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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 03:23:22
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Scuttling Genestealer
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Hey anyone know what i could use for tyranid allies i already know about imperial guard but do you think other races make sense too because of genestealers seeing as they can infiltrate any race amd what units could i use that make sense
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Tyranids 1500
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 03:32:21
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Fireknife Shas'el
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If you think hard enough everyone can make sense. Even necrons, you just have to think really hard.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 09:42:24
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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To be honest, the best to hope for is that we might one day (if that big leaked list of future releases is trustworthy) see Genestealer cults return. If we do, I anticipate we'll get a proper, balanced army list, rather than being left to ally Tyranids and Guard.
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Red Hunters: 2000 points Grey Knights: 2000 points Black Legion: 600 points and counting |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 10:31:02
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Mighty Vampire Count
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I thik most biological entaties can be infected
My thoughts:
We know from the codxes that Orks can be - although Da Bug Eyz tend to get found out by Squig hounds and the like..
Tau are also susceptable to be infected - how effective the cult is in the special society in which they live is unclear but if they can infect an etherial (not easy) pretty much unstopable. Kroot/Genstealer Hybrids are probably best not thought about. Vespids should work - although again the Control / Communicaition helmits may be a stop on this.
No reasons I can think of that the Eldar /Dark Eldar can't be infected but I can't recall any mention of it in the fluff.
So I should think that you should def be able to have Guard, Ork and Tau allies,
Maybe to Eldar/Dark Eldar
and no to Chaos, Astartes, Sisters.
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/528517.page
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 15:28:14
Subject: Re:Tyranid Allies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Just to state the obvious: Tyranids can have no allies in 40k 6th edition.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 16:55:50
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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nomotog wrote:If you think hard enough everyone can make sense. Even necrons, you just have to think really hard.
It's probably just easier to say that if you don't think at all, Tyranids can ally with anyone.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 17:22:38
Subject: Re:Tyranid Allies
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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I think its easiest to say Tyranids can make anyone ally with anyone.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 20:33:10
Subject: Re:Tyranid Allies
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Scuttling Genestealer
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Im pretty sure they can ally fluff wise with eldar orks tau dark eldar and ig and it makes sense just think about it same with necrons but in a different sense as in they work together necrons stay out of the way help tyranids get biomass then after nids leave they reclaim the world as theirs
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Tyranids 1500
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 20:48:59
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine
The Top of the World, Lighting up the Night
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wolftheassassin53 wrote:Hey anyone know what i could use for tyranid allies i already know about imperial guard but do you think other races make sense too because of genestealers seeing as they can infiltrate any race amd what units could i use that make sense 
Genestealers can't infiltrate "any" race. Astartes are useless to them for infiltration/cult purposes (being sterile) and are regularly screened by Apothecaries, same goes with Sisters, which means even if they were infected, it would be rooted out pretty quickly. Daemons and Necrons are immune to genestealers for obvious reasons.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 21:29:00
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Why no to Chaos? Both the Rogue Trader and 2nd ed Genestealer Cult not only had Chaos Allies, it was an intrinsically natural thing for the Rogue Trader list(about half the list was Chaos beings of some sort and even allowed Marks/dedication to a specific god for the cultists).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 21:42:37
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Whilst Tau, Ork and even Eldar Genestealer cults are in the fluff a possibility (just like Ork or Eldar chaos champions), it's worth bearing in mind that GW aren't going to make four different sets of cultist miniatures - indeed we'll be fortunate to get one set, twenty years late - and that, since the 40k universe is depicted principally through human eyes, the "standard" 'Stealer cult will be one made up of infected humans.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/28 22:27:07
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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FinalAnswer wrote:Astartes are useless to them for infiltration/cult purposes (being sterile) and are regularly screened by Apothecaries, same goes with Sisters, which means even if they were infected, it would be rooted out pretty quickly.
Unless you go by that one Black Library novel ... ugh ... just ugh ...
It's all a matter of one's interpretation. GW wants you, the player, to make the setting your own. You could come up with, say, some sort of Tyranid "brainworm" which manages to infect a Marine Chapter or Sororitas Convent. It's about as dodgy as female Space Marines and many people may be put off by the idea, but still it's just as valid as ... well, that novel for example. The important questions are: Does it fit your own interpretation of the setting? How close to you want to stick to GW's own fluff? Do you think you could sell your idea to the people you want to game with?
This is a pretty awesome conversion though: http://z11.invisionfree.com/Work_In_Progress/index.php?showtopic=2998
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 00:17:00
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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War Walker Pilot with Withering Fire
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Well, being that Tyranids have units built from the dna of the different races ... it seems they should be able to make cultists out of them.
