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^ It's possible though, with the majority of the SW deployed to defend against the 13th black crusade forces. ('Tis stated in the rulebook as a dispositions chart)

 JbR of the Endless Spire wrote:
If we are looking rules wise (I'm actually going to hate myself for saying this) it'd probably be Calgar, the guy basically re-rolls everything... though if it were fluff wise I'd say Dante... the guys a walking relic... nearest to that is Logan... it's close run all the way though...

qft
Dual Power Fists, AP2 bolters, Titanic Might, Terminator Armor. On the tabletop there isn't anything I won't charge him at. Although fluffwise he's mostly cyborg and I'd agree with Dante. iirc Calgar differed to him when they fought together at Armageddon.

I'd like to say Azrael but he'd be too busy trying to find The Fallen rather then dueling.

 MatrixLurtz wrote:

 JbR of the Endless Spire wrote:
If we are looking rules wise (I'm actually going to hate myself for saying this) it'd probably be Calgar, the guy basically re-rolls everything... though if it were fluff wise I'd say Dante... the guys a walking relic... nearest to that is Logan... it's close run all the way though...

qft
Dual Power Fists, AP2 bolters, Titanic Might, Terminator Armor. On the tabletop there isn't anything I won't charge him at. Although fluffwise he's mostly cyborg and I'd agree with Dante. iirc Calgar differed to him when they fought together at Armageddon.

So being respectful and diplomatic, while realizing that two commanders on the battlefield is a really bad idea shows weakness? The fact that MC did it and Dante didnt says more for MC than against.

Game wise, I've had Calgar challenge and kill an Avatar x2. Neither was pretty but math hammer holds it up if Calgar charges (which he did). One time AP 2 bolter wounds got the Avatar, who did 3 wounds both times and then took 3/4 from PFs. One fight I had 10 HG watching so I got some rerolls and +1 attack, but that's part of being an IC.

 Lobukia wrote:

 MatrixLurtz wrote:

 JbR of the Endless Spire wrote:
If we are looking rules wise (I'm actually going to hate myself for saying this) it'd probably be Calgar, the guy basically re-rolls everything... though if it were fluff wise I'd say Dante... the guys a walking relic... nearest to that is Logan... it's close run all the way though...

qft
Dual Power Fists, AP2 bolters, Titanic Might, Terminator Armor. On the tabletop there isn't anything I won't charge him at. Although fluffwise he's mostly cyborg and I'd agree with Dante. iirc Calgar differed to him when they fought together at Armageddon.

So being respectful and diplomatic, while realizing that two commanders on the battlefield is a really bad idea shows weakness? The fact that MC did it and Dante didnt says more for MC than against.

It's not necessarily a sign of Calgar's weakness but more one of Dante 's skill and experience.

The big C isn't weak because he differed to someone he thought would do a better job.

As much as I love my Black templars, I voted for Calgar...the Wargear that he uses is incredible...and it's not like he doesn't have his fair share of heroic 1v1 fights that he has won

Dante.

He would take a hit, go mental and rip you limb from limb

Logan easily

when asking any question on toughness or who would win in a fight always bet on a wolf

Tyberos all the way.

DoW

BrotherVord wrote:
As much as I love my Black templars, I voted for Calgar...the Wargear that he uses is incredible...and it's not like he doesn't have his fair share of heroic 1v1 fights that he has won

The Black Templars are my favorite chapter as well, but there is simply no denying Calgar's feats (Though Dante has comparable feats).

One thing I know though: Either would make Logan their own personal nancy.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
As much as I love my Black templars, I voted for Calgar...the Wargear that he uses is incredible...and it's not like he doesn't have his fair share of heroic 1v1 fights that he has won

The Black Templars are my favorite chapter as well, but there is simply no denying Calgar's feats (Though Dante has comparable feats).

One thing I know though: Either would make Logan their own personal nancy.

There's a reason Logan has been chapter master of the Wolves for 500 years and was the supreme commander of the Space Marine during the 13th Black Crusade. And it's not because he's a pushover.
I'd back Grimnar against any other chapter masters. I'm not saying he'd win easily though, it'd be close but IMO he'd win 7-8 times out of 10...

 purplefood wrote:
There's a reason Logan has been chapter master of the Wolves for 500 years and was the supreme commander of the Space Marine during the 13th Black Crusade. And it's not because he's a pushover.

