the game.

Garbage & Tripe. I expect more from Faeit 212 It's either the product of an enthusiastic fanboy, arsonist troll, or a clever GW leak of mostly false information used to pump up curiosity in the community.

Bloodletters...half way believable. Take a unit of CSM zerkers, remove all special wargear, remove all ranged weapons, add the icon that gives rerolls to charge distances as a base ability, and swap power armor for a 5+ invo. Now ask how much would you pay for them?

Dance of death: Take that with every grain of sale mixed into the pacific ocean. As much fun as it would be to watch Immotekh get cut down by his own wraiths or having a fat unit of 30 boys run multiple grot artillery pieces and lootas off the field with a turn 1 charge I have to say no we don't get to auto win against orks and necrons.

GUO with t8 that's effectively t9 in cc that can drop a target unit's str for an effective t10....umm no. T8 crosses a major threshold where a mc is immune to s4 (bolters and meq cc attacks) GW only crossed that threshold 2 times since 3rd edition are the wraith lord and old school C`tan, and all trends indicate they are moving away from T8 units.

The next statement will seem sarcastic when it's not intended to be sarcastic. The blood thirster isn't that unbalanced. Repeat, that's not sarcasm. The deamonic gifts are not necessarily built in, and could cost hundreds of points. So it's really just +2 str and +1T with a -1 to it's invo for 30 points with t7 as only thing being aberrational for GW's current patterns. Fully upgraded it could cost 500 points, which leads me to believe the leak is fake. GW just doesn't make any money by making previously released MC the superawesomeuber units of 6th ed. Old blood thirster models that have been collecting dust for the last 15 years are now suddenly 1/3 of a 1,500 point competitive army. New players are going to buy single $60 to $80 model to fill 500 points instead of purchasing $200 to $250 in infantry to fill the same 500 point gap in their army. The current trend is GW wants to sell new models and hordes of infantry. The leak is 10 gallons of gak crammed into a 5 gallon bucket.

**Azreal13**

I got as far as the GUO's 'Plague Sword Of Death' and got disappointed. Will it go with the BT's Blood Axe Of Death, the KOS's Naughty Whip Of Pleasure (and death) and the LoC's Change Staff of Confusion and Lies (and death?)

**Medium of Death**

Still no leaked pictures? Madness!

**kronk**

Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.

**CleverAntics**

For some reason, if we lose EW, Daemonic Assault, etc...those GD stats wouldn't surprise me. They'd get absolutely trashed right now if they came out relatively the same and deploying normally.

If anything, I'm banking - and hoping - on similar or almost identical stats as presented. After all, the CSM DP got nice stat boosts and has made me optimistic for the GDs.

Bleh to everything else.

**Harriticus**

kronk wrote:
Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.

The GW Stasi has been quite successful as of late on Cracking down on people who interfere with their baffingly stupid and juvenile secrecy policy

**BrassScorpion**

baffingly stupid and juvenile secrecy policy

For the hundredth time at least posted on this forum, the secrecy policy was imposed as part of the licensing agreement between New Line Cinema and GW because New Line wants to control what and when imagery from their Hobbit movies is released. Second, the CEO of GW declared in a recent financial statement that their sales have actually increased since they've gone to previewing their new products only one week ahead of time. So while customers, myself included, may not enjoy the secrecy policy it is objectively speaking neither stupid nor baffling at this point.

**wuestenfux**

kronk wrote:
Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.

Pretty strange. GW's information policy is disgusting.

**pretre**

wuestenfux wrote:
kronk wrote:
Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.

Pretty strange. GW's information policy is disgusting.

Disgusting? Weird word for it.

Annoying?
Silly?
Counter-productive to our wants?

Sure, those all fit.

Disgusting?
Not sure how that fits.

**TzeentchNet**

BrassScorpion wrote:
baffingly stupid and juvenile secrecy policy
Second, the CEO of GW declared in a recent financial statement that their sales have actually increased since they've gone to previewing their new products only one week ahead of time.

