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Could there be a tagging system like the Swap Shop that prefaces a thread for it (such as [Kickstarter]) to make it easier to see?

 WarOne wrote:
Could there be a tagging system like the Swap Shop that prefaces a thread for it (such as [Kickstarter]) to make it easier to see?

This has been proposed more than once.

If you speak to any of the Swap Shop Mods, you will hear how much of a pain it is to enforce the (mandatory) Swap Shop thread titles rules, which have a clear and simple system for how to do them. There are 4 (i think) Swap Shop Mods, and all ive ever heard from any of them in regards to this subject (obviously, ive seen them speak on other subjects as well, this isnt all they talk about ) is how much of their time is spent editing other poeples posts/thread titles to be correct, and then messaging them to tell them that this has been done, and that is only one forum on the site....

The problem is is that most people wont do it, or will do it incorrectly which then forces a Mod to intervene, taking up their (precious procrastination) time...

 d-usa wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
I'm just going to say that there are more COMPLETED kickstarters in the News/Rumors section than news or rumors. There isn't any news in those threads anymore, and they should find a new home.

They include updates on ship times, updates on production, updated drawings/renders/sculpts, etc.

Which backers recieve through other outlets, such as direct communication from the companies. I'm all for current kickstarters getting attention through the News and Rumors, because they are indeed news. I'm all for a "Hey!!! We're shipping!" updates as well. I just think there needs to be somewhere else for 'Completed' discussions on them.

They include just as much news as any other thread in there, quite a few of them have more than the GW N&R threads which are often just wishlisting because there are no actual leaks.

And the mods lock those threads... why should the Kickstarter threads be different?

And just for comparison, the current total threads out of 50 on the first page:

14 Kickstarter/Indiegogo threads (28%)
10 GW threads (20%)

So Games Workshop takes up as much (and often more) threads in N&R than all the separate Kickstarter/Indiegogo threads combined.

One single company takes up almost as much real estate on page 1 as 14 separate companies who just happen to share the same funding source. If we break it down by actual companies we get what?

GW taking up 20%
14 companies taking up 2% each.

Yet everybody complains about these individual companies having their one thread when GW gets 10...

This comparison does nothing to counter my assertion that there is less news and rumors in the section than kickstarters. I think these companies might be better served with more, smaller threads in the News and Rumors section with an additional home for die-hard supporters on another section, similar to what Battlefront, Spartan, Corvus Belli, Mantic and Wyrd enjoy.

 WarOne wrote:
Could there be a tagging system like the Swap Shop that prefaces a thread for it (such as [Kickstarter]) to make it easier to see?

Pretty much every Kickstarter thread that has been posted in News and Rumours so far has had 'Kickstarter' in the thread title.


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 Anpu-adom wrote:
Which backers recieve through other outlets, such as direct communication from the companies. I'm all for current kickstarters getting attention through the News and Rumors, because they are indeed news. I'm all for a "Hey!!! We're shipping!" updates as well. I just think there needs to be somewhere else for 'Completed' discussions on them.

It's still valuable news for non-backers, since the thing holding a lot of people back from joining in Kickstarters is a perception that a lot of these projects have never actually been completed. Seeing the project actually underway is useful there.

And some of us just like seeing new stuff. I didn't back, for example, the Relic Knights kickstarter... but I still enjoy seeing the updates with the new minis. The fact that they were created for a Kickstarter in no way changes the fact that the thread includes pictures of upcoming miniature releases.

 insaniak wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Which backers recieve through other outlets, such as direct communication from the companies. I'm all for current kickstarters getting attention through the News and Rumors, because they are indeed news. I'm all for a "Hey!!! We're shipping!" updates as well. I just think there needs to be somewhere else for 'Completed' discussions on them.

It's still valuable news for non-backers, since the thing holding a lot of people back from joining in Kickstarters is a perception that a lot of these projects have never actually been completed. Seeing the project actually underway is useful there.

And some of us just like seeing new stuff. I didn't back, for example, the Relic Knights kickstarter... but I still enjoy seeing the updates with the new minis. The fact that they were created for a Kickstarter in no way changes the fact that the thread includes pictures of upcoming miniature releases.

And what would prevent you from following the thread if it was in a different section?

 Anpu-adom wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
Which backers recieve through other outlets, such as direct communication from the companies. I'm all for current kickstarters getting attention through the News and Rumors, because they are indeed news. I'm all for a "Hey!!! We're shipping!" updates as well. I just think there needs to be somewhere else for 'Completed' discussions on them.

It's still valuable news for non-backers, since the thing holding a lot of people back from joining in Kickstarters is a perception that a lot of these projects have never actually been completed. Seeing the project actually underway is useful there.

And some of us just like seeing new stuff. I didn't back, for example, the Relic Knights kickstarter... but I still enjoy seeing the updates with the new minis. The fact that they were created for a Kickstarter in no way changes the fact that the thread includes pictures of upcoming miniature releases.

And what would prevent you from following the thread if it was in a different section?

