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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Given that Juggernauts are 'daemonic living machines of war' I'd have though a fused chariot using them would have been on the cards. Not the 'khorne mower'.

Great description of that mess of a model

And to think I was nervous about giving up the world of GW for Flames of war/historical wargaming. I wish I could go back in time to congratulate myself on that decision.

If anybody wanted evidence that GW had given up the ghost of being a serious hobby company, this was it. I've seen a lot of bad models from GW in my time, but this beats the lot.

The heralds are bland and uninspring, as though they had been done by a trainee, not a veteran.

The plague drones look like something you would see at a zoo, and the less said about the khorne mower the better. If GW are expecting that much cash for a piece of coral (Tzeentch chariot) then you may as well pay a similar amount on the entry fee to your local sea world centre and see the real thing.

Total mess.

Just speculating: Maybe 2 Greater Daemons were planned for the first wave, but as a reaction to the recent price discussion GW opted to release the 300$ (1000AU$) plastic kits at a later date

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Given that Juggernauts are 'daemonic living machines of war' I'd have though a fused chariot using them would have been on the cards. Not the 'khorne mower'.

Great description of that mess of a model

And to think I was nervous about giving up the world of GW for Flames of war/historical wargaming. I wish I could go back in time to congratulate myself on that decision.

If anybody wanted evidence that GW had given up the ghost of being a serious hobby company, this was it. I've seen a lot of bad models from GW in my time, but this beats the lot.

The heralds are bland and uninspring, as though they had been done by a trainee, not a veteran.

The plague drones look like something you would see at a zoo, and the less said about the khorne mower the better. If GW are expecting that much cash for a piece of coral (Tzeentch chariot) then you may as well pay a similar amount on the entry fee to your local sea world centre and see the real thing.

Total mess.

Lol. You're kidding right?
Hating for hating sake is pretty petty.
The models have plenty of detail, and to judge a model by its paint job is ignorant. I may not like the models, but i dont let my personal opinion determine whether a model is good or not. That's just plain stupid.

New Models

I don't like the giant flys - the big Toads that Forge World made are much better IMO
Burning Chariot is really horrible for me -but I do like the Herald from the same kit - lots of great stuff with that version.
Similar with the Blood Chariot but like the Skull Cannon
Herald of Nurgle is ok but like the other Finecast - horribly overpriced.
Herald of Khrone looks great
Not keen on the Herald of Slaanesh - Raging Heroes do this type of figure much better.

Nice art work on the Codex / army book covers - but again they are overpriced for what they are and hence a non purchase until they come up cheap on ebay.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

The heralds are bland and uninspring, as though they had been done by a trainee, not a veteran.

Look at the Nurgle Herald. It has an astonishing amount of detail. Are you honestly saying that you find it uninspiring?

I'm not trying to hate on you, I'm just amazed that you find it "bland".

The heralds kinda look too much like the plastic models they are emulating...

 4oursword wrote:
The heralds kinda look too much like the plastic models they are emulating...

Seeing that Heralds are just Better Versions of the basic troops of the Gods..., it makes sens...

 4oursword wrote:
The heralds kinda look too much like the plastic models they are emulating...

Gawd guy's, space marine sergeant's look too much like space marines.

My problem is not the detail of the Herald of Nurgle, but nothing stands out to any of the other Plaguebearers. It's not a bad model though.

 blood reaper wrote:
My problem is not the detail of the Herald of Nurgle, but nothing stands out to any of the other Plaguebearers. It's not a bad model though.

Paint standard plaguebearers green. Paint herald albino, or corpse grey, or bloody red, or bruise purple, or scabby brown, or whatever you like to symbolise the difference

Evileyes wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
My problem is not the detail of the Herald of Nurgle, but nothing stands out to any of the other Plaguebearers. It's not a bad model though.

Paint standard plaguebearers green. Paint herald albino, or corpse grey, or bloody red, or bruise purple, or scabby brown, or whatever you like to symbolise the difference

I'm just making one with the plastic box set. £15 for a single plastic model? No way. £10 or £11 pounds, but £15?

 blood reaper wrote:

Evileyes wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
My problem is not the detail of the Herald of Nurgle, but nothing stands out to any of the other Plaguebearers. It's not a bad model though.

