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 Absolon wrote:
My guess GW has contractually agreed to only release Hobbit stuff in Dec. That would leave a Nov release with no tease or WD support, and I just don't see that happening.

Just because November is including some WoC releases doesn't mean it couldn't also have DA releases. Less likely, but still possible.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I am going to laugh so hard when this Ward marine facemelter hits the shelves and the "new balanced direction" exemplified by the new weaksauce CSM codex folks have been touting lasts all of 1 codex release. I predict DA psychic powers will make Tzeentch want to headbutt my dog until they both scream.

Also looking forward to the Secret Fists.

Weak sauce CSM? Clearly you haven't seen Nurgle marked everything with Epidemius yet...

>Doesn't think CSM is weaksauce.
>Mentions a unit from a different Codex to show how it isn't.
>Fails to see the irony of that.


Sorry Ozzy, but pointing out a combination from a different Codex in no way makes CSM a powerful 'Dex and, as always, Doobie is spot on with his comments. I predict that Azreal will give Ahriman a run for his money.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
>Doesn't think CSM is weaksauce.
>Mentions a unit from a different Codex to show how it isn't.
>Fails to see the irony of that.

I want to play too.. (not directed at you H)
> Think overpowered codex is bad for gameplay
> Say my codex deserve to be one
Because every other race was powerful all the time so they do not have to be powerful. Special Snowflake Syndrome go!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
>Doesn't think CSM is weaksauce.
>Mentions a unit from a different Codex to show how it isn't.
>Fails to see the irony of that.


Sorry Ozzy, but pointing out a combination from a different Codex in no way makes CSM a powerful 'Dex and, as always, Doobie is spot on with his comments. I predict that Azreal will give Ahriman a run for his money.

Also not everyone is a nurgle player or willing to take allies, just further highlights the flaws with the book.

I agree...wish Ward had written CSM instead of doing Dark Angels, at least we wouldn't have had the half excuse we have, broken or not.

 Ozymandias wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
I am going to laugh so hard when this Ward marine facemelter hits the shelves and the "new balanced direction" exemplified by the new weaksauce CSM codex folks have been touting lasts all of 1 codex release. I predict DA psychic powers will make Tzeentch want to headbutt my dog until they both scream.

Also looking forward to the Secret Fists.

Weak sauce CSM? Clearly you haven't seen Nurgle marked everything with Epidemius yet...

How long until the daemons codex gets redone? Fzorgle is gone. Why would tally survive?

CSM codex was GW basically doubling down on the gavdex. If DA is GW doubling down on the jervisdex I will stand corrected. But for some reason I just can't imagine Ward doing that.

I played CSM with the 3.5 dex... And IMHO, it was way, way OP... I absolutely hated the nerf-herder dex that just went the way of the dodo... And actually rather like the new CSM dex...
I have always been a Chaos Dread fan... AND the last dex made them worse than useless... AND the new one made them shiny again!!!

But I'm still jonesing for a new DA dex.

whoadirty wrote:

 Absolon wrote:
It looks like the release has already slid into 2013, so who knows

They could still slip them in late November or early December.

That would be the first December Codex release that I've ever heard of. Not likely, but possible, I suppose.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Said character is pretty inexpensive and the fact that he gives you access to FNP for one squad (for an additional cost but not huge) and can have a TH/SS for free is pretty good.

Anyway I'm not denying that you guys are working with an older codex but honestly you guys made it out of 6th not only relatively unscathed but in some ways even stronger, whereas a great many of other armies got weaker due to power weapon nerfs or cover save reductions.

I'm just looking forward to my friend who is playing Dark Angels with his new Ward "facemelter" codex (props to Abadabadoobaddon) against my "balanced" Chaos codex.

Belial also kind of sucks. He's okay, but he's basically just a Space Marine captain who has to take a TH/SS to get a decent invuln save, yet can't get Eternal Warrior or any survivability if he wants to take advantage of his I5. And getting FNP in one Terminator squad is nice, but hardly gamebreaking.

Dark Angels didn't come out much worse for 6th than they did for 5th, but that has more to do with the fact that Terminators are better now than anything really specific in their codex. Space Wolves Logan's Heroes lists with lots of Terminators are about as strong, and a Space Marine list with lots of Terminators will do just fine as well. The rest of the Dark Angels codex is an overpriced mess without any options.

H.B.M.C. wrote:>Doesn't think CSM is weaksauce.
>Mentions a unit from a different Codex to show how it isn't.
>Fails to see the irony of that.


Sorry Ozzy, but pointing out a combination from a different Codex in no way makes CSM a powerful 'Dex and, as always, Doobie is spot on with his comments. I predict that Azreal will give Ahriman a run for his money.

This is 6th edition man, the concept of a single codex has changed. Hell, I started running Azrael with 50 guardsmen, my DA just got a lot more competitive.

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

How long until the daemons codex gets redone? Fzorgle is gone. Why would tally survive?