This goes back to the main mantra of Lego and Yak, which is, don't divert traffic to other or new sections if it's not going to generate enough on it's own.

1 of 2 things will happen
1) You make a new Kickstarter Forum and no one goes there, and it gets a little bit of traffic, and basically becomes a waste. Any N&R threads that are KS threads would have to be moved and that gets added to the mods' workloads.

2) The N&R forum loses far too much traffic because there isn't much actual news going on in that forum, and the KS booms, and people will ask why N&R exists if it's so slow.

You want an example of a GW thread that has very little "news" Look at the Black Library Thread. Yes there is stuff being constantly announced, but the majority of the pages contain discussions of the books that have been released, and a page or two on the latest stuff being released. but it's w/e

 Anpu-adom wrote:
And what would prevent you from following the thread if it was in a different section?

No more than would prevent me from following any other News thread that was inexplicably moved to a different section.

This is ultimately what it boils down to - Some people feel that threads about Kickstarter projects should be treated differently to other news threads... but have so far not provided any actual reason for this to be the case, beyond 'But I don't like reading about Kickstarters!'

News is News. So long as the mods feel that a thread continues to contain newsworthy content, it will remain in News and Rumours. If it reaches a point where this is no longer the case, we will consider locking it or moving it to the appropriate discussion board.

But we are not about to start parceling up the News and Rumours board into separate sections, because that serves no purpose other than to dilute the entire board. Make it harder for casual browsers to do so, and they just don't bother. If you don't want to read about kickstarters, then just don't open threads that are about kickstarters.

 zedmeister wrote:
I'll put what I put in another thread not too long ago (asking for gw news and other news to be split into different forums). If it wasn't for the current dakkadakka way of combining news into one forum, I wouldn't have discovered most of the new companies and miniatures I'm now buying and enjoying.

Compare to how warseer do things - many different news boards split up across the forums - it's hard to keep track and theres no interest amongst the users in attempting to discover alternatives. Keeping it in one forum will make it easier to discover new stuff and encourage people to branch out from the traditional 40k/fantasy/lotr three.

This is an interesting topic since Dakkadakka and the infamous Warseer have been two of my most visited wargaming sites.

When it comes to GW Warhammer news, Warseer wins for me because of their forum layout since I can get to the game news I want quickly. If I've been out of the hobby for a while its much easier to load up their Warhammer News forum and read the tightly moderated threads they have.

When it comes to general wargaming, Dakkadakka wins because the even more infamous GW can't even do anything about the site name much less dictate content. Dakkadakka's management and community is mostly outstanding so it more than works.

And when it comes to making money off sites, clumping the threads all in one forum is the way to go for traffic especially sinces its a different method from rival sites. Over at Warseer I recommended having a stickied pricing thread in their GW forum, it may not do much to help traffic but it helps the mods/community I suppose that were tired of threads that were basically broken records.

I can understand being annoyed by kickstarters since it brings about a lot of different attitudes and perceptions, and the whole "GW vs non-GW vs indie stuff".

Personally I think as long as the thread title is obviously a Kickstarter/GW/etc its good for the user that's trying to find information for the stuff they're interested in rather than clicking blind although plenty of users like to do that too.

TLDR: Thread identification good

Why doesn't someone set up a proposal in the discussion board and invite the people running kickstarter/indiegogo threads. Ask them nicely if they wouldn't mind adding a tag to their thread title and see how it goes for a while. Collect some fair info afterwards then come back here and just show your findings, prove your points.

It's all very good wanting something but want doesn't get. I sometimes get the impression that people think something like the Infinity Sub-Forum just comes about because someone in power likes the subject. A lot of community effort went into that and it's not been abandonned since we succeeded.

Give something to the community instead of asking for something is what I'm saying. Anyway /rant, I don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers, it's just the way I go about things.

i've yet to see a Crowdfunding thread that didn't say 'Kickstarter' or 'Indiegogo' on it...

 Cyporiean wrote:
i've yet to see a Crowdfunding thread that didn't say 'Kickstarter' or 'Indiegogo' on it...

True dat, it's how I locate them when I want to see if there are any new ones that take my fancy. Honestly I can't see that any change is needed but maybe I'm in a minority.

yeah,

 insaniak wrote:

 Anpu-adom wrote:
And what would prevent you from following the thread if it was in a different section?

No more than would prevent me from following any other News thread that was inexplicably moved to a different section.
...'But I don't like reading about Kickstarters!'... News is News.

Except when it's just continuous bumps about nothing that keeps taking up space in the front page...
Should we press the alert button on a kickstarter thread every time someone asks 'are the minis ready yet' and have the thread locked?

I think moving completed kickstarters to discussions is a valid option as most of content after completion is chatter discussing how the kickstarter is being fulfilled
The 'news' isn't really news, more confirmations of stuff we expected to happen, sculpts we knew were in the pipe line because we paid for them to be made.
Shipping on time/late ... *yawn*

Panic...

 Cyporiean wrote:
i've yet to see a Crowdfunding thread that didn't say 'Kickstarter' or 'Indiegogo' on it...

BEHOLD!