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fair point. I just think the models haven't aged well and i can't play in store so sometimes I think they're just trying to kill it off.

that's part of the appeal of dreadball is that i know there's more coming around the corner and if I wanted to hold a league or a tournament or an event i could, and they'd help support me.

more choice in the teams and MVPs is a good thing IMO

New news up from Ronnie, and Buzzsaw is half of the next stretch goal after the ladies. Anyone else thinking the mystery MVP is the other half of the SG?

 Black Nexus wrote:
fair point. I just think the models haven't aged well and i can't play in store so sometimes I think they're just trying to kill it off.

Maybe you are out of the loop, but the state of the art teams and models are made by companies like Willy Miniatures, Gaspez Arts, Greebo, Neomics, Impact and others:
http://www.comixininos.com/index.php/
http://www.impactminiatures.com/
See this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/400021.page






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That was a brilliant kickstarter update.

Some nuggets of info:

- Stretch goals planned up to $1m.

- At the $400k mark, Striker! will have over 80 miniatures, and Season 2 with 4 extra teams will be complete.

- Beyond $400k there are plans for DreadBall Ultimate - 4 more teams, more MVPs, lots of crazy stuff like multi-hex giant monsters and robots.

- Beyond that, DreadBall Xtreme is planned, the underground variant of the game set in the streets with 3d terrain and a new pitch.

Sounds like if we reach $400k I won't be able to ignore this project any more!

Yeah. Latest Newsletter was great.

Most of all, I hope the "80+ miniatures" at 400.000 means they go back to US$ 15.000 stretch goals (or even lower) instead of the US$ 20.000 one for the girly team (another US$ 225.000 to go with an added 26 miniatures for spot on 80 in Striker would be about another 2 minis every US$ 17.000).

The current US$20.000 stretches with barely US$ 5.000 new pledges each day are part of the "lull" I believe.

They can always up the stretches again in the end (like Reaper did) when the frenzy is boiling.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Black Nexus wrote:
fair point. I just think the models haven't aged well and i can't play in store so sometimes I think they're just trying to kill it off.

Maybe you are out of the loop, but the state of the art teams and models are made by companies like Willy Miniatures, Gaspez Arts, Greebo, Neomics, Impact and others:
http://www.comixininos.com/index.php/
http://www.impactminiatures.com/
See this thread: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/400021.page

Maybe you're out of the loop, Kroot, but Black Nexus' point was that the company who produces the game might be trying to kill the game off, not third parties.

After all, third parties can't block you playing in the company shops...

 Zweischneid wrote:
The current US$20.000 stretches with barely US$ 5.000 new pledges each day are part of the "lull" I believe.

They can always up the stretches again in the end (like Reaper did) when the frenzy is boiling.

Check out kicktraq and compare stretch goals at various points in any minis projectl the lull is inevitable. There's always a lull in the middle, just a result of enthusiasts pledging early on the one hand and many folks waiting until the end on the other. Those who'd get in knowing how much the value would rise have gotten in already, those who will wait until the deal is irresistible will wait until the end.
reaper was a bit of an exception but they're pretty much the only ones at any significant scale. SW, ZC, KoW, all the big ones in this category have it to a degree.

...Not that I'd mind smaller stretch intervals, of course

Bolognesus wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
The current US$20.000 stretches with barely US$ 5.000 new pledges each day are part of the "lull" I believe.

They can always up the stretches again in the end (like Reaper did) when the frenzy is boiling.

Check out kicktraq and compare stretch goals at various points in any minis projectl the lull is inevitable. There's always a lull in the middle, just a result of enthusiasts pledging early on the one hand and many folks waiting until the end on the other. Those who'd get in knowing how much the value would rise have gotten in already, those who will wait until the deal is irresistible will wait until the end.
reaper was a bit of an exception but they're pretty much the only ones at any significant scale. SW, ZC, KoW, all the big ones in this category have it to a degree.

...Not that I'd mind smaller stretch intervals, of course

Perhaps. But it may well be one of the reasons why, generally speaking, the duration of a KS has a negative correlation with funding success (i.e. the longer a KS is, the less likely it is to succeed).

http://www.appsblogger.com/behind-kickstarter-crowdfunding-stats/
http://www.appsblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Kickstarter-infographic-625.jpg

Shorter Kickstarters struggle less with the "inevitable" lull and have an easier time keeping the excitement up. Just because a "lull" is perhaps inevitable, doesn't mean it cannot be damaging to the overall project.

