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 Janthkin wrote:
Put nurglings on top of the fly, instead of plaguebearers, maybe?

I really really like that idea! The thought of giving the nurglings swords that are bigger than they are also makes me smile, but it might look a little too silly...

And ironically, I already have three Blight Drones, so I may end up proxying them the other way around to try the new flies...

Evileyes wrote:

 4oursword wrote:
The heralds kinda look too much like the plastic models they are emulating...

Gawd guy's, space marine sergeant's look too much like space marines.

I get your point, I do. But it's different in this case, and maybe it's just not been explained better. I think sergeants do stand out in a lot of really visible ways - they have a chainsword or power weapon, they generally have bare heads (or an alternately-painted helmet), they often have a better mark of armor, and a pistol instead of a boltgun generally, and possibly a banner on the backpack. I think if you look at a squad of marines, you can immediately tell who is an elite vs a standard trooper.



I think it's less so with the Nurgle Herald - I think he simply blends in too well with the other plaguebearers.



But I'm not really sure on the scale. If he's substantially taller, that might work. Right now I think all you can do is paint him in slightly different shade, and that's just not good enough for a model that costs $25 or whatever, vs those other models that are $3 each.

I really want to buy the korne mower and green stuff some electric gitars on the two guys in the front. think it would look fun

So if the idea is that this was hurried to get rid of the last remnants of Allesio's touch on WHFB and WH40k, does that mean we have a new Skaven book to look forward to before any other FB armies get updated? Because I can't wait for that. Definitely give me more updated 7e books for 8e. WOOOOOOO!!!

 blood lance wrote:

The one on the bottom left is going "Free chicken drum to the one who eats the marine first!"

(How do you make images smaller D: )

I think my favorite thing about this release is the fact some of the riders have no eyes, unless there are tiny little eye slits in there?

I think they have very small yellow eyes, just the one mind you. It could probably be painted like a pustule, skin or even sculpted over. Kind of want to make an army of blind plague bearers now...

 Ouze wrote:


But I'm not really sure on the scale. If he's substantially taller, that might work. Right now I think all you can do is paint him in slightly different shade, and that's just not good enough for a model that costs $25 or whatever, vs those other models that are $3 each.

Your herald was about 10% too small, if you match up the base sizes. That's not a huge difference. Here they are at what should be accurate relative size:

 Nagashek wrote:
So if the idea is that this was hurried to get rid of the last remnants of Allesio's touch on WHFB and WH40k, does that mean we have a new Skaven book to look forward to before any other FB armies get updated? Because I can't wait for that. Definitely give me more updated 7e books for 8e. WOOOOOOO!!!

You mean the Skaven book that was written by Jeremy Vetock?

I don't see how replacing it helps remove Allesio from the picture...

I think the heralds look a bit alike, but essentially they are just more powerful lessers. The heralds of Khorne are just ex Bloodletters that were chosen by Khorne himself an became more powerful.

Also, with the heralds, if you want to make them diverse, always remember that Chaos Daemons are convertible as feth! And this will always be... It may actually be waht GW is after, daemons' models are just a basis for what players to "improve" on or just express their own views of chaos. Hell, you could make horrors by filling a small tray with glue, throwing in some bitz and then mixing them up and letting them dry.

Take these models as a BLESSING or GIFT, and improve them as you wish.

Personally though, I love them. The Nurglesque herald is as sick-looking as it should be (or it COULD be more ickly, but I could always handle that meself), the Tzeenchian herald is just BEGGING for conversion, and you can do whatever you wish with the other two.

But one question: has Slaanesh been buffed in this dex? Because then I might be interested in starting a small daemons force someday.

vanadium322 wrote:
Your herald was about 10% too small, if you match up the base sizes. That's not a huge difference. Here they are at what should be accurate relative size:

Yeah.... that's a lot better. Thanks.

 Ouze wrote:

vanadium322 wrote:
Your herald was about 10% too small, if you match up the base sizes. That's not a huge difference. Here they are at what should be accurate relative size:

Yeah.... that's a lot better. Thanks.

Even so, he looks more like a nurgle plaguebearer champion than to me. I will be using this guy on a round base as my Herald of Nurgle.


He simply stands out much than new Herald. IMHO

I did post this link earlier, but it may have got a bit overwhelmed by all the excitement.

For those who want a little more variety in their daemons....

http://z7.invisionfree.com/wyrmling_x/index.php?showtopic=9270&st=0

Man, if I played nurgle or Slaanesh I'd be pretty upset about the heralds.

If I played Khorne I'd be stoked about the herald. Less so about the cannon. Because every time I look at it I see a penis or scrotum, and I'd wonder if it was just me.

40k-noob wrote:
Even so, he looks more like a nurgle plaguebearer champion than to me. I will be using this guy on a round base as my Herald of Nurgle.


He simply stands out much than new Herald. IMHO

Damn, that guy might actually make for a nice herald.

I think they are kinda' meant to be a basis for conversion (just a sad excuse). That way you can just take a herald model as a base and add your own extra bits from other kits and/or GS to make them stick out.

The nurgle plague things are pretty cool.

The other stuff is unimpressive.

GW really has lost it. They just do the same gimmick over and over again. No new Greater Daemon models is just WTF.

the whole army didn't need a redo, it was still powerful in its own right, but hey hand it to matt ward, the man who caused fantasy to need a total overhall, one many people didn't like and caused shrinking numbers in the game
oh and the models are ugly as sin (especially khorne and slaanesh, I admit the old bloodletters were static but they looked like proper fearsome demons, now they look like unrotted plague bearers, with too big a head.

