Dark Angels Rumors thread: Update 11/25

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**12thRonin**

gorgon wrote:
Nvs wrote:
The plasma gun he's referring to is likely just the plasma cannon terminators we've been hearing about for months. Perhaps it's not a plasma cannon but rather just an assault 3 plasma gun type deal.

There used to be a Plasma Blaster back in 2nd edition...was more or less a twinlinked plasma gun (note that TLing was different back then).

It was not a twin linked gun in 2nd edition (the card specifically said it was not linked). It was a plasma gun with 2 sustained fire dice.

**SickSix**

*Deathwing Box Set: Comes with 3 options; Normal DW Terminator Squad, Command/HQ Squad with Banner and Apothecary, and an Elite Squad with Plasma Cannon options

This sounds awsome! I wonder if it will still only be $50...

**gorgon**

12thRonin wrote:
gorgon wrote:
Nvs wrote:
The plasma gun he's referring to is likely just the plasma cannon terminators we've been hearing about for months. Perhaps it's not a plasma cannon but rather just an assault 3 plasma gun type deal.

There used to be a Plasma Blaster back in 2nd edition...was more or less a twinlinked plasma gun (note that TLing was different back then).

It was not a twin linked gun in 2nd edition (the card specifically said it was not linked). It was a plasma gun with 2 sustained fire dice.

I stand corrected, although the differences between TL plasma guns and the plasma blaster were minor. Still, the point remains that it was a high rate of fire terminator plasma weapon that could easily make a comeback for DA, given the studio's recent habit of resuscitating RT/2nd ed gear.

**Ronin_eX**

And the best part is that it would be Dark Angels stealing something introduced by the Ultramarines! Though open to all the Plasma Blaster was introduced in Codex: Ultramarines and was used by Captain Invictus. After losing so many things to vanilla armies after all these years, getting something from them as a unique feature would be hilarious.

**H.B.M.C.**

You're right. It was something Invictus had.

But FW just started putting Plasma Blasters into their HH books, so we might not get them in the DA book as well.

**Drunkspleen**

Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm not liking the sounds of these supposed Elite/Heavy termie options... BS5 dudes with assault 4 AND special ammo?!

5 of them better cost about 500+ pts or else there's going to be little point in playing against these guys if you can't hide in tanks the whole game.

It makes sense then, this is their way to bolster their failing transport sales.

**Goliath**

Brother Captain Alexander wrote:
via Master Sheol on Warseer
About DA models... A guy in the italian forum i go told that a friend of him saw some new DA models...
I think this must be taken with a huge amount of salt but this is the rumor...

DW box in DV style...
Veteran unit in PA + robes with guns an shields and a lot of blings...
Belial model in a very cool TDA...

The other guy who gave the rumors of multiple DW units said

Élite DW CC unit can purchase one of the following upgrades: BS5, some kind of reroll in H2H, some kind of bonus for DS...

Heavy support termies can swap PF for a second SB (assault4), sternguard ammo and peculiar heavy weapons (AC with "plasma" ammo or something like that) and take one of the following upgrades: BS5, some kind of reroll against veichles, full BS of charged...

Please take all this rumors with a HUGE amount of salt... They are not mine... I am just reporting and translating them from italian sources...

Ok, I like dual Storm Bolter options; seems rahter cool.

But Plasma Ammo?
Can someone please explain to me how the hell do you conceal plasma in a shell than fire it trough your Assault Cannon?

I'll be honest here, I don't paticularly mind about the options, as long as the models look prettyful.

Especially the character models.
I really do hope that Belial gets a character model with this update, and even more so that the model actualy looks nice, he's one of the characters that I like the concept of the most, and provided the excecution is correct (About a 70/30 good/bad chance I'd say, given GW's recent form), would be an almost instant buy for me.

Also, in answer to your question, I'd assume something along the lines of miniaturised plasma grenades as bullets. Either that or just being a plasma weapon that fires loads and loads of really small plasma charges.

**Brother SRM**

Drunkspleen wrote:
Experiment 626 wrote:
I'm not liking the sounds of these supposed Elite/Heavy termie options... BS5 dudes with assault 4 AND special ammo?!

5 of them better cost about 500+ pts or else there's going to be little point in playing against these guys if you can't hide in tanks the whole game.

It makes sense then, this is their way to bolster their failing transport sales.

That's just asinine. Transports still work very well in 6th edition, and making one specific unit that can shoot pretty well solely to sell more transports makes no sense whatsoever.

**Drunkspleen**

Brother SRM wrote:
That's just asinine. Transports still work very well in 6th edition, and making one specific unit that can shoot pretty well solely to sell more transports makes no sense whatsoever.

Just a joke, but you can't deny, even if transports still work, the reputation of the ubiquitous rhino has taken a hit in the eyes of many gamers.

**kronk**

The First Blood secondary objective does make Rhinos a liability, but I will still use the hell out of them!

**DakotaBlue**

kronk wrote:
The First Blood secondary objective does make Rhinos a liability, but I will still use the hell out of them!

I stopped using rhinos since the first blood thing. But I play GK, maybe it will be different with DA, though I'd preffer to deepstrike atm, and wait to see the DA fliers.

**Cyrax**

GWtilea wrote:
- Whirlwind will get recut with a third missile rack with a single big missile (AA skyhammer option?)
- Two new flyers - one smaller and one bigger (rumored Darktalon and Nephilim from BL book?)

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?24243-DA-Rumours

**Zweischneid**

Ronin_eX wrote:
And the best part is that it would be Dark Angels stealing something introduced by the Ultramarines!

