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Ouze wrote: That's an interesting idea. Do people who are into wargaming generally lean more right than the public at large?
Define "right".
Europe's "Right" is more similar to the US's "Left", IMHO, YMMV, OMG, and so on.
Not really. Europe is to the left of America. It's possible to be right-wing here without being fething mental. Think John McCain.
Also my prediction is coming true - not a single Rest Of The World Republican vote.
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jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
I'm a member of the Pirate Party, but will probably vote for Gary Johnson this year. He still has some things I disagree with (wants to repeal the ACA), but I like the majority of his platform.
d-usa wrote: I'm a member of the Pirate Party, but will probably vote for Gary Johnson this year. He still has some things I disagree with (wants to repeal the ACA), but I like the majority of his platform.
Wait, what, really?
How is that even possible?
Or is legalizing pot that important of an issue to you?
I'd vote "other", since I feel the main parties are more or less as bad as each other in many respects, and would love for some third party (or even a whole bunch of them representing different states) to come in and shake up the established order of things.
Forced to choose between the two main parties, I would go with the Dems, as the least insane party.
d-usa wrote: I'm a member of the Pirate Party, but will probably vote for Gary Johnson this year. He still has some things I disagree with (wants to repeal the ACA), but I like the majority of his platform.
Wait, what, really?
How is that even possible?
Or is legalizing pot that important of an issue to you?
Not a pot smoker, never even tried it. How does any of my post make you think that legalizing lot is my main issue?
Its like voting none of the above. And wouldn't it make things a lot more interesting if she won.
Romney's just running so he can lower his taxes another 5 million a year, and he promises to totally deregulate the banks so they can cause another recession. I just don't understand why anyone who's not in the top 1% would ever vote for the guy.
Obama's just the lesser of two evils, He bows down to the republican ideas on the recovery then gets gak by them for not doing enough. The only thing he's really doing right is not pissing off entire groups of americans.
I stopped at Gitmo. Gitmo is still open (this is a good thing).
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Given a choice between an often ineffectual group of moderates that sometimes have good intentions and howling group of conservatives clawing desperately to hold on to the worst remaining bits of the world as it was 100 years ago, I'll take the former. However, I won't be particularly passionate about it and as I don't live in a swing state I wouldn't have a reason to be anyway.
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stopped at Gitmo. Gitmo is still open (this is a good thing).
Pretty sure he backed off once he read what type of prisoners we had in there.
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stopped at Gitmo. Gitmo is still open (this is a good thing).
Pretty sure he backed off once he read what type of prisoners we had in there.
There was a half hearted attempt to move them to Illinois. That was quickly scuttled.
Some say money, some say they didn't want a magnet for terrorist attacks, some say it was against the Geneva Convention to put them next to the active war zone that is Chicago.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
TheHammer wrote: The differences between President Obama and Gary Johnson are huge. I don't know how someone can be in favor of the ACA and vote for a libertarian.
It boggles my mind.
Who is your candidate of choice, and do you agree with 100% of his or her platform?
TheHammer wrote: The differences between President Obama and Gary Johnson are huge. I don't know how someone can be in favor of the ACA and vote for a libertarian.
It boggles my mind.
Who is your candidate of choice, and do you agree with 100% of his or her platform?
Problem is I have yet to find a politician that I agree with 100% of their views, but thats because my views go both left and right. I am pro choice, pro military, progun, anti illegal immigration, but very anti large federal government. Essentially I am fine with states making most of the important calls. (As a note I am not religious in the wee bit, I think last time I went to a church was when I was 12.)
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That is why I am leaning Gary Johnson this election. I have to look at the candidates and take each of their positions into consideration.
- Which of their positions do I agree and disagree with.
- How do their positions rate.
- What is the likelihood of their position actually becoming policy.
Also have to keep in mind that I am in Oklahoma, so I only have 3 candidates to choose from.
stopped at Gitmo. Gitmo is still open (this is a good thing).
Pretty sure he backed off once he read what type of prisoners we had in there.