 Zweischneid wrote:

Bolognesus wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
The current US$20.000 stretches with barely US$ 5.000 new pledges each day are part of the "lull" I believe.

They can always up the stretches again in the end (like Reaper did) when the frenzy is boiling.

Check out kicktraq and compare stretch goals at various points in any minis projectl the lull is inevitable. There's always a lull in the middle, just a result of enthusiasts pledging early on the one hand and many folks waiting until the end on the other. Those who'd get in knowing how much the value would rise have gotten in already, those who will wait until the deal is irresistible will wait until the end.
reaper was a bit of an exception but they're pretty much the only ones at any significant scale. SW, ZC, KoW, all the big ones in this category have it to a degree.

...Not that I'd mind smaller stretch intervals, of course

Perhaps. But it may well be one of the reasons why, generally speaking, the duration of a KS has a negative correlation with funding success (i.e. the longer a KS is, the less likely it is to succeed).

http://www.appsblogger.com/behind-kickstarter-crowdfunding-stats/
http://www.appsblogger.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Kickstarter-infographic-625.jpg

Shorter Kickstarters struggle less with the "inevitable" lull and have an easier time keeping the excitement up. Just because a "lull" is perhaps inevitable, doesn't mean it cannot be damaging to the overall project.

for what I remember of those articles is that they don't account for two factors: 1) a lot of the very long kickstarter projects are also some of the worst-designed and least focused projects, regardless of their duration. this rather skews the results. and 2) projects in, say, the dance or fashion categories behave differently from those in tech/design, which in turn are rather different than those in games. minis especially, with the high upfront and low per-unit costs tend to use stretch goals completely differently than other categories can do.

A game such as this *needs* about a month or so to slowly tease it's stretches onto it's crowd, one by one (remember, as long as each stretch feels somewhat significant many smaller stretches, eventually yielding the same amount of minis, can 'feel' bigger, more of a value, than a few somewhat bigger ones) and you want to have the project last a month if only so people can set aside some money from their next paycheck.

I see your point - they need to keep the flame burning during that month but they seem to have that covered rather well with their daily newsletters etc.
oh well, we're past the $175K point now anyway, so let's see if you get what you want
(I'm kind of guessing for $25K stretches sometime soon actually, but let's hope not )

The girls are in! $175,000 has been hit by over $1000. Really excited to see who the new guy is, and to get Buzzcut in!

Great... a sculpter gets to make his Mechano-bewbs... Can we get back to the real teams? And keep them Sci-Fi and not fantasy in space? Aliens, Robots and future stuff! Go watch an episode of Ben 10 or something.

New stretch goals up to $200k are now up.

2 quick $7500 stretches for 2 MVPs, and a further $10k stretch for a copy of the DreadBall Season 2 rules.

I like the background about Buzzcut - he gets fined every game for improper attire, but doesn't care because he makes so much money.

Quite similar to how a lot of celebrities and rich people IRL park wherever they want to and just pay the fines (Gordon Ramsey is notorious for paying £65k in parking fines each year, for example), once you have a certain amount of money you start being able to ignore the rules.

When I get back to the hotel from work, I guess I'll be upping my pledge to add in the ladies and additional hex bases. Already signed up for the DB paint set, $25 board and Striker. Time to add the women and another 44 hex bases.

Buzzcut is awesome. I think mantic learned the first rule of sports games, don't make special characters rules without models otherwise be undercut by third parties.

I am looking forward to having the complete collection.

Likely missed it somewhere but has there been anything mentioned about ship dates for all the stretch goals. I know the base levels are suppose to ship in Dec but what about all the extra stuff?

^ FAQ at the bottom of the KS page:

We are aiming to get all the copies of the game and the initial releases shipped as soon as possible - by December 2012 at the latest. However, as the funds raised by this Kickstarter project allow us to create new teams and sculpts, we will be arranging a second shipment of products, with a current ETA of Q2 2013. Anyone whose reward level or extras include both initial and new products will receive two shipments.

So, June 2013 at the latest for all the extra stuff.

 Zweischneid wrote:

well, you got your smaller stretches

Good job by them on the stretches and info overnight.

Am I hallucinating, or is the concept art put up for the Enforcer MVP just the Enforcer concept art from Warpath?

Dreadball;



From our News thread on Warpath;



That seems... off. Somehow. Maybe I'm being too sensitive about it.

I believe it will be a unique Enforcer sculpt for Dreadball.