You don't have to be a pushover to lose to Calgar or Dante in a duel.

I may have exagerrated the ease with which they would best him, but I am hardly the only one, as a Logan supporter but a few posts above mine demonstrates.

Edit: Why would you back Logan?

He has less experience than Dante does, and Dante leads a Legion even more close combat oriented than Logan's. And in terms of feats within duels, Calgar and Dante have him beaten.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
There's a reason Logan has been chapter master of the Wolves for 500 years and was the supreme commander of the Space Marine during the 13th Black Crusade. And it's not because he's a pushover.

You don't have to be a pushover to lose to Calgar or Dante in a duel.

I may have exagerrated the ease with which they would best him, but I am hardly the only one, as a Logan supporter but a few posts above mine demonstrates.

Edit: Why would you back Logan?

He has less experience than Dante does, and Dante leads a Legion even more close combat oriented than Logan's. And in terms of feats within duels, Calgar and Dante have him beaten.

Why would i back him?
He leads one of the most aggressive chapters in one of the most dangerous regions of space and he doesn't do it sat down.
People say how Dante led the counter-attack during the second war for Armageddon but Logan led the fight during the First war against what could only accurately be described as the legions of hell.
He killed a GK grand master in a single blow before he even managed to draw his weapon. That's pretty damn quick,i don't care who you have punched to death or what you used, that's quick.

 purplefood wrote:
Why would i back him?
He leads one of the most aggressive chapters in one of the most dangerous regions of space and he doesn't do it sat down.
People say how Dante led the counter-attack during the second war for Armageddon but Logan led the fight during the First war against what could only accurately be described as the legions of hell.
He killed a GK grand master in a single blow before he even managed to draw his weapon. That's pretty damn quick,i don't care who you have punched to death or what you used, that's quick.

Ah, but Logan mostly fought lesser daemons and the like from what I understand (Did the Emperor's Gift show different?), the Grey Knights handled all the big bad Daemons.

And it is hardly like Calgar has not fought his share of big battles on the front line. He held off an invading Ork force by himself at a gate for IIRC a full night.

It is fairly impressive, but let's be honest here: It was a cheap shot. Know what else is quick? Being able to evade and parry the blows of an Avatar of Khaine, as well as cutting an abnormally powerful Bloodthirster in half seemingly without being harmed once.

Really, based on Dante's besting of Skarbrand, I might actually be inclined to give him the edge against Calgar.

He didn't evade the blows of an Avatar of Khaine though...
He punched it in the head while it was distracted, got a few more hits in before it almost cut him in two and would have done had it not been for the quality of his armour.

There's not a huge amount written about Logan in terms of personal fighting but considering he's a Space Wolf it's not likely he's been leading from the rear...

Funny how Dante got 30 votes in one hour - but ok,someone is hardcore fan...

The space wolves were the Emperors executioners, they were designed to fight other astartes from their inception. You just can't claim the same about the chapters of the other chapter masters. I would take the chapter master of the chapter who was designed to execute other marines over any other chapter master any day and twice on Sunday.

 purplefood wrote:
He didn't evade the blows of an Avatar of Khaine though...
He punched it in the head while it was distracted, got a few more hits in before it almost cut him in two and would have done had it not been for the quality of his armour.

There's not a huge amount written about Logan in terms of personal fighting but considering he's a Space Wolf it's not likely he's been leading from the rear...

Wrong-o.

The first strike by the Avatar missed "by a hair's breadth", the next two were indeed tanked by his armour, before he caught its sword in his hand.

And... Really, that just helps Calgar's case, if his armour can protect him that well from an Avatar of Khaine, it can certainly do so against Logan.

Logan doesn't have the same calibur of showings as Calgar or Dante I'm afraid.

 purplefood wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

BrotherVord wrote:
As much as I love my Black templars, I voted for Calgar...the Wargear that he uses is incredible...and it's not like he doesn't have his fair share of heroic 1v1 fights that he has won

The Black Templars are my favorite chapter as well, but there is simply no denying Calgar's feats (Though Dante has comparable feats).

