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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
Cypher, and the Fallen Angels would also be survivors of the heresy.

It's not a given that the current Cypher is the same Cypher that was running around during the HH. The Deathwatch RPG had fluff about a blackshield that was pretty obviously meant to be one of the fallen.

I believe the only loyalist that could be by fluff standards would be Bjorn.... other than that on the traitor legion side you have Abbaddon & possibly Cypher. But one you all haven't named that would have any sense of mind left would be Fabius Bile IIRC his fluff...

 SGrimhart wrote:
I believe the only loyalist that could be by fluff standards would be Bjorn.... other than that on the traitor legion side you have Abbaddon & possibly Cypher. But one you all haven't named that would have any sense of mind left would be Fabius Bile IIRC his fluff...

The 13th Company would also be loyalist witnesses...

Malcador is still alive !?

Garvy wrote:
Malcador is still alive !?

Who the hell said that?

He collapased into dust. Unless he was reanimated....

For the Necrons, the Triarch Praetorians never went into stasis, so they undoubtedly witnessed the Horus Heresy. Whether they understood how important those events where is unlikely but they where still around for it.

 Asherian Command wrote:

Garvy wrote:
Malcador is still alive !?

Who the hell said that?

He collapased into dust. Unless he was reanimated....

The only ones Imperial or ex-Imperial who would remember the Heresy or GCwould be

Bjorn the Fell Handed
Lion
Russ (if alive)
Khan( if alive)
Vulkan (if alive)
Abbadon
Lucius
Kharn
Fabius Bile
Ahriman
Typhus
Mortarion
Angron
Magnus
Fulgrim
Perturabo
Alpharius Omegon ( if either or both are alive)
Some of the older veteran, CSM

Grey Templar wrote:Dante is NOT 1,100 years old. He's been Chapter Master for 1,100 years. Nobody knows exactly how old he is(although he is surely the oldest)

The 6E rulebook specifically says 1.100 years of age, though.

Marthike wrote:I know the Custodes is not always talked about but don't you think some of them might be 10,000 years old?
I think that is a big possiability

Why is that?
I'm not quite sure if there was any precedent, but I think 40k is one of those settings where an unlimited lifespan is impossible - unless you "ascend" to daemonhood or have your essence transferred into a machine.
There exists technology that can prolong one's life, but not indefinitely.

daveNYC wrote:It's not a given that the current Cypher is the same Cypher that was running around during the HH. The Deathwatch RPG had fluff about a blackshield that was pretty obviously meant to be one of the fallen.

Depending where you look. The article in WD #281 doesn't leave much of a doubt concerning Cypher's identity, and the Deathwatch RPG takes a lot of liberties with the fluff in general. Starting with their version of the Deathwatch not even belonging to the Inquisition.

I agree with the sentiment that other than important characters, the largest number of witnesses to the Heresy would be any Traitor marines who fought during the conflict, and the Space Wolves 13th company who, unless there's been something new added after the 13th Crusade codex about how they replace their numbers, are entirely from the 1st founding of the Space Wolves.

Both being the only groups who could have seen it without being impossibly old, as, due to the time dilation effects of the Warp, they might remember it as if it were a hundred years ago.

 Deadshot wrote:
The only ones Imperial or ex-Imperial who would remember the Heresy or GCwould be

Bjorn the Fell Handed
Lion
Russ (if alive)
Khan( if alive)
Vulkan (if alive)
Abbadon
Lucius
Kharn
Fabius Bile
Ahriman
Typhus
Mortarion
Angron
Magnus
Fulgrim
Perturabo
Alpharius Omegon ( if either or both are alive)
Some of the older veteran, CSM

And the 13th Company

If anyone would take William King's Space Wolves novels as any sort of canon, then the 13th Company is still around and kicking, and barring the fully-turned wulfen, the ones leading the Wulfen pack are still fully remember the age of the Horus Heresy.

If anyone would take William King's Space Wolves novels as any sort of canon, then the 13th Company is still around and kicking, and barring the fully-turned wulfen, the ones leading the Wulfen pack are still fully remember the age of the Horus Heresy.

Well, even if the King books aren't taken as canon, the 13th company were a playable force during the 13th Black Crusade worldwide campaign, and had their own codex list. Which makes them plenty canon in my book, even if they are no longer supported as an army in 6e.

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
For the Necrons, the Triarch Praetorians never went into stasis, so they undoubtedly witnessed the Horus Heresy. Whether they understood how important those events where is unlikely but they where still around for it.

Good point. I haven't seen any posts regarding non-human witnesses yet either. But are the Praetorians/ Necrons 'living?'

Eldrad and his fellows probably predicted/ observed the HH.

