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Just thought I would throw out a consensus question about everyone's local pickup games of 6th. Is everyone seeing more acceptance of FW models or counts as FW for the flyers especially for those armies yet to be graced with any airborne dakka? It is slowly getting there in my local group.

Only thing I saw was a Land Raider Achilles.

Personally I play Tau. And getting access to FW flyers has been a big boon.

 terminalmonky wrote:
Personally I play Tau. And getting access to FW flyers has been a big boon.

Not gonna lie - tau fliers a full of fun!

What Tau fliers do you bring? I've been looking at those Remora Stealth Drones, but I don't think they'd be that great as anti-fliers which is what I want versus the Necrons and Demon player at my FLGS.

I've faces a Vulture a few times recently.

My local group has always been very fw friendly. But I have noticed a lot more lists around the web have started to include fw in small doses. Especially contemptor dreads and various eldar stuff from IA 11. Some of these lists are even coming from people who have been against fw or been in groups that have been against fw for a good while. Even seems like more tournament lists are popping up with fw in them.

I don't know of we will ever get a black and white, flat out announcement from gw saying they endorse fw use in all games, but with 6th and the flyer situation, I expect that we will see fw being more accepted gradually. Once the HH books come out I wouldn't be surprised if fw became fully mainstreamed as I expect those will be extremely popular, even amongst those who hate fw units.

FW is friendliness is up to you explaining it to them. I've never had a problem with it, because I've shown them rules, GW endorsement, a written army-list, and the like.

 TheCaptain wrote:
FW is friendliness is up to you explaining it to them. I've never had a problem with it, because I've shown them rules, GW endorsement, a written army-list, and the like.

This has been my experience. I've never not been able to play my FW stuff except in tournaments.

All I know is that I'm trying very hard to get forgeworld accepted at my store so I can bring my armored battlegroup list.

Soon, my commissar tanks will see the field. And it will be glorious.

I could care less about the flyers though. If that's what it takes to get them to let me bring my 12 leman russes though, it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make

Oh. and if I was a troll, I'd say something like "WHY WOULDN'T PEOPLE ACCEPT FIREWARRIORS! THEY ARENT EVEN THAT GOOD".

But that's because that would be hilarious.

My Tau live and die by the fearsomeness of tetras. FW is accepted no problem here. We do insist on owning the model and not doing scratch built only as a tax per se, however this probably wouldn't be an issue either.

I just played in a team tournament where we had two vultures. It would have been unthinkable outside of Apoc before 6th Ed.

I've only ever seen a FW Medusa at my local GW, no other FW models besides that.

FW is pretty common in my area, I myself have a contemptor mortis, and a deimos executioner is in the mail. As for others? theres some XV9s, grot tanks, blight drones, vulture gunships and more besides.

 Doomhunter wrote:
FW is pretty common in my area, I myself have a contemptor mortis, and a deimos executioner is in the mail. As for others? theres some XV9s, grot tanks, blight drones, vulture gunships and more besides.

How is the contemptor mortis?

I feel like it looks super badass, and the idea of one sitting back with assault-cannons and a missile launcher just blasting stuff would be big-pimpin.

 TheCaptain wrote:

 Doomhunter wrote:
FW is pretty common in my area, I myself have a contemptor mortis, and a deimos executioner is in the mail. As for others? theres some XV9s, grot tanks, blight drones, vulture gunships and more besides.

How is the contemptor mortis?

I feel like it looks super badass, and the idea of one sitting back with assault-cannons and a missile launcher just blasting stuff would be big-pimpin.

Its never let me down, i run it with autocannons/missile launcher and sit back shredding light vehicles and infantry. I dont like the assualt cannons however because they don't have the range of the missiles.

CrowSplat wrote:
My local group has always been very fw friendly. But I have noticed a lot more lists around the web have started to include fw in small doses. Especially contemptor dreads and various eldar stuff from IA 11. Some of these lists are even coming from people who have been against fw or been in groups that have been against fw for a good while. Even seems like more tournament lists are popping up with fw in them.

I don't know of we will ever get a black and white, flat out announcement from gw saying they endorse fw use in all games, but with 6th and the flyer situation, I expect that we will see fw being more accepted gradually. Once the HH books come out I wouldn't be surprised if fw became fully mainstreamed as I expect those will be extremely popular, even amongst those who hate fw units.