One thing I know though: Either would make Logan their own personal nancy.

There's a reason Logan has been chapter master of the Wolves for 500 years and was the supreme commander of the Space Marine during the 13th Black Crusade. And it's not because he's a pushover.
I'd back Grimnar against any other chapter masters. I'm not saying he'd win easily though, it'd be close but IMO he'd win 7-8 times out of 10...

Dantes got twice that expreince as a Chapter Master,

And just because I have al three models and the rules, I'm going to find out

Grimnar is believed by some observers to be one of the most powerful warriors in the Imperium, greater even than other Space Marine Chapter Masters such as Lord Commander Dante of the Blood Angels, Supreme Grand Master Azrael of the Dark Angels, and even Lord Marneus Calgar of the feared Ultramarines.

It's even stated in wikia that Logan is a notch better then them...Void oposum,go suck a thousand bricks....

 DarthMarko wrote:
Grimnar is believed by some observers to be one of the most powerful warriors in the Imperium, greater even than other Space Marine Chapter Masters such as Lord Commander Dante of the Blood Angels, Supreme Grand Master Azrael of the Dark Angels, and even Lord Marneus Calgar of the feared Ultramarines.

It's even stated in wikia that Logan is a notch better then them...Void oposum,go suck a thousand bricks....

Wikia is fan written, I guarantee you that the sentence you quoted does not have a citation.

Dante hands down

 Seb wrote:
Where is Draïgo...?

He's not in the poll because he'd win.

Logan vs Dante vs Calgar is more even. None of them carved a name on a Daemon Primarch's heart.

Both Calgar and Dante's most recent fluff was written by Matt Ward. That right there makes me tone down their accomplishments just a bit to fit in line with pretty much anyone else who has ever written anything 40K related.

Isn't Dante one-shotting Skarband just a rumor? Doesn't Dante roll his eyes or something when people mention that?

IIRC, that's how it's written in the BA codex.

Regardless, I still think Dante wins.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Both Calgar and Dante's most recent fluff was written by Matt Ward. That right there makes me tone down their accomplishments just a bit to fit in line with pretty much anyone else who has ever written anything 40K related.

Tell that to that C'tan-BT-TS-Ward fan @Void Dragon, he the most jealous guy on this forum....

Garvy wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Both Calgar and Dante's most recent fluff was written by Matt Ward. That right there makes me tone down their accomplishments just a bit to fit in line with pretty much anyone else who has ever written anything 40K related.

Tell that to that C'tan-BT-TS-Ward fan @Void Dragon, he the most jealous guy on this forum....

Thank you for adding to the conversation, your input is greatly appreciated.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Both Calgar and Dante's most recent fluff was written by Matt Ward. That right there makes me tone down their accomplishments just a bit to fit in line with pretty much anyone else who has ever written anything 40K related.

Yeah, because the Space Wolf fluff in the 5th edition is so well-written and eloquwolfwolfwolfwolfwolf.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Both Calgar and Dante's most recent fluff was written by Matt Ward. That right there makes me tone down their accomplishments just a bit to fit in line with pretty much anyone else who has ever written anything 40K related.

Dante cutting Skarbrand in half wasn't Ward-penned as far as I know, it's not in the BA codex. It was last I checked on GW's website.

Also, Garvy only demonstrate his own bias by getting buttmad over a "Which chapter master beats up which" thread.

DarthMarko, I wouldn't trust wikia as a reliable source. Like, at all.

Tell me though, if we're just going to throw out Calgar and Dante's feats on the basis of "I don't like it, it didn't happen," how can discussion take place?

Do I, then, get to disregard everything Logan has done to show him being a great warrior, because I don't like some of what he's done? No, I don't, because that would be stupid, and it is stupid to do the same for Dante and Calgar.

Ward-penned or not, their feats speak for themselves.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:
Both Calgar and Dante's most recent fluff was written by Matt Ward. That right there makes me tone down their accomplishments just a bit to fit in line with pretty much anyone else who has ever written anything 40K related.

Yeah, because the Space Wolf fluff in the 5th edition is so well-written and eloquwolfwolfwolfwolfwolf.

Yeah,SW codex is also a joke - but c'mon you have to admit that what Ward did to a BA is even worse (I'm a BA fan...)