/shrug

Ultramarines should be used to that. After all, Dark Angels stole Veteran Squads, Attack Bikes, Landspeeders, Whirlwinds, HQ-units in Terminator Armour and a whole host of other stuff from UM in 2nd

**Davespil**

I was hoping for DA codex after the SM codex so they don't get screwed again 6 months down the road when the SM Codex comes out and units that are the same or similar in both codexes are bettter in the SM codex because GW wants to go in a new direction.

I don't play much SM really but I think they should be the first codex done each edition to use as a measuring stick for every other codex (Marine or not).

**delboi87**

looks like its gona be jan white dwarf for new da info

**Kroothawk**

75hastings69 wrote:I did hear the chaplain fron DV would be available as a clampack but no idea when.

**Maverick421**

DakotaBlue wrote:
kronk wrote:
The First Blood secondary objective does make Rhinos a liability, but I will still use the hell out of them!

I stopped using rhinos since the first blood thing. But I play GK, maybe it will be different with DA, though I'd preffer to deepstrike atm, and wait to see the DA fliers.

I'm with you, I'm very interesting in seeing new DA flyers if any.

**Spaced**

There is no WD release in December. The calendar in this months WD says it will be released 5th January, putting models etc 2 weeks after? A proper pain in the

as I am taking my Dark Angels to the Battle Brothers tourny a week later and will have to completely redo my army!

**H.B.M.C.**

I guess they really don't want anyone to see those DA's before they hit the shelves. Easily the most ham-fisted and nonsensical marketing 'strategy' (if you can call it that) in the world. I've never seen a company so petrified of promoting their own products!

**gobbledog**

Sorry fellow unforgiven,but Dec WD contains not a single morsel for our beloved Dark Angels.... Its jam packed full of nasty little hobbits and the like.. The only 40k release is the wall of martyrs defence line kit in seperate boxes...Oh, and the Crusade of Fire campaign book.

**sierra 1247**

gobbledog wrote:
Sorry fellow unforgiven,but Dec WD contains not a single morsel for our beloved Dark Angels.... Its jam packed full of nasty little hobbits and the like.. The only 40k release is the wall of martyrs defence line kit in seperate boxes...Oh, and the Crusade of Fire campaign book.

Damn those heathenous halflings!

**kronk**

gobbledog wrote:
.Oh, and the Crusade of Fire campaign book.

Which sold out online before the WD advertizing it came out!

"Look at the awesome book we just made for you!"

"Sweet! I want one!"

"No!" *Slaps customer* "Ha, ha, ha!"

**Ozymandias**

Between the hobbit and he watchers in the dark, going to be a good few months for people who have a fetish for small models.

**Mathieu Raymond**

kronk wrote:
gobbledog wrote:
.Oh, and the Crusade of Fire campaign book.

Which sold out online before the WD advertizing it came out!

"Look at the awesome book we just made for you!"

"Sweet! I want one!"

"No!" *Slaps customer* "Ha, ha, ha!"

How does that make any sense? You can't print an ad for a product that you can't sell at the very least on the day your print ad goes up, right? Well, it isn't legal in Canada at least...

**Paitryn**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess they really don't want anyone to see those DA's before they hit the shelves. Easily the most ham-fisted and nonsensical marketing 'strategy' (if you can call it that) in the world. I've never seen a company so petrified of promoting their own products!

well if the interview with Cruddace is true, then the marketing strategy works for them since we buy products more if we know less about them. and I thought the WD promo was the one RELEASED in december, not decembers issue (which is the one released here in November.)

**Mathieu Raymond**

Yes, but there won't be a week early on release of WD, maybe as it's the holidays and they take it easy.

**Drunkspleen**

Paitryn wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
I guess they really don't want anyone to see those DA's before they hit the shelves. Easily the most ham-fisted and nonsensical marketing 'strategy' (if you can call it that) in the world. I've never seen a company so petrified of promoting their own products!

well if the interview with Cruddace is true, then the marketing strategy works for them since we buy products more if we know less about them. and I thought the WD promo was the one RELEASED in december, not decembers issue (which is the one released here in November.)

The Cruddace interview reflects, if anything, the tendency for people to jump on the bandwagon, especially when the new codex is powerful, it's not that failing to show us the models makes us buy more, if we could see what was coming for the Dark Angels now, it would be extremely unlikely to cannibalize The Hobbit sales and I'm sure Dark Angels would still sell just as well, but had we known what was coming for Dark Angels 2 months ago, maybe Chaos would have sold a bit less because of people looking further forward.

Basically, what I'm getting at is, the secrecy perhaps helps drives sales, but I don't think it does so in the period where the product is well rumoured to be the next upcoming codex, so I don't think the short turnaround between the WD release and the models release is a significant factor in their strategy.

**SoloFalcon1138**

The secrecy issue was covered before, with the whole New Line Cinema issues and the FLGS warnings about leaked information and materials sold before release.

Now are there any *actual* rumors? Or just pointless complaints anout GW?

**Saxon**

Codex is coming soon and there will be a new speeder. These are the only trustworthy rumours I've read (from Hastings on Warseer).

**pretre**

via Stickmonkey on Bols wrote:
Expected Dark Angels Launch miniatures:
Deathwing Box
Ravenwing Box
Dark Angels Powered Armor Box
Mystery Large Vehicle

3 New Characters:
Belial,
Asmodai
Namaan
...existing characters moved to finecast.

Dark Angels recieve a Full codex - not a White Dwarf update.