Sales increases are probably tied to the Hobbit license; it would be difficult, if not impossible, to quantify the effect of the new secrecy policy on sales right now. That said, it doesn't mean that GW isn't convinced that correlation (while ignoring other correlation) is causation.

**pretre**

BoLS wrote:

40K: Codex Chaos Daemons $49.50
WFB: Daemons of Chaos Army Book $49.50
WFB: Chaos Daemons Battalion/Battleforce $115.00
WFB: Burning Chariot of Tzeentch $40.00
WFB: Plague Drones of Nurgle $60.00
WFB: Blood Throne of Khorne $40.00
WFB: Herald of Nurgle $25.00

**Kroothawk**

Better discuss some real rumours:

Hitsugaya Toushiro over at Warseer wrote:from italian guy who have a warhammer shop (prices in Euros)

Army Book Chaos Daemons € 39,00
Codex Chaos Daemons € 39,00
Magic Cards 22 Battle Magic Cards € 8,50
Warhammer 40,000 Psyonic Powers 12 Psychic Cards € 6,00
Burning Chaoriot of Tzeentch/Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot of Tzeentch € 35,00
Plague Drones of Nurgle (in italian they are named Parassiti della Peste di Nurgle.....it's litterally translated in Plague Parasites of Nurgle) € 46,00
Blood Throne of Khorne/Skull Cannon of Khorne € 35,00
Heraldo of Nurgle 1 Fig Clampack € 20,00
Herald of Khorne 1 Fig Clampack € 20,00
Herald of Slaanesh 1 Fig Clampack € 20,00

Oops, that was a close Ninja

**Sasori**

pretre wrote:
BoLS wrote:

40K: Codex Chaos Daemons $49.50
WFB: Daemons of Chaos Army Book $49.50
WFB: Chaos Daemons Battalion/Battleforce $115.00
WFB: Burning Chariot of Tzeentch $40.00
WFB: Plague Drones of Nurgle $60.00
WFB: Blood Throne of Khorne $40.00
WFB: Herald of Nurgle $25.00

Those Plague Drones better be damn impressive....

**pretre**

Kroothawk wrote:

Oops, that was a close Ninja

And mine is in real money!

Automatically Appended Next Post:
And yours has more stuff on it.

**timetowaste85**

And it looks like $25 is the standard for plastic heroes now. Well, didn't buy the WoC hero, won't buy the Daemon ones. Don't care how nice they are, $25 is too much for a man sized model on foot.

**Medium of Death**

I have to agree that the prices for single characters has reached pretty damn silly levels of money.

kronk wrote:
Yeah. Only 4 days from pre order and not a single leaked picture of the models or codex cover. Odd.

Very odd. I think the last few times leaked pictures have usually preceded the terrible teaser trailers. Wonder how they've managed to keep this so well locked down?

**Agamemnon2**

BrassScorpion wrote:
baffingly stupid and juvenile secrecy policy
For the hundredth time at least posted on this forum, the secrecy policy was imposed as part of the licensing agreement between New Line Cinema and GW because New Line wants to control what and when imagery from their Hobbit movies is released. Second, the CEO of GW declared in a recent financial statement that their sales have actually increased since they've gone to previewing their new products only one week ahead of time. So while customers, myself included, may not enjoy the secrecy policy it is objectively speaking neither stupid nor baffling at this point.

We're not "customers" any more. The wargaming community are like bronies: totally tangential to the main revenue stream. We don't matter to GW.

**Azreal13**

timetowaste85 wrote:
And it looks like $25 is the standard for plastic heroes now. Well, didn't buy the WoC hero, won't buy the Daemon ones. Don't care how nice they are, $25 is too much for a man sized model on foot.

Agreed. Unless its cast from liquid awesome there's sooo many modelling options for daemons out there from kit bashes or third parties, one can have an amazing looking army without buying the official minis.

Would it be bad form to link to another forum here on Dakka?

**pretre**

Agamemnon2 wrote:
The wargaming community are like bronies

Woah! Hold back there buddy and remember rule 1. No reason to insult us.