CSM codex was GW basically doubling down on the gavdex. If DA is GW doubling down on the jervisdex I will stand corrected. But for some reason I just can't imagine Ward doing that.

I thought you hated fzorgle? Hence the calling of it fzorgle. Now it's gone and you're moaning it's loss...

But I gotta stop, arguing with you two is giving me flashbacks to six years ago...

An overpriced mess, this describes the Dark Angels codex very well at the moment. At this point I'd even be happy if Cruddace wrote it. To put it in the words of Dr. Evil, just throw me a frickin' bone here!

Just make us relevant again.

LET ME USING MY FRICKIN PLASMA PA ARMY!

As long as it has the options to competitively run as a regular MEQ list in addition to DW and RW, I'll be happy...and isn't completely OTT on the power curve...but that might be too much to hope for.

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
As long as it has the options to competitively run as a regular MEQ list in addition to DW and RW, I'll be happy...and isn't completely OTT on the power curve...but that might be too much to hope for.

Agreed. I love DW/RW but i long to use some actual SPACE MARINES for once. And maybe even some scouts that aren't a totally useless elite slot? Hopefully some of the 'new' shiny units will be power armor wearing dudes who look awesome. Then I can let my terminators be troops and my power armor be the elites. Dat role reversal.

-VardenV2

 VardenV2 wrote:

 Maelstrom808 wrote:
As long as it has the options to competitively run as a regular MEQ list in addition to DW and RW, I'll be happy...and isn't completely OTT on the power curve...but that might be too much to hope for.

Agreed. I love DW/RW but i long to use some actual SPACE MARINES for once. And maybe even some scouts that aren't a totally useless elite slot? Hopefully some of the 'new' shiny units will be power armor wearing dudes who look awesome. Then I can let my terminators be troops and my power armor be the elites. Dat role reversal.

-VardenV2

An inner circle power armour unit plox. With swords, plasma guns and stormbolters.

DakotaBlue wrote:

An inner circle power armour unit plox. With swords, plasma guns and stormbolters.

So basically veterans, which are already an option? I mean, they don't have all of those things on each dude (unless you pay serious points) but they can take a lot of stuff.

Well according to Stickmonkey we are not getting DA until next year.

I call shenanigans myself, but we will have to see.

Sorry fellow Dark Angels fans, but our boys are not in Novembers WD....not even a hint.. Novembers release is indeed WoC...lots of them. But for those in Oz at least the mini update / supplement will not be released with novs WD...apparently there was some delay in getting them printed.

And December is the Hobbit.

DAMMIT!!!

Oh well... I better start getting good with my Deathwing before the dex comes out.

Annoying that we have to wait for longer but that means I can save more and indulge in my impulse buying like a true capitalist pig!

Considering I've got two Dark Vengeance sets worth of Dark Angels to paint, I can stomach the wait

Yeah, it was either November or January. November seems too soon but January is ssoooooooooo far away X_X. Oh well.

I am away at college anyway so I can't really get a game in, but I was hoping to have a whole month of Christmas break at home where I could build and paint and play with my new shiny Dark Angels... sigh... looks like it's gonna be the summer then -.-

-VardenV2

Looks like the reliable rumor mongers have posted on BOLS that codex Dark Angels is now in the April 2013 slot. Hopefully it doesn't slip to the summer release slot at this rate

Yeah, Stickmonkey just laid out his vision for dates on releases. This is really his weakest mongering style though. Oh well.

Doesn't look like we'll be seeing anything about them for a while. Oh well, I suppose it gives me time to further touch up the new Tac squads I'm actually getting for DA

We have waited this long for a new dex....we can wait a little longer.. The unforgiven are patient.

 Brother SRM wrote:

DakotaBlue wrote:

An inner circle power armour unit plox. With swords, plasma guns and stormbolters.

So basically veterans, which are already an option? I mean, they don't have all of those things on each dude (unless you pay serious points) but they can take a lot of stuff.

Yup, exactly what we got but with some spice on it, like preferred enemy or something, and being as costy as purifiers, for example.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Considering I've got two Dark Vengeance sets worth of Dark Angels to paint, I can stomach the wait

This, I got two thousand points to work on, I can wait XD

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:
Considering I've got two Dark Vengeance sets worth of Dark Angels to paint, I can stomach the wait

This, I got two thousand points to work on, I can wait XD

I'm in the same boat. A dozen bikers, twenty marines, ten terminators, special characters, et al. It'll take a while to get them to all done with my every other day painting schedule.

I'm saddened it'll be a while for our codex, but at the same time it allows me to have my army ready to go by the time it's out and put something nice looking on the table.

(I hate fielding partially painted armies)

Fuuuuuu - I don't want to wait that long! I guess I will be getting lots of Orks for Christmas and my birthday in March if this is true. W/e. I like my DA enough as they are, but I want NEW stuff. I have been playing basically the same list for what feels like a decade. I added in some Black Templar allies to change things up a bit and I guess this gives me plenty of time to gather and paint that portion of my army... but still, grrrrrrr.

-VardenV2