I guess it would make sense to NOT be able to ally with Tyranids, because let's face it ... they're Tyranids. But IG cultists are a given. I had a buddy who's Dark Eldar Army "captured" a Carnifex and would turn it loose upon battle back in 3rd ed. You would have to have a pretty good story justification to do anything with it, though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 00:43:54
Subject: Re:Tyranid Allies
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Scuttling Genestealer
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The easiest justification is geneestealer cults as they can effect most races
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 04:49:30
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Norn Queen
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Just to clear up a bit of misconception in this thread - Tyranids don't infest things. Stop confusing them with Zerg. Genestealers, however, do. In a way.
Simply using Imperial Guard as allies and claiming it to be a Genestealer Cult is way off though. First up, guys be mutated.There will be Hybrids with one arm being a Genestealer arm, guys with half Genestealer faces, all with giant, bald, bulbous heads bigger than the Cadian helmet. They also are not regular army. THey hide away from most of the citizens of a planet, even if they've taken over the Governors seat, because 99% of the population will see they're xenos, word will get back to the PDF, and an alert sent. This is why they used to ride around in Limos and such in Rogue Trader, rather than Rhinos.
Simply using Guard and stating they're a Genestealer Cult smacks of simply doing it to get a Manticore or Hydra in a Tyranid army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 07:14:12
Subject: Re:Tyranid Allies
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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Wasn't there also a generation of 'stealers that looks perfectly like normal people, born from the ugly ones? Pretty sure I've read something like this. Those would lend themselves well to the infiltration, and I think the limo bit was just because their leader (patriarch) was always an obvious case.
"Often a Genestealer or Chaos cult will mark out the Ecclesiarchy as the first target for its attention. In the more civilised places of the Imperium, this offensive will usually be political in nature, trying to reduce Ministorum tithes, undermining the influence of the Cardinal or Preacher, and so on. In the more lawless regions though, open terrorism and attacks are more normal. Under cover of darkness, the cult's members will attempt to destroy the local shrine and kill its members."
-- WD 212, Scourge of Darkness
I don't think all the political stuff would actually be possible if Imperial officials would be able to identify them all the time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 07:50:17
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Anti-Armour Swiss Guard
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4th gen hybrids. They looked ALMOST like normal people. Bald people with freaky eyes.
The eyes, the eyes gave them away (they were also powerful psykers). Equal to a SM librarian, in several cases.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 08:14:04
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
Inside Yvraine
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I imagine that Eldar genestealers wouldn't likely get too far due to the Eldar's psychic nature. As the Path of the Eldar novels show, Eldar don't just communicate on a physical level, like humans do. They resonate with each on a psychic, spiritual level- to the point where other Eldar and even the senitent Infinity Circuit in a Craftworld can read an Exarch's soul and determine all of its pass incarnations. I don't think a Genestealer can fake that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 08:31:07
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Ichor-Dripping Talos Monstrosity
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1: IMO, the easiest fix is to say nids can ally with themselves.
So 2 HQs + 3 Troops means you can use the extra allied slots.
Suddenly, there's less of a problem.
2: There's justification on both sides for nid allies anyway.
Cults, yes to a degree, but you could do looted nids with orks, slavey toys for DE, a masterful ruse / plot, engineering events and guiding them to a mysterious task for the eldar, etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 16:55:51
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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-Loki- wrote:Just to clear up a bit of misconception in this thread - Tyranids don't infest things.
Parasite of Mortrex does.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 23:43:12
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Norn Queen
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Works differently to the TyraZerg infestation people like to state as fluffy.
The Parasite just lays eggs in a host which then explodes with rippers. It doesn't turn the host into some kind of weird pseudo Tyranid.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 23:45:40
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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-Loki- wrote: Works differently to the TyraZerg infestation people like to state as fluffy. I've yet to see anyone mention that but you, honestly. The way everyone has been using it in this threads lean towards 'Stealer Cults.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/29 23:51:25
Subject: Tyranid Allies
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Norn Queen
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Platuan4th wrote: -Loki- wrote: Works differently to the TyraZerg infestation people like to state as fluffy. I've yet to see anyone mention that but you, honestly. The way everyone has been using it in this threads lean towards 'Stealer Cults. When have I ever denied the existance of Genestealer Cults? I mentioned them in my post you quoted. Genestealer Cults aren't Tyranid Cults. I'm well aware of Genestealer Cults, but Genestealers are always portrayed as very, very independant of the Tyranid race, even if they are actually Tyranids themselves, even actively avoiding an incoming hive fleets be fleeing a planet. As such, a Genestealer Cult is just that, a Genestealer Cult. Not a general Tyranid cult. It mostly is just seems like people want an excuse to throw a Manticore into their Tyranid army rather than actually making a fluffy Genestealer Cult. And since these argument always seem to devolve into 'it would be fluffy to do so', I never see any attempt to do it properly.
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