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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 13:02:01
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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HoW is always at base strength and AP- as HoW says.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/31 18:52:23
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 13:12:53
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Tunneling Trygon
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As HoW Says
But it was pretty much a jab at the fact that my question was answered and then we've had a whole page of Math Arguments
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 14:25:54
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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The Hive Mind
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Correct. Even if you declare a Smash attack, HoW goes off at your unmodified strength.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 15:30:14
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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DeathReaper wrote:Luide wrote:@DeathReaper
You still haven't answered the question: Where does it say divide happens after addition and subtraction.
Smash rule, by virtue of the timing within.
Timing within what? The Smash rule? Because I see no such timing defined in the rule. All I see is it saying when you make a close combat attack you can halve your attacks characteristic, nothing that says you divide last.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 15:32:26
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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Correct, re the first sentence in Smash where it tells you it cannot be used with Hammer of Wrath attacks.
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This is my Rulebook. There are many Like it, but this one is mine. Without me, my rulebook is useless. Without my rulebook, I am useless.
Stop looking for buzz words and start reading the whole sentences.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 15:43:04
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Lurking Gaunt
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LOL, when I read the title of this thread I knew it would devolve in to a debate about how to calculate # of Smash attacks. Well, I don't know if you can call it a debate where there is virtually the entire 40k player base on side and DeathReaper on the other, but you have to give kuddos to that kid for his tenacity!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 15:53:38
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Land Raider Pilot on Cruise Control
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fleetofclaw wrote:LOL, when I read the title of this thread I knew it would devolve in to a debate about how to calculate # of Smash attacks. Well, I don't know if you can call it a debate where there is virtually the entire 40k player base on side and DeathReaper on the other, but you have to give kuddos to that kid for his tenacity!
I will give Kudos when a logical argument is presented. All I see now is nothing even supported by rules or definitions of words involved.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 18:52:49
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Bloodhorror wrote: As HoW Says But it was pretty much a jab at the fact that my question was answered and then we've had a whole page of Math Arguments 
Right "as HoW says" not 'Smash', Edited my previous post.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/31 18:54:26
"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 19:00:21
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Guarding Guardian
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Right. No smashing when you use HoW. If nothing else, there would be no reason to ever not use it if it worked that way - you get one attack at Str for HoW. Smash halves the number of attacks(rounding up to 1) and doubles str. There would be no downside. EDIT: Oops, didn't see the question answered. :( My bad.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 19:59:09
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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TBH I agree with DR. There are a number of modifiers that occur at different times. I can see the formula in 2 ways:
Using a Tervigon with Crushing Claws and Warp Speed who charges.
3/2 + D3 +D3 +1 = 5-7
(3+D3+D3+1)/2 = 3-5
Both follow the rules as they are written (and I'm not getting into that silly division is not multiplication thing).
As a Nid player I would use the second as when there is confusion you use that which is least advantageous.
This is also the reason I disagree with the Banshee Mask vs Whip Coils. This is because (IMO) the Banshee Mask application comes before the Whip Coils (and due to the wording of both).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 20:08:16
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Dakka Veteran
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Happyjew wrote:This is also the reason I disagree with the Banshee Mask vs Whip Coils. This is because ( IMO) the Banshee Mask application comes before the Whip Coils (and due to the wording of both).
Do you disagree with the FAQ that explicitly states to roll-off in case of Banshee Masks vs Whip coils instead of applying them in the ordet they come? Or did I misunderstand what you meant.
Besides, wouldn't Whip Coils models who made it into base contant come before Banshee masks, because of Banshee mask timing? I know it's 4e vs 6e timing, but I think Banshee Mask timing basically translates to "Start of the Fight sub-phase" in 6e.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 20:26:09
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I do disagree with the FAQ. A model with a Banshee Mask has a Initiative 10 in the first round of combat. They don't count as Initiative 10, their Statline is changed to Initiative 10. Whip Coils state that any model in base contact counts their Initiative as 1 regardless of actual Initiative. According to the wordings of both wargear the Howling Banshees Initiaitve would be: Init 5->Init 10 (due to Banshee Mask), but counts as Init 1 due to Whip Coils.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/08/31 20:26:27
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/08/31 21:22:21
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Dakka Veteran
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RIGHT. nO SMASHING. Just 1 base str init 10 ap2 hit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/01 01:45:50
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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The underlined is incorrect.
HoW specifies that its attack is AP-
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"Did you notice a sign out in front of my chapel that said "Land Raider Storage"?" -High Chaplain Astorath the Grim Redeemer of the Lost.
I sold my soul to the devil and now the bastard is demanding a refund!
We do not have an attorney-client relationship. I am not your lawyer. The statements I make do not constitute legal advice. Any statements made by me are based upon the limited facts you have presented, and under the premise that you will consult with a local attorney. This is not an attempt to solicit business. This disclaimer is in addition to any disclaimers that this website has made.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/09/01 07:46:46
Subject: Can i use "Smash" when i attack with "Hammer Of Wrath"?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Actually it specifies it is an Attack with AP-, same as a CCW does. THe reason you dont get smash is because Smash / HoW specifically state you do not
A Rending Claws 'nid rolling a 6 to wound would get an AP2 attack from HoW
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