There was a half hearted attempt to move them to Illinois. That was quickly scuttled. Some say money, some say they didn't want a magnet for terrorist attacks, some say it was against the Geneva Convention to put them next to the active war zone that is Chicago.
Basically, he tried to shut it down but no where else would accept them.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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TheHammer wrote: The differences between President Obama and Gary Johnson are huge. I don't know how someone can be in favor of the ACA and vote for a libertarian.
It boggles my mind.
Who is your candidate of choice, and do you agree with 100% of his or her platform?
Problem is I have yet to find a politician that I agree with 100% of their views, but thats because my views go both left and right. I am pro choice, pro military, progun, anti illegal immigration, but very anti large federal government. Essentially I am fine with states making most of the important calls. (As a note I am not religious in the wee bit, I think last time I went to a church was when I was 12.)
This is partly my problem also. I am a registered Independent and vote for the person who I think would push the country in the right direction. So I am both left and right. I like some of the consertive views while also agreeable to many liberal views. I also am fine with some of the libertarian stuff.
d-usa wrote: That is why I am leaning Gary Johnson this election. I have to look at the candidates and take each of their positions into consideration.
- Which of their positions do I agree and disagree with.
- How do their positions rate.
- What is the likelihood of their position actually becoming policy.
Also have to keep in mind that I am in Oklahoma, so I only have 3 candidates to choose from.
I am also from Oklahoma. I found it interesting that the majority of voters in Oklahoma are Democrats and there is a surge in Independents being registered here in the past couple of years.
Maybe part of the problem is wanting another person, let alone a politician, is going to share 100% of your ideals. It is like being concerned that one can't find a unicorn; it was a Quixotic idea to begin with.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
whembly wrote: What I think it's funny is that Romney is labeled as a right-winger (relative to American politics mind you).
He's actually moderate... otherwise, how the feth did he get elected in Mass. where there's only 17% Republicans?
I think that is why he is not really running on much of anything other than the economy. He had to sell himself to a hardcore right-wing crowd in the primaries and is still trying to pass himself off as a conservative despite being a moderate. I don't like him and hope he doesn't win, but I hope that if he does we will see a return to the "true" Romney who is far more moderate than the Republicans want him to be.
TheHammer wrote: The differences between President Obama and Gary Johnson are huge. I don't know how someone can be in favor of the ACA and vote for a libertarian.
It boggles my mind.
Who is your candidate of choice, and do you agree with 100% of his or her platform?
Problem is I have yet to find a politician that I agree with 100% of their views, but thats because my views go both left and right. I am pro choice, pro military, progun, anti illegal immigration, but very anti large federal government. Essentially I am fine with states making most of the important calls. (As a note I am not religious in the wee bit, I think last time I went to a church was when I was 12.)
This is partly my problem also. I am a registered Independent and vote for the person who I think would push the country in the right direction. So I am both left and right. I like some of the consertive views while also agreeable to many liberal views. I also am fine with some of the libertarian stuff.
d-usa wrote: That is why I am leaning Gary Johnson this election. I have to look at the candidates and take each of their positions into consideration.
- Which of their positions do I agree and disagree with.
- How do their positions rate.
- What is the likelihood of their position actually becoming policy.
Also have to keep in mind that I am in Oklahoma, so I only have 3 candidates to choose from.
I am also from Oklahoma. I found it interesting that the majority of voters in Oklahoma are Democrats and there is a surge in Independents being registered here in the past couple of years.
Oklahoma is weird, and the whole "Oklahoman is Republican Territory!" thing is fairly new. The state has voted Republican on a national level for quite a while, but then voted Democrat for the State Legislature for quite a while. We have only had a few years of a Republican legislature in this state, but we should also keep in mind that an Oklahoma Democrat is more of a Blue Dog Democrat.
If you are an Oklahoma Independent then come and join the Pirate Party, there are not that many of us
whembly wrote: What I think it's funny is that Romney is labeled as a right-winger (relative to American politics mind you).
He's actually moderate... otherwise, how the feth did he get elected in Mass. where there's only 17% Republicans?