Said flat-out announcement is already handily available in the front of every one of the more recent Imperial Armour books. Since FW are a wholly owned and main-studio-subservient division of GW, they essentially are GW.

Of course, that doesn't stop some people from shoving their fingers in their ears and screaming "LALALALALALALA" at you when you try to use a perfectly legal unit, but I generally just find that attitude to be a handy indicator of "person I don't want to play against"

EDIT: To provide a counter-opinion to Doomhunter, I love the Contemptor Mortis with the dual-Kheres and Cyclone loadout, since in my list it serves double-duty as AA and a support unit for my mid- and back-field forces. The missiles are enough to deal with enemy flyers as long as you're not facing down a tournament-style flyerspam list(BS5 Skyfire is awesome), and the Kheres give it truly monstrous firepower against ground-based enemies and hovering flyers.

I guess a a large hurdle is also considering the IA books as codex's. As an example with Tau again. IA3 p.170 give the Skyray an AA upgrade that allows the on board marker lights to fire at flyers with a BS3 and then all seeker missiles can hit that painted flyer on a 4+.

Funny how familiar the Flyer rules in that book sound today. Page 309.

But AA mounts are just an example. IA special rules change the Meta and a lot of players don't see the value in that or are scared of it.

Unfortunately Yodhrin, other players will point to another part in those books, the golden rule that you should still ask your opponents for permission to use those units. And like it or not people will use that as a reason to not play against forgeworld.

but let's not let this thread devolve into ANOTHER forgeworld flame thread.

Hopefully though, with all the flyers around, more players will start allowing forgeworld as it helps get more armies ways to fight against flyers. I know I've heard of a lot of tournies are looking at it as a way to help weaken flyer spam armies and get more variety on the tourney scene.

 Yodhrin wrote:

EDIT: To provide a counter-opinion to Doomhunter, I love the Contemptor Mortis with the dual-Kheres and Cyclone loadout, since in my list it serves double-duty as AA and a support unit for my mid- and back-field forces. The missiles are enough to deal with enemy flyers as long as you're not facing down a tournament-style flyerspam list(BS5 Skyfire is awesome), and the Kheres give it truly monstrous firepower against ground-based enemies and hovering flyers.

I just prefer the range of the autocannons I guess. Autocannon or assault cannon, it will usually kill what you point it at.

 TheCaptain wrote:
GW endorsement

I'd like to see where this is, because it would be cool to be able to point to it if I ever wanted to play FW items.

Not realy allowed in tournaments here , so few people own FW stuff . If they do then its like my IG to get different looking guard or chaos renegade IG lists. On the other hand I dont realy blame nid players to not want to play against normal and FW stuff . FW doesnt give them a single good unit , while at the same time lets other people spam flyers , tanks they cant touch or upgrade with ally match ups they already have problems with.
Other armies like sob or tau can at least ally stuff from other armies . I wish FW wasnt so focused on imperials and marines , they are giving options to armies that already are getting more dex and have more battlebrother ally then any other faction .

I haven't. Realy seen much forge world, and for the most part I am glad. I don't know the rules for there stuff and the books cost way to much to get for the off chance someone may have a unit from them at this time.

If players want to see forge world stuff integrated better then thay realy need to push GW to integrate them into the game better I think. But GW always seems slightly incompetent in that regard so I Dont think there a chance :p

Apple fox wrote:
I haven't. Realy seen much forge world, and for the most part I am glad. I don't know the rules for there stuff and the books cost way to much to get for the off chance someone may have a unit from them at this time.

You do realize that you could just ask them to show you the rules before the game start, yes?

 MrMoustaffa wrote:
Unfortunately Yodhrin, other players will point to another part in those books, the golden rule that you should still ask your opponents for permission to use those units. And like it or not people will use that as a reason to not play against forgeworld.

but let's not let this thread devolve into ANOTHER forgeworld flame thread.

Hopefully though, with all the flyers around, more players will start allowing forgeworld as it helps get more armies ways to fight against flyers. I know I've heard of a lot of tournies are looking at it as a way to help weaken flyer spam armies and get more variety on the tourney scene.

That would have been a valid objection in the past, but the wording of that statement has changed so substantially you'd have to be super-petty to try that one; the prior statement amounted to "you MUST ask if your opponent is cool with this", while the new one essentially says "it's polite to let people know you'll be using FW", and that in the wake of an explicit statement that anything with the stamp is legal.