Lynata wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Dante is NOT 1,100 years old. He's been Chapter Master for 1,100 years. Nobody knows exactly how old he is(although he is surely the oldest)

The 6E rulebook specifically says 1.100 years of age, though.

So as soon as he was born they popped him into some power armour and pushed him in front of the Blood Angels?

< Taken by the void dragon. >

 Decio wrote:

 TheCrazyCryptek wrote:
For the Necrons, the Triarch Praetorians never went into stasis, so they undoubtedly witnessed the Horus Heresy. Whether they understood how important those events where is unlikely but they where still around for it.

Good point. I haven't seen any posts regarding non-human witnesses yet either. But are the Praetorians/ Necrons 'living?'

Eldrad and his fellows probably predicted/ observed the HH.

Yes, the Triarch Praetorians have their personailties and minds still intact.

Maybe John Grammaticus could have reincarnated again. Other than that Deadshot's list pretty much covers the candidates.

There are hints at the end of Prospero Burns that the skald (forgotten his name) could still be alive, he voluntarily enters stasis on Fenris after the events of Prospero. I can't remember the exact reasons for him doing this as I haven't read it in ages but he should still be alive. He would certainly be able to give insight into certain areas of the heresies build up like Prospero and Nikea

Yeh that might be a good shout. Kasper Hauser. He goes into stasis so the Space Wolves can keep his "accounts" and they can be told to further generations of Space Wolves.

 Deadshot wrote:
The only ones Imperial or ex-Imperial who would remember the Heresy or GCwould be

Bjorn the Fell Handed
Lion
Russ (if alive)
Khan( if alive)
Vulkan (if alive)
Abbadon
Lucius
Kharn
Fabius Bile
Ahriman
Typhus
Mortarion
Angron
Magnus
Fulgrim
Perturabo
Alpharius Omegon ( if either or both are alive)
Some of the older veteran, CSM

Poor Corax...

 1hadhq wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
The only ones Imperial or ex-Imperial who would remember the Heresy or GCwould be

Bjorn the Fell Handed
Lion
Russ (if alive)
Khan( if alive)
Vulkan (if alive)
Abbadon
Lucius
Kharn
Fabius Bile
Ahriman
Typhus
Mortarion
Angron
Magnus
Fulgrim
Perturabo
Alpharius Omegon ( if either or both are alive)
Some of the older veteran, CSM

Poor Corax...

And Ferrus Manus

Corax is hiding somewhere. Just don't turn around.

So wait all of the fallen Primarchs unless I fail to see it were never killed were the gods like hey your a daemon prince now have fun!!

 n0t_u wrote:

Lynata wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:Dante is NOT 1,100 years old. He's been Chapter Master for 1,100 years. Nobody knows exactly how old he is(although he is surely the oldest)

The 6E rulebook specifically says 1.100 years of age, though.

So as soon as he was born they popped him into some power armour and pushed him in front of the Blood Angels?

I think it's more likely that either one of the two numbers was a mistake. Where is the Chapter Master thing from? It could be Grey Templar simply mis-remembering ... or if it is out of some novel, just one author mixing things up again.

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
There are hints at the end of Prospero Burns that the skald (forgotten his name) could still be alive, he voluntarily enters stasis on Fenris after the events of Prospero. I can't remember the exact reasons for him doing this as I haven't read it in ages but he should still be alive. He would certainly be able to give insight into certain areas of the heresies build up like Prospero and Nikea

Glorioski wrote:
Yeh that might be a good shout. Kasper Hauser. He goes into stasis so the Space Wolves can keep his "accounts" and they can be told to further generations of Space Wolves.

I would awake him now and then just so I can ask him about Russ ( then Bjorn wouldnt be only pissed stassis guy )

Ask him what? He didn't know much about Russ except that the guy is no stranger to a cover-up.

There is a DA space marine that was alive durring the heresy.

During a battle with the World Eaters he is thrown from the swirling mass of assault crafts and lost to his legion.

He has no choice but to wait for help while floating in space and noone ever comes.

He passes out and wakes up 10,000 years later at the edge of the Eye of Terror.

He is then discovered by a fallen and the two have some interesting conversations.

 Omegus wrote:
Ask him what? He didn't know much about Russ except that the guy is no stranger to a cover-up.

Yeh all his story is already laid out in Prospero Burns. If Jon Gramaticus reincarnated he would be more than interesting though.

Glorioski wrote:

 Omegus wrote:
Ask him what? He didn't know much about Russ except that the guy is no stranger to a cover-up.

Yeh all his story is already laid out in Prospero Burns. If Jon Gramaticus reincarnated he would be more than interesting though.