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Dark Eldar Archon get it. Being fragile theirs breaks upon failure but I don't think it is too far a stretch of the imagination to believe that Marines could be given a superior version of something that a Xenos army has.

I really like the sound of the Lion-themed Terminators. If GW do a Terminator or new DA upgrade sprue I hope that bits for Lionators would be included

I really hate the sound of Lion-themed Terminators.

This is just silly. Terminators are SUPPOSED to be Elite within elite. But that's not enough, now we get Elite-Terminators (Elite within Elite within Elite) and even more powerful Elite-Elite-Terminators (...). Lets not even mention "arms race" this sparks between codices. Obviously, codex Marines and Black Templars now also need their elite^2 Terminator units. And when time comes to write new Grey Knight codex, Paladins have to be buffed as they're no longer anything specials compared to Uber-terminators of other books. Before long, we are going to have super-mega-elite-hyper-terminators with WS6 BS6, 2++, 3 wounds and EW.

These new rumours sound great for my planned DW army with small support from a speeder sqaudron and one or two tac squads. 2+inv on belial sounds ott though

Well, if Ward really wants a FOC full of Terminators perhaps DA will get a Fortification that spawns D6 Terminators per turn? Or a huge walking fortress-cum-Terminator....

tuiman wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I don't think there will be a 2++ on Belial. I don't know of anything off the top of my head (even in Apoc) that has a 2++.

These seem a little far-fetched.

Warding stave for grey knights (I know its not the same thing but its still a 2++) and the armor you can get for a dark eldar archon

It could even be something like a warding stave, will have to wait and find out I guess

Yeah, but those both have drawbacks. I'm thinking of the lines of a flat out 2++ save. I could see something like the warding staff, but a flat out 2++.

What's Vulkan Hestans save?
Doesn't the celestine have a 2++?

Celestine has a normal 2+ and a 4++.

Doesn't eldrad have a 2++ rerollable?

A 3++.. which he can use Fortune on to make it re-rollable.

PredaKhaine wrote:
What's Vulkan Hestans save?
Doesn't the celestine have a 2++?

Celestine is 2+ armour save & 4++ invuln.
Vulkan has a 3+ armour & 3++ invuln.

Hell, even Chaos Daemons - the army of invulnerable save, only have 3++ at best! -this crap if DA's get a stupid 2++ on a character...

Mind you, I believe this could likely happen because, well, look who's writting the book. I love GW's new balanced model of books for both Fantasy & 40k. Too bad it looks like it's about to get fethed up by one moron though...

We don't know that for sure yet. Rumors are just that, rumors. While I understand that he-who-shall-not-be-named is basically a hat, I am going to give him one last shot. I DO like the chaos dex and the overall direction that has been taken. I am hoping that GW understands that they have been starting to actually make people happy and tone down the stupid stuff that appears in some of the more...unpopular codices.

I really hope that Codex: Dark Angels isn't just Codex:Raven/Deathwing. I myself like those list options but it would be a shame to have the DA be a non PA army.(again.)

Not to stop the hate wagon, but GK and Necrons are actually faring quite well from a balance standpoint and BA/SM are a bit below that. Keep raging against Ward though.

Experiment 626 wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
What's Vulkan Hestans save?
Doesn't the celestine have a 2++?

Celestine is 2+ armour save & 4++ invuln.
Vulkan has a 3+ armour & 3++ invuln.

Cheers


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 pretre wrote:
Not to stop the hate wagon, but GK and Necrons are actually faring quite well from a balance standpoint and BA/SM are a bit below that. Keep raging against Ward though.

WAAARD!

(sorry, saw the post above and thought I'd better keep my hand in...)

Liking the idea of lion themed terminators. Made my command squad with Scribor lion heads and shoulder pads some time ago. Now all we need is to get some attack lions

 Absolon wrote:
Liking the idea of lion themed terminators. Made my command squad with Scribor lion heads and shoulder pads some time ago. Now all we need is to get some attack lions

You could use the high elf ones mixed in with Space Wolf thunderwolf bionic leg bits in the meantime for a double dose of heresy.

The problem is that Calibanite Lions weren't actual "lions" in any real sense.

They were chimera styled creatures, with no two being the same.

 Kanluwen wrote:
The problem is that Calibanite Lions weren't actual "lions" in any real sense.

They were chimera styled creatures, with no two being the same.

Hey maybe everyone will stop complaining about Thunderwolves [for about 5 min]

There are no lions on caliban . *ducks*

Or the rock

I liked Thunder Wolves. They make sense in the context of Space Wolves...

Well, at least until they started being ridden.

But Calibanite Lions were all products of the Warp taint on Caliban, and have more in common with the monsters infesting Ulthuan in Warhammer Fantasy than lions proper.

ellis_esquire wrote:
There are no lions on caliban . *ducks*

You mean there is no Caliban for Lions. Except for the rock, of course.

Experiment 626 wrote:

PredaKhaine wrote:
What's Vulkan Hestans save?

Vulkan has a 3+ armour & 3++ invuln.

Vulkan has a 2+ (artificer armor) and 3++ (crazy cape)


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I am guessing that the x2 Str power sword is probably wrong, it's more than likely just the +2 Str that he has currently.

It might be S8, but it sounds like it will still be AP3 so he will need help vs 2+ armor.

Well, 2++ tend to be rare and usually limited in some other ways, but they do exist: Ghaz, Dark Eldar Archon, GK Staff, etc..

Dark Angels may or may not get it.

At some point however, some future army surely will get it.

Now I'm worried if I should bother getting a TAC squad for Dark Angels or waiting to see if they'll get a specific infantry box. And, while I do know that there is an "upgrade" kit, I'm rather unimpressed with the five poses that are in said kit.

Big lion-themed armour... where have I seen that before?

Oh oh I know! They could make them into walkers of different colour and have them combine together to form a bigger walker!

http://cyrildason.com/wp-content/uploads/voltron.jpg

There's also the whole thing about the Atramentar from ADB's Night Lords novel having a roaring lion/cougar head for their shoulderpads...

The idea of heraldic animals is nothing new, and I definitely like it. At least as long as it's restricted to the Deathwing or Inner Circle.

All hail the Liontron!!! Hail! Hail! HAIL!!!!

The Scibor lion themed stuff is really tight... And I do believe that MY opinion of the models is that they would be awesome... But fluff-wise, it wouldn't make sense... And I think that the cavalry concept is a little silly for a Spess Mahren... More of an IG thing... Or Khorne, of course... Well, maybe less silly than I had originally imagined... Okay, fine... Not as silly for mechanical steeds, anyway...

OOOOH!!! Lion-speeders... Not quite jet-bikes... Not quite lions... Their fuel is mostly soy-based meat-substitute... And then, although no wounds are caused, their thrust-exhaust causes units passed over to make panic tests (as for shooting), or be forced to flee 2d6" in a random direction to get out of the affected area, and are treated as pinned in the following round as they are retching violently... They are capable of be used as a standard bike (can be scoring) as they have legs and can walk on the ground; and as jet-bikes (ignores terrain, however starting or stopping in difficult terrain requires a dangerous terrain test).

Lion-speeders FTW!!!

Those rumors sound like absolute malarky.

 pretre wrote:
Not to stop the hate wagon, but GK and Necrons are actually faring quite well from a balance standpoint and BA/SM are a bit below that. Keep raging against Ward though.

6th contained a significant quantity of nerfs against GK. Power weapon nerfs made it so that halberds can be countered in CC relatively easily by just using Terminators, and hull points cut a lot of the cheese out of Fortitude.

In any case, if Ward is trying to temper his work and balance dexes, then that's great.