 Cyporiean wrote:
I believe it will be a unique Enforcer sculpt for Dreadball.

I should hope so, hehe! But I'm not crazy or missing something, right? That is the same concept art? I was expecting some subtle difference, but if there is one, I can't find it.

It's probably the same as with the KoW kickstarter - rushing to get artwork done, using that which is available as an indication, that kind of thing.

I'll be honest, my finger is hovering over the "add to cart" button for the Enforcer army. I think they're Mantic's best models so far...and they're far better looking than any Space Marine I've seen yet. The armor looks cooler, the faces look crueler, and they just exude an air of power. I think the Enforcer MVP for DB will be awesome, and will probably be my favorite or second favorite MVP after John Doe (who could resist a Cthulu sports star?!)

Sigh, of course my bank declines the purchase for the Enforcers at the moment...ran into this problem while trying to buy from Black Library. Oh well, I'll deal with it when I get home.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
I'll be honest, my finger is hovering over the "add to cart" button for the Enforcer army. I think they're Mantic's best models so far...and they're far better looking than any Space Marine I've seen yet. The armor looks cooler, the faces look crueler, and they just exude an air of power. I think the Enforcer MVP for DB will be awesome, and will probably be my favorite or second favorite MVP after John Doe (who could resist a Cthulu sports star?!)

Me too, I think they are awesome looking models. I've often thought about using them as Storm Troopers, with the Corporation minis for standard guard (and all mounted in Valkyries). And of course giving Warpath a go as well with them. But, it's more a case of already having 4 different armies/projects on the go..

And.. the Enforcer is in!

Loads of new content up on Jake's blog about all the expansions: http://quirkworthy.com/

Of particular immediate interest, these are the four new teams that will appear in DreadBall Season 2:

- Female Corporation
- Zz'or (hints at mind control implants/ captive breeding programs to make them usable). Team focused on Guards and massive amounts of violence, presumably trying to win by killing everything that can score on the opposing team.
- Robots
- Judwan, completely new alien race, concept for them is a team made entirely of strikers.

Sounds good to me! Expansion to the humans, addition of a Warpath faction, addition of 2 solidly sci-fi factions (robots, weird aliens) as the other two.

The further this game (and Warpath as well) gets away from the whole "orcs, goblins, dwarfs and skaven in space" thing, the better.

That doesn't mean that those factions should cease getting support, just that they shouldn't make up 100% of the factions in the game. Ideally, the pure sci-fi factions should make up the majority.

Sounds good, but I thought female corporation was already in.

Does that mean only 3 more teams will be revealed for season 2? Or will the pull a season 3 team forward as they did with the girly team now?

Female team is already in. I was simply stating the 4 teams that will appear in the dreadball season 2 rulebook.

No idea if they'll "bring forward" a season 3 team before the $400k mark, depends on what other things they have planned for season 2, there's already going to be 4 different coaches and cheerleaders, there might also be another 8 MVPs or something (entirely possible if as Ronnie says, we're looking at breaking the 80 mini mark for Striker! at $400k).

Looking at the current mini count for Striker!... 58 (total after $200k is reached) + 6 from 3 new teams + 8 cheerleaders/coaches + 8 MVPs = 80 minis total. So, this will be matching/beating sedition wars for miniature count if it gets as far as that game did, but much more gradually since Mantic is sticking to 1-4 free minis per stretch and keeping the stretches short, rather than frontloading like SW did with the bulk of the freebies upfront (the +12 minis stretch goals) and 1-mini freebies/ $10 options as things progressed.

Either way, we're starting to get into the fun part of the Kickstarter! Won't be long until the $150 Striker level breaks the $300 RRP mark and will be offering a 50% discount off retail prices.

Really hope they've got some concept art for the Zz'or and Judwan prepped, those will be interesting to see.

 scarletsquig wrote:
- Zz'or (hints at mind control implants/ captive breeding programs to make them usable). Team focused on Guards and massive amounts of violence, presumably trying to win by killing everything that can score on the opposing team.

The Zz'or should not be a team. The species has no more place in the sport than tanks and rifles do.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
- Zz'or (hints at mind control implants/ captive breeding programs to make them usable). Team focused on Guards and massive amounts of violence, presumably trying to win by killing everything that can score on the opposing team.

The Zz'or should not be a team. The species has no more place in the sport than tanks and rifles do.

Uh, for people not up on Warpath background, what are the Zz'or? From that comment, I'm thinking giant bugs, maybe?