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Wow... Packers got jipped bad by the replacement officials...

Wow, just wow.

It's spelled "gypped", and it's a slur against gypsies.

But yeah, they got F'd even worse than the Patriots did last night. And I couldn't imagine that happening before I watched it.

I seriously need to stop watching this gak.

 Mannahnin wrote:
It's spelled "gypped", and it's a slur against gypsies.

But yeah, they got F'd even worse than the Patriots did last night. And I couldn't imagine that happening before I watched it.

I seriously need to stop watching this gak.

Yeah... no kidding. Hopefully this encourages the NFL to negotiate with the real refs.

(I thought that dakka would filter it, so I made it up! ) At least ya'll knew what I meant!

It's only going to get worse. This isn't gonna stop without a player in the hospital.

Couple games have ended on PURE gak calls now. Nothing new for the Lions but wide spread like this? Might even have to call the whole season invalid..

Screw you scabficials... And screw you too kronk for beating me with PICKING SEATTLE ;p all in friendly competition of course ;p

Like I said I will be starting my ban on watching NFL games now.

 whembly wrote:
Wow... Packers got jipped bad by the replacement officials...

you mean the Seahawks right?

That 3rd and short pass that Rodgers threw that was cleanly defended and the Ref's threw a flag for Pass Interference.

Did they even see the play?

The defender was clearly going for the ball, there was no penalty yet PI was called and that drive finished with the packers getting a TD they should not have had.

The ref's were good the first 3 quarters and stunk it up in the 4th quarter.

The Sehawks D played a great game and without that gift PI call the Packers would have lost the game anyway, so all is well.


P.S. how do you get back to the pick league, I could not find it after week 1.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
It's only going to get worse. This isn't gonna stop without a player in the hospital.

The problem here is, a player HAS been to the hospital. And that was just this week (he's already out, thank who ever you wish)

I gave up watching after the first half due to the game being boring as feth what with a penalty flag being thrown after almost every single play.
It seemed like they were trying to over-officiate at that point with some of those "calls", and then they botched it up big time when they missed a blaitent personal foul on the Seahawks and instead tossed the flag for a little rub in the face on the Packers...

At least i didn't see any highlights of the refs tossing their hats onto the field for no reason though!

 DeathReaper wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Wow... Packers got jipped bad by the replacement officials...

you mean the Seahawks right?

That 3rd and short pass that Rodgers threw that was cleanly defended and the Ref's threw a flag for Pass Interference.

Did they even see the play?

The defender was clearly going for the ball, there was no penalty yet PI was called and that drive finished with the packers getting a TD they should not have had.

The ref's were good the first 3 quarters and stunk it up in the 4th quarter.

The Sehawks D played a great game and without that gift PI call the Packers would have lost the game anyway, so all is well.


P.S. how do you get back to the pick league, I could not find it after week 1.

I disagree... BOTH teams got shafted throughout the game...

But the last sequence that lead to Seahawk's TD was horrid...

There was an offensive PI that spotted the ball around the 15 yard line...

Golden Tate PUSH a packers defender (blatent offensive PI if I ever seen one) in the back just before trying to catch the ball...

Then, replay after replay, it shows that the Packers player actually caught the ball... one ref said TD and other said no catch by Offensive player... the refs were a couple of feet apart .

And I say this as a NFC West Fan....

Both teams did get shafted on calls.

And the sequence that lead to the Packers TD was also horrid...

The Phantom PI call on the Seahawks that took a 3rd and short, and the subsequent punt the Packers would have had on that drive and turned it into a 1st down situation, and ended up with a Packers TD, was insane. That was a clean defensive play, yet they call PI.

So even if the Seahawks did not get that last TD, the packers should not have had theirs either, end result the same.

"Then, replay after replay, it shows that the Packers player actually caught the ball"
That is a joke right? Have you seen the video? both players have their hands on the ball, that is simultaneous possession and that goes to the Offense.

There were a lot of bad calls in the game though.

If I were a player I would donate part of my salary to get the regular ref's back on the field.

If anything though the result works out in the real refs favour (And by extension everyone else) as they now have this as a huge piece of leverage in their negotiations

 DeathReaper wrote:



P.S. how do you get back to the pick league, I could not find it after week 1.

Directly link: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/pickem/31753

Chancetragedy wrote:
. And screw you too kronk for beating me with PICKING SEATTLE ;p all in friendly competition of course ;p

Sorry, man. After watching Seattle's D manhandle the cowboys last week, I had to pick them versus your struggling Packers.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
If anything though the result works out in the real refs favour (And by extension everyone else) as they now have this as a huge piece of leverage in their negotiations

I'm betting that was their strategy. "After someone gets hurt or there is a series of f-uped games, they'll agree to our terms."

The NFL's strategy has been. "Pay the Refs? Why? The fans are too addicted to the NFL to stop watching. We can run any old scab out there. In fact, let's run out that guy from the Lingerie League... LOL!"

Time will tell who wins, but I'm betting the refs will get at least 90% of their demands when all is said and done.

So let's ignore phantom PI's. Cause those things happen with real refs too. So the Seahawks have been given an extra timeout, and a TD that they didn't deserve. The 9ers got an extra timeout/review or whatever. There were 6 fights in the pats v ravens game with no flags or warning. There have been multiple spots of the ball over 10 yards from where they should be. And a plethora of other stuff. I've been watching football for 15+ years with a good grasp on rules and such. And I cannot remember a time that even half of this crap has happened in the span of 3 weeks.

Ron Borges had an article saying how the owners would only have to give up 60k each for the next 6 years or something to get this done. How rediculous is that?

Chancetragedy wrote:


Ron Borges had an article saying how the owners would only have to give up 60k each for the next 6 years or something to get this done. How rediculous is that?