Paint standard plaguebearers green. Paint herald albino, or corpse grey, or bloody red, or bruise purple, or scabby brown, or whatever you like to symbolise the difference

I'm just making one with the plastic box set. £15 for a single plastic model? No way. £10 or £11 pounds, but £15?

Despite me liking the model, I have to agree, the one with the plaguebearers box is still pretty epic in itself, with it's handfull of heads and huge sword. Plus, the whole, getting 9 extra plaguebearers for 3 pounds more

Evileyes wrote:

 4oursword wrote:
The heralds kinda look too much like the plastic models they are emulating...

Gawd guy's, space marine sergeant's look too much like space marines.

Use Space Marine Sergeants as Heralds of Nurgle. Use Heralds of Nurgle as Space Marine Sergeants.

Fixed.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Given that Juggernauts are 'daemonic living machines of war' I'd have though a fused chariot using them would have been on the cards. Not the 'khorne mower'.

Having looked at the sprues it seems as though this will actually be able to be done.

-Shrike- wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

The heralds are bland and uninspring, as though they had been done by a trainee, not a veteran.

Look at the Nurgle Herald. It has an astonishing amount of detail. Are you honestly saying that you find it uninspiring?

I'm not trying to hate on you, I'm just amazed that you find it "bland".

Yeah, I do think it's bland. For $25 I'd expect more than a normal plaguebearer with some extra bits stuck to that. As an earlier poster said, you could do that with the contents of the plaguebeaer box. I suspect many people will make their own heralds.

It's probably best I put this in my signature, but for the record (again) I freely admit to spending hundreds of pounds on GW stuff, and, shock horror, enjoying GW games. So now and again I don't like their stuff, so what? That's not hating for hating's sake, that's expressing my God given right to a personal view.

This is not a personal attack, just a response to some of the threads above. I'm not picking on individuals here.

I'm completely in with these releases all accept the khorn mobile. It is such a shame as this could really have been a great model. My problem is unusually the model is too "sleek". It should be more like a large blood crusher, maybe with a single spiked wheel at the back.

The way it is it looks more slanneshi not khorn like at all, just a real shame it could have been a really great model.

Actually looking at the model again it could make an excellent dark elder conversion to go along side these with minimal work.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1780153a_99120112016_Cronos01_445x319.jpg

Neronoxx wrote:

I may not like the models, but i dont let my personal opinion determine whether a model is good or not. That's just plain stupid.

You're right, who wants to use their own personal opinion to determine if they like a model or not - that's what internet forums are for!

 Cryptek of Awesome wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

I may not like the models, but i dont let my personal opinion determine whether a model is good or not. That's just plain stupid.

You're right, who wants to use their own personal opinion to determine if they like a model or not - that's what internet forums are for!

Hahaha, personality, that's far too mainstream for me.

Has there been any word on how Eppy and the Tally work now?

Uhm I may have missed something (long thread) but the books contain nothing new bar being in hardback
Are the Nurgle Drones included in them?

Oh my god! Those blight drones are so amazing! I shall have to get some for my nurgle army. Ive been waiting a long time for something like that!

 Ratius wrote:
Uhm I may have missed something (long thread) but the books contain nothing new bar being in hardback
Are the Nurgle Drones included in them?

You mean other than all the new models and new rules?

 Ratius wrote:
Uhm I may have missed something (long thread) but the books contain nothing new bar being in hardback
Are the Nurgle Drones included in them?

The books are completely a new Army Book (Fantasy)/Codex (40K) so will have a whole bunch of changed/additions/subtractions from the old ones

the limited edition versions are just the standard one with a different cover, marker ribbon (and limited edition number) unless you HAVE to have your favorite gods version, probably not worth having

Ahhh right, thanks for the clarification

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 Ratius wrote:
Uhm I may have missed something (long thread) but the books contain nothing new bar being in hardback
Are the Nurgle Drones included in them?

The books are completely a new Army Book (Fantasy)/Codex (40K) so will have a whole bunch of changed/additions/subtractions from the old ones

the limited edition versions are just the standard one with a different cover, marker ribbon (and limited edition number) unless you HAVE to have your favorite gods version, probably not worth having

There's no "probably" about it. I don't know who would pay $100 for a book with a different cver and ribbon. The codices are overpriced enough as it,is. People don't get them for collecting nice looking books. They get them for the game primarily, which is why they just need softcover black and white and charge $20 like a non-crazy company.