While I welcome anything that removes the entirely undeserved stigma some players have placed on FW rules, I do find it a little galling that people who've been refusing to play against generally-underpowered flavour units from FW for years are suddenly willing to volte-face when it gives them a genuine advantage.

 Yodhrin wrote:
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While I welcome anything that removes the entirely undeserved stigma some players have placed on FW rules, I do find it a little galling that people who've been refusing to play against generally-underpowered flavour units from FW for years are suddenly willing to volte-face when it gives them a genuine advantage.

I have a few issues with some of the experimental rules, but in general FW units tend to be expensive (point wise) for what they do. We have a custom at our game store that at tourneys and even in friendly games, where we go over each others lists prior to deployment and answer questions regarding units that your opponent might have. This cuts down dramatically on rules disputes for less known units, especially FW units.

It's kind of funny how people go so crazy over fw but are ok with new gw stuff. I mean nobody knows everything about every army, but most don't refuse to play an army because they don't know it or own the codex. But those same people will flat out refuse to so much as unpack their minis if you tell them you have 1 fw unit. That's kind of like 2 football teams refusing to play each other because they do.t have a copy of each others playbook

To be honest, I never ask to see my opponents list. I don't really care what they bring and my list isn't going to change because they have one thing or another.

CrowSplat wrote:
It's kind of funny how people go so crazy over fw but are ok with new gw stuff. I mean nobody knows everything about every army, but most don't refuse to play an army because they don't know it or own the codex. But those same people will flat out refuse to so much as unpack their minis if you tell them you have 1 fw unit. That's kind of like 2 football teams refusing to play each other because they do.t have a copy of each others playbook

To be honest, I never ask to see my opponents list. I don't really care what they bring and my list isn't going to change because they have one thing or another.

Yeah I never really got that either. Unless you're a guy who reads the forums everyday, owns all the codexes, and has been playing for years, there's no way you know everything about every army. Then they see a FW unit and freak out because they've never seen it before.

Did they freak out the first time they saw a rhino too? Or a Leman Russ? Or an ork boy?

Like you said, all you have to do is ask to see the book/faq the list came from, and any opponent should be more than happy to share what each unit does and what it's stats are. I've never had trouble asking people what their units do in the past, I would hope that holds true for most other players as well.

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

CrowSplat wrote:
It's kind of funny how people go so crazy over fw but are ok with new gw stuff. I mean nobody knows everything about every army, but most don't refuse to play an army because they don't know it or own the codex. But those same people will flat out refuse to so much as unpack their minis if you tell them you have 1 fw unit. That's kind of like 2 football teams refusing to play each other because they do.t have a copy of each others playbook

To be honest, I never ask to see my opponents list. I don't really care what they bring and my list isn't going to change because they have one thing or another.

Yeah I never really got that either. Unless you're a guy who reads the forums everyday, owns all the codexes, and has been playing for years, there's no way you know everything about every army. Then they see a FW unit and freak out because they've never seen it before.

Did they freak out the first time they saw a rhino too? Or a Leman Russ? Or an ork boy?

Like you said, all you have to do is ask to see the book/faq the list came from, and any opponent should be more than happy to share what each unit does and what it's stats are. I've never had trouble asking people what their units do in the past, I would hope that holds true for most other players as well.

I have a learning disorder so I like to try and learn at least the basics of each army in advance.

But other than that there are many reasons people may not like forge world.
GW doesn't integrate them into the game, thay come off as a addon I didn't even know forgeworld was part of GW till a few months back.
Could also be that people don't like the fact that some army's can have so many units, ruins flavor for them or the feal of the game.
Also with so many units it opens up stuff to army's that people maybe not expect.

Realy I think it all comes down to how GW handles it, integrates it into the game. People will always see it as a addon if that's how thay show it.

I will add to my other post, the reason I am glad not to deal with forge world is people like this post sorta imply, if I question there use thay freak out and get aggressive not saying the poster acts that way, but the post to me is quite aggressive.
If someone come up to me and said hey can I use a fw tank, I would be be happy to play as long as thay where nice and cool when I show concern.

If thay show any aggressiveness I would walk on them.

The way GW handles them is realy at fault in this, but the players are what makes me weary when reading threads like this.

Hehe was a bit grumpy in the morning it seems :p I don't mean to be.