Griever wrote:
The nurgle plague things are pretty cool.

The other stuff is unimpressive.

GW really has lost it. They just do the same gimmick over and over again. No new Greater Daemon models is just WTF.

Tell that to CSM players who are still waiting for Plastic TSons and Plaque Marines, and new Zerkers Sculpts+ new Abby and Kharn models( the 3 last are 15years old...)

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

Griever wrote:
The nurgle plague things are pretty cool.

The other stuff is unimpressive.

GW really has lost it. They just do the same gimmick over and over again. No new Greater Daemon models is just WTF.

Tell that to CSM players who are still waiting for Plastic TSons and Plaque Marines, and new Zerkers Sculpts+ new Abby and Kharn models( the 3 last are 15years old...)

Are you sure the plastic Berzerkers are 15 years old?

Closer to 12 but they are pretty old. They were one of the first plastic Chaos sets.

well damn............

the tzeentch disk is ok I guess but the rest....see this is the reason why Istocked up on metal daemonettes >.>

speaking of which that slaaneshi herlad....I'm out...I quit q.q

 Hulksmash wrote:
Closer to 12 but they are pretty old. They were one of the first plastic Chaos sets.

Plastic Noise Marines would have been nice....

...And another disappointing release to add to the record. And good god, those prices do not help things at all.

So are there any rumors as to what will be contained weapon wise in like a demonic armory? special weapons that can only be be brought once like they've done in the past few codex's?

Took 1st in local tournament today running the Screamer Flamer bomb I called "in before the nerf"
Im gonna miss ya :(

Speculation from what I have read.

Flamers and screamers are "Nerfed" if their stats stay the same, which is very likely except leadership will probably drop.

The loss of eternal warrior is a nerf. It's not catastrophic, but it's not minor.

Fearless turning into deamonic instability is a big cc nerf. It won't hurt screamers that hard because they inflict good combat res, but it should probably hurt flamers really good. The way instability/crumble works in fantasy is deamons/undead use their leadership stat (probably 7 or 8 for deamons)to make leadership tests when cc is lost just like a morale test, and instead of breaking they remove wounds with no saves whatsoever for every point they fail by. No saves=no invo, no FNP, no armor, nothing. Fantasy deamonic instability is 5th ed fearless on amphetamines.

Example based off speculation So if hammernaters charge flamers, flamers inflict 1 unsaved wound, termies inflict 4 unsaved wounds which ID 4 flamers, termies win by 7 combat res. Flamers take instability test at a -7 on leadership 7. They roll and 8 and the unit takes 8 more wounds for a total of 16 between 8 in cc damage and 8 in deamonic instability.

Deamonic instability + the loss of EW should be a healthy nerf to flamers.

Next: Loss of deamonic assault.
I don't think this one's a nerf. All those deamons are going to start on the table turn 1 with no mishaps. Flamers/screamers can deploy behind terrain and jump over on turn 1.

All of that being said I think the white dwarf rules were the final version of flamers and screamers except maybe for a new leadership stat.

Nurgle and shrouded V FNP. In melee FNP is definitely better. When being shot at most of the time shrouded is better. Against shooting single 3+ save is better than a pair of 5+, and a 2+ is way better. Shrouded units in ruins=2+ cover. Shrouded units in cover going to ground=2+ cover. If deamonic instability replaces fearless and doesn't prohibit going to ground plaguebearers are going to be even more difficult to shoot off an objective than they were in 5th ed or pre 6th ed codex 6th ed.

Heralds buffing a unit. Having a herald gives a unit in fantasy a unit wide bonus. That encourages large units to maximize the bonus. Large units of troops is a totally different direction than what most current 40k deamon armies do. Some of them, especially pink horrors can become very vulnerable to deamonic instability in large groups.

Anyhow the rumored changed sound interesting and fun. It sounds like it's going to be a powerful yet balanced 6th ed codex. Hopefully it has multiple competitive builds like the DA codex.

This release may be the push I needed to start a small Daemons Fantasy Army!

 schadenfreude wrote:


Next: Loss of deamonic assault.
I don't think this one's a nerf. All those deamons are going to start on the table turn 1 with no mishaps. Flamers/screamers can deploy behind terrain and jump over on turn 1.

They didn't lose it completely. It was said in the WD that all daemon units have deep strike. And it was also shown that icons still allow for deep strikers to not scatter. So now we can use fast units like the plague drones to move forward and get in a good position to allow units to deep strike up the board without worry. Kind of like demonic Ravenwing.

 wowsmash wrote:
I really want to buy the korne mower and green stuff some electric gitars on the two guys in the front. think it would look fun

Not guitars but a chain AXE

I think my favorite thing about this release is the fact some of the riders have no eyes, unless there are tiny little eye slits in there?

They have a single eye (or three on one of them), which is a common Nurgle mutation going back to the original Rogue Trader and Realm Of Chaos era.

Are you sure the plastic Berzerkers are 15 years old?

Yes, they are.

Closer to 12 but they are pretty old. They were one of the first plastic Chaos sets.

No, that's incorrect. They are indeed about 15 years old (released sometime in 1998).

 Janthkin wrote:
Plastic Noise Marines would have been nice....

And ones that looked like they were playing instruments brought back!