**wowsmash**

What no $85 monstrous creature?

**Kroothawk**

wowsmash wrote:
What no $85 monstrous creature?

The four 150$ Greater Daemons are for a later release

**Acardia**

So looks like book and magic cards for me at launch, I have two tzeentch chariots made already, they may need their paint upgraded since I painted them ages ago.

I have converted a cool herald except for slannesh, that really pops, so I'd look at that one first.

I refuse to play anything called a skull cannon, unless it has a spring involved that actually launches skulls.

That being said I'm going to do a nurgle version of it, call it the turd thrower, pus puker, duce dropper....

**pretre**

Acardia wrote:
That being said I'm going to do a nurgle version of it, call it the turd thrower, pus puker, duce dropper....

Ahh, to be 12 again...

**gorgon**

Acardia wrote:
I refuse to play anything called a skull cannon, unless it has a spring involved that actually launches skulls.

I'm guessing the basic concept derives from either the old cannon of khorne or the doom blaster?

**Experiment 626**

CleverAntics wrote:
For some reason, if we lose EW, Daemonic Assault, etc...those GD stats wouldn't surprise me. They'd get absolutely trashed right now if they came out relatively the same and deploying normally.

If anything, I'm banking - and hoping - on similar or almost identical stats as presented. After all, the CSM DP got nice stat boosts and has made me optimistic for the GDs.

Bleh to everything else.

No way the GUO becomes T8 for reasons already well discussed.
On the other hand, T6/W8-10 like his Fantasy counterpart would be great to see and would finally make him worthwhile!

**Sephyr**

BrassScorpion wrote:
Second, the CEO of GW declared in a recent financial statement that their sales have actually increased since they've gone to previewing their new products only one week ahead of time. So while customers, myself included, may not enjoy the secrecy policy it is objectively speaking neither stupid nor baffling at this point.

It's far from a sure thing that sales increases have been the result of their tight-lipped release strategy. It could easily have beendue to increased awareness due to DoW games, club growth, people returning to the hobby due to new codexes.

It's a staple CEO trick to link anything good to their latest management shift, though. "Profits are up 3% since we implemented my policy of treating out customers like north korean spies! Those two facts are obviously related. Now if only you gentlemen of the board vote for my initiative to print all books in invisible ink and then sell decoder rings for a premium to our thrlass, we'll corner the market in no time!"

**Hulksmash**

Hmmm...chariots cost more than the slaanesh one. Glad I got all of thsoe I'll need as they'll likely match the increase come this years price hike. I'm kinda excited about the chariots and book. Definitely on the line for the book and cards at release. Followed up by possibly the chariots and plague flys. Daemons are one of the armies I can paint with an airbrush and don't get tired of adding too. Especially now that it's almost entirely plastic.

**Cyvash**

The prices on the nerw stuff seems reasonable. SInce the two chariots are dual kits comming with extra bits. im assuming the plauge drones are definatly some sort of skimmer 3 pack.

**Experiment 626**

Hulksmash wrote:
Hmmm...chariots cost more than the slaanesh one. Glad I got all of thsoe I'll need as they'll likely match the increase come this years price hike. I'm kinda excited about the chariots and book. Definitely on the line for the book and cards at release. Followed up by possibly the chariots and plague flys. Daemons are one of the armies I can paint with an airbrush and don't get tired of adding too. Especially now that it's almost entirely plastic.

I'm betting there's more components to these new chariots, (since both boxes have multiple options instead of needing x2 to make the Exalted build), AND that both of these are far more survivable than the Slaaneshii "I can be like Dark Eldar tin-foil too!" chariots.

If there's no new daemon engine/s in this new codex, then I'll probably just go ahead and get a Soul Grinder before it gets the inevitable price hike...

Gonna be an expensive March that's for sure!
Army Book + Codex
Both sets of cards
Soul Grinder
Khorne chariot/cannon
Tzeentch Burning chariot provided it's not horrid looking

Yep, looks like my wallet is about to commit suicide on me!