My opinions on the new models are that the new heralds are kind of not too special.

The rest of the new models are mostly good except for the tzeentch stuff which doesn't look that appealing to me for some reason. I love the lord of change (tzeentch) but the daemonic stuff is usually not as cool looking in comparison to the warriors of chaos and chaos marines themed tzeentch units in my eyes.

The nurgle plague flies are awesome to me. Sure the riders are a bit meh but not a huge deal.

The khorne chariot is awesome and yeah the bloodletters at the front aren't too fantastic and in some ways it's a little weird as a fantasy/40k combo unit since it had to suit both but whatever it still works for me. I'm more unsure about the khorne cannon (interesting name hehe) because i always saw khorne as a melee blood and skulls type of guy. He hates magic and to an extent probably considers ranged attacks cowardly so a khorne themed cannon seems a bit strange to me even if it launches skulls.

So yeah my opinions overall is that the new model line is pretty good. It's not like the dark eldar model release or the vampire counts models release with as fantastic set-piece models but for me it looks a h*ll of a lot better than the warriors of chaos release.

Also i find it ridiculous 40k players would complain about these new models. In my opinion 40k models can range from awesome to sucking whereas with fantasy new models are either fantastic to about average. Fantasy in my opinion seems to have a better track record than say the storm raven, dreadknight, warp talons shenanigans BS 40k players have to put up with.

Also even with the new dark angels models the look of that land speeder with the plasma storm battery gunner's other option with the statue he basically fires looks stupid. I mean what's that gunner doing with the statue? It looks absolutely slowed. Is he firing some holiness aura of doom at people and cranking up the 'pure-i-ness' of the f*cking thing?! This might just be me but somebody totally has to turn the plasma storm battery gunner into a DJ with giant *ss speakers surrounding him on that thing. It needs to happen. Do it!

The dark angels model i'm talking about for ease of reference.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat860011a&prodId=prod1830076a

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

This is not a personal attack, just a response to some of the threads above. I'm not picking on individuals here.

Oh yeah? Well your opinion is a personal attack on my God-given right to consider other people's opinions personal attacks!



Okay, so on topic, do you guys think there'd be any problems with using the plague drones riderless? I quite like the fly models, but the riders just seem... I dunno, just unceremoniously plunked down on top of them without much thought. Kinda clunky. Too big relative to the flies to seem realistic (and yes, I realize the questionableness of needing little plastic daemons of chaos to look "realistic", but it still bothers me). I think I saw that the models have plague swords as wargear, so maybe I'd have to do something to represent those?

vanadium322 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

This is not a personal attack, just a response to some of the threads above. I'm not picking on individuals here.

Oh yeah? Well your opinion is a personal attack on my God-given right to consider other people's opinions personal attacks!



Okay, so on topic, do you guys think there'd be any problems with using the plague drones riderless? I quite like the fly models, but the riders just seem... I dunno, just unceremoniously plunked down on top of them without much thought. Kinda clunky. Too big relative to the flies to seem realistic (and yes, I realize the questionableness of needing little plastic daemons of chaos to look "realistic", but it still bothers me). I think I saw that the models have plague swords as wargear, so maybe I'd have to do something to represent those?

This is generally what green stuff and converting is for sadly. Just find some better looking pose or something. I'm no converter myself (though i send all the ones that come to my door away) but with enough fixing maybe you could make the pose a bit more dynamic. Maybe add some sort of harness for the plague bearers. Also if you ever need something plague ridden and can't find something worthy that's nurgle themed then maybe you could use some clan pestilens plague monks or similar which are basically nurgle rats. That said i'm more waiting till skaven get yet another re-release before plague monks, other elite units, many weapons teams and characters get a much needed facelift. I do find that nurgle and plague monks could be fairly inter-change-able if somebody so chose.

Put nurglings on top of the fly, instead of plaguebearers, maybe?

I would personally proxy the Flies themselves as FW Blight Drones as they are simply too expensive from FW imho.
/shrug