He WAS a moderate.
The primary changed that.
The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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whembly wrote: What I think it's funny is that Romney is labeled as a right-winger (relative to American politics mind you).
He's actually moderate... otherwise, how the feth did he get elected in Mass. where there's only 17% Republicans?
Oddly enough, smear campaigns and challenging his opponents to show their tax returns.
Well put simply, an East Coast Republlican is a middle america democrat.
I was going for hypocrite.
He is running with no platform that he'll admit to. he wants to run on his business experience, but you just can't ask him about his experience. Its ok for him to ask for his opponents tax returns and their spouses, just don't ask for his.
he wants to run on his business experience, but you just can't ask him about his experience.
Does not compute... see links above.
Its ok for him to ask for his opponents tax returns and their spouses, just don't ask for his.
Again... what?
He released his last two years. That should be sufficient. And why does it matter. He has had a succesful run at Mass Gov and businesses... those are good qualities to have in a president.
Riddle me this Romney-haters: Why is it such a bad thing that he's successful?
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Easy E wrote: I always got the feeling that wargamers tend to be more conservative than liberal.
I'm interested to hear anecdotes and see the polling data either way.
There are 5 guys in my gaming group, we're all friends. 3 of us swing to the left, 2 to the right. It's no coincidence that the ones on the right also have a flat-out distorted world view, namely to do with immigrants and prisoners. Essentially you can't separate their source of news from their political opinion. You can extrapolate this out to the general populace for depressing results.
Hey! Check this out:
It's no coincidence that the ones on the left also have a flat-out distorted world view, namely to do with greedy bankers and privileged people in general. Essentially you can't separate their source of news from their political opinion. You can extrapolate this out to the general populace for depressing results.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that the right has a monopoly on spouting ill-informed, half thought-through dogma. If anything, the left is more guilty of this at the moment - people are being encouraged to genuinely hate the wealthy, which is a little odd, considering that not many of them took out sub-prime mortgages...
whembly wrote: My take is that he'll be a "Moderate" Prez.
I'm not going to push the panic button either way. This is partly because I'm not a partisan nutjob, but also because I don't really think the country will change much with either of these candidates. There are certainly differences between them, but neither is truly an extremist, and our system has a way of preventing extreme changes from happening anyway.
Besides, we're only talking about the POTUS. It's our reps in Congress and our state and local officials that have the most impact on our lives anyway.
Romney will accuse others that if they don't release their returns and they're spouses, they're hiding something. was it a Freudian slip? is he projecting? or just a lying sack of ?
and just for the fun of it:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Romney and Bain:
is Romney committing a felony or is he just lying to the public?
If I was going to save 5 million a year on taxes under his tax plan, I'd vote for him. But he has no interest in helping anyone other than the top 1% in the country. Its not hating on him, its looking at him and realizing what a lying sack of he is, and wondering if he flips flops so often he's called an etch a sketch, why would anyone vote for him?
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Easy E wrote: I always got the feeling that wargamers tend to be more conservative than liberal.
I'm interested to hear anecdotes and see the polling data either way.
There are 5 guys in my gaming group, we're all friends. 3 of us swing to the left, 2 to the right. It's no coincidence that the ones on the right also have a flat-out distorted world view, namely to do with immigrants and prisoners. Essentially you can't separate their source of news from their political opinion. You can extrapolate this out to the general populace for depressing results.
Hey! Check this out:
It's no coincidence that the ones on the left also have a flat-out distorted world view, namely to do with greedy bankers and privileged people in general. Essentially you can't separate their source of news from their political opinion. You can extrapolate this out to the general populace for depressing results.
Don't make the mistake of thinking that the right has a monopoly on spouting ill-informed, half thought-through dogma. If anything, the left is more guilty of this at the moment - people are being encouraged to genuinely hate the wealthy, which is a little odd, considering that not many of them took out sub-prime mortgages...
The left are objectively more educated than the right.
People are angry at the rich because virtually all GDP growth of the past 30 years has flowed directly into their pockets, yet they pay feth all tax on it.
Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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