Absolutely ridiculous.

Give the Refs their money and let's move on.

I thought the big sticking point that had the real refs digging their heels in was that the NFL wants them to quit any current full-time job they have in order to get full coverage & a pension from the league?! (at least, that's how the Canadian media has been reporting it)

But at the same time, a large number of the officials apparently only make like $25000 - $40000/year, which makes it almost impossible for them to support a family if they're not allowed to seek out other work during the rest of the year that they're not actually on the field.

The outcome last night caused a $150-250 million swing in sports books.

So I'll say it again. Is the NFL completely comfortable that these guys -- who will likely go back to making peanuts reffing games in Division III college ball, etc. -- are above fixing games?

Not saying that was that's what happened in this case. But can we be reasonably sure?

Hmm I thought it was the pensions for certain guys. And that the nfl didn't want to grandfather in a bunch of the refs for a pension plan. I could totally be wrong about that though. Either way were talking about owners making million-billions of dollars and not wanting to give up thousands for the clearly essential referee's.

While I don't think that was the case in any particular game I've seen, can you imagine the repercussions that would follow a fixed game by the replacement refs?

That's honestly something I haven't thought about. Wow...

 kronk wrote:
While I don't think that was the case in any particular game I've seen, can you imagine the repercussions that would follow a fixed game by the replacement refs?

That's honestly something I haven't thought about. Wow...

And how would we know, especially when "errors" can be so easily chalked up to incompetence? The door is WIDE open.

Goodell is a joke. How can he talk so much about the integrity of the game and allow these kinds of dangers to fester?

 kronk wrote:
While I don't think that was the case in any particular game I've seen, can you imagine the repercussions that would follow a fixed game by the replacement refs?

That's honestly something I haven't thought about. Wow...

As much of a clown car as this season's becoming... hell I wouldn't be surprised at all at this point.

gorgon wrote:

 kronk wrote:
While I don't think that was the case in any particular game I've seen, can you imagine the repercussions that would follow a fixed game by the replacement refs?

That's honestly something I haven't thought about. Wow...

And how would we know, especially when "errors" can be so easily chalked up to incompetence? The door is WIDE open.

Goodell is a joke. How can he talk so much about the integrity of the game and allow these kinds of dangers to fester?

It's not so far above reasoning to me. I mean, what was it week 2 that the "Social Media" people caught a replacement ref sporting his favorite team's gear while on a vacation... a day before he was supposed to officiate that team? What if he hadn't been caught? Or, if he was caught, but only AFTER the Saints played (and lets say for arguments sake they actually won that game)?


I would also be surprised if Ed Hochuli (sp?) wasn't at the negotiating table, as he is himself, a lawyer when not in zebra costumes... then again, they may not want someone with biceps that big intimidating the owners?



Personally, I think that the refs should have their own contract yes, BUT that it should be directly tied to the players as well. I say this because many of the refs (back judge, umpire, etc.) are right in the thick of everything, and they aren't wearing pads. To be honest, that is quite the scary proposition, because most of the umpires are no where near as big as an NFL player (Ed H. aside of course). When you compare them with other contact sporting officials, the NFL guys I think have it worse. I mean, look at hockey (who may not be playing again) and Rugby Refs. In hockey they wear generally the same gear as players; And in Rugby, the Refs that I've seen tend to be as big and athletic as at least a third of the players on the field.

Hmm... Now that Obama has criticised the decisions will Romney come out in favour of Golden Tate and claim he was "Always a Seahawks fan"???

We needs some memes here...


Okay... this is pretty good:


Dawg picts!

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:


Personally, I think that the refs should have their own contract yes, BUT that it should be directly tied to the players as well. I say this because many of the refs (back judge, umpire, etc.) are right in the thick of everything, and they aren't wearing pads. To be honest, that is quite the scary proposition, because most of the umpires are no where near as big as an NFL player (Ed H. aside of course). When you compare them with other contact sporting officials, the NFL guys I think have it worse. I mean, look at hockey (who may not be playing again) and Rugby Refs. In hockey they wear generally the same gear as players; And in Rugby, the Refs that I've seen tend to be as big and athletic as at least a third of the players on the field.

As an on-ice Hockey official, I get my skates, helmet w/half-visor, 'girl's athletic support', shin pads & elbow pads.

I'm wearing nowhere near the same level of 'modernized full-plate armour' that the players are wearing, since my shin & elbow pads are also smaller than a player's for example... And pucks hurt alot when a player thinks you deserve to get hit by one!
True I've got more protection than any football official, but let's not kid ourselves that us hockey refs aren't going to get hurt just as easily as our football counterparts! For one thing, getting hit by an errant football isn't going to kill you. An errant slapshot, well, that can potentially kill you!

And while it's not quite official. Local radio stations and Adam Shefter are reporting the lockout is ALMOST OVER for the officials. They could be back as soon as this Sunday! FOOTBALL FOR THE FOOTBALL GOD!!!!!

Chancetragedy wrote:
And while it's not quite official. Local radio stations and Adam Shefter are reporting the lockout is ALMOST OVER for the officials. They could be back as soon as this Sunday! FOOTBALL FOR THE FOOTBALL GOD!!!!!

Thank the Football Gods! I guess the amount of anger over Monday night's result finally got the league to pay attention and pull their collective heads outa their arses!
Or else all it took was Obama saying the NFL needs the real refs back ASAP...

That was the strategy all along. Wait (and a little hope) for a bone-head, game changing call and then the NFL's hand will be forced.

 kronk wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:



P.S. how do you get back to the pick league, I could not find it after week 1.

Directly link: http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/pickem/31753

Weird, says I am not a member of that group, but I made week 1 picks, and tried to make week 2 picks and it said I was not a member.

Interesting...

anyone add me?