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If this story is even halfway true, there are some seriously messed up people in this town if they blame the 11 year old.

Sure, she wore makeup and wasn't tied up, can't be rape can it? FFS, these are the sorts of people who listen to crap about 'legitimate rapes' and nod in agreement. They're morons.

It happened several times over the span of months. Did her parents do nothing? Was she being payed? That article leaves an awful lot out.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Sure, she wore makeup and wasn't tied up, can't be rape can it? FFS, these are the sorts of people who listen to crap about 'legitimate rapes' and nod in agreement. They're morons.

Don't forget, she also looks older than 11, which is also clearly her fault. I agree with your statement about these people being morons if they think any sexual relationship between an adult and child that young is the child's fault. Words can't express my disgust for that kind of person.

The girl was 11 years old.

There are no excuses.

The people who said that she was responsible for her rape should themselves be raped.
Let's see them use that argument afterwards.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:The people who said that she was responsible for her rape should themselves be raped.
Let's see them use that argument afterwards.

Rape is pretty fething horrible. I don't think anyone deserves it, even rapists.

Think they're down on the same level as pedaphiles in prison.

 LoneLictor wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:The people who said that she was responsible for her rape should themselves be raped.
Let's see them use that argument afterwards.

Rape is pretty fething horrible. I don't think anyone deserves it, even rapists.

I concur. Which is why I am so disgusted that they would say that.

There aren't enough vigilantes in the USA.

Also this seems pretty obviously a racial issue.

 Howard A Treesong wrote:
Sure, she wore makeup and wasn't tied up, can't be rape can it? FFS, these are the sorts of people who listen to crap about 'legitimate rapes' and nod in agreement. They're morons.

Nice.
Thread about the destruction of a child's life... bring in politics. Good work.

This Ms. King may in fact be a democrat. But that possibility doesn't play into your "GOP is Pro Rape! Durr Hurr!" agenda.

Ok my first thoughts, I didnt know TX had a cleveland, I thought Ohio had a Houston.
Now Serious, I just cant fathom anyone saying "Its your fault, you dressed like that" to an adult, let alone a minor. I mean Really people, by that logic its the banks fault for being robbed for having money. Really are we going to start blaming a little girl(11 is still a little girl in my book) who may not have any concept of fault.
IF this girl hears this, and believes it(she is 11 after all) she coudl end up with severe emotional problems.

 Gen. Lee Losing wrote:

Nice.
Thread about the destruction of a child's life... bring in politics. Good work.

Her life hasn't been destroyed as she isn't dead. She has been prevented from living a life in which she wasn't statutorily raped, but her life hasn't been destroyed*.

That being said, it is relevant that certain members of certain parts of the political spectrum seem to distinguish between "legitimate rape" and "illegitimate rape". Saying "ZOMG tragedy, we can't talk about politics!" is basically a failure to appreciate how political and social (because I hate the word "sociopolitical") circumstances affect the manner in which the relevant town has split.

Further, I like how almost everyone (The exception is Shuma, from what I've read.) that is completely disconnected from the situation is passing hard moral judgments regarding the people that are connected to it.



*Also, I know several women that would have your nuts in a sling for alluding to the idea that a rape, or even several rapes, is definitive with respect to their lives.

Yes, I'm passing judgement. Even if she said okay, I'd STILL condemn the rapes and the people who blamed her.

She's ELEVEN YEARS OLD. Even IF it was her choice, it wasn't her choice.

Despite evidence at Eric McGowen's trial that included a confession, DNA evidence, the girl's tearful testimony and a video of her being assaulted, others haven't been swayed.

The only solution.

 Melissia wrote:
Yes, I'm passing judgement. Even if she said okay, I'd STILL condemn the rapes and the people who blamed her.

I'm not talking about the alleged rapists, I'm talking about everyone else in the community. People with greater personal context should be forgiven for leaning on their experience with X when X is convicted of anything as, to them, "anything" is likely an isolated incident regardless of severity.

Granted, I could have been more clear.

I dunno if I agree with you then. When you have a large group of guys gang-rape a prepubescent girl over the course of several months, and you have video evidence of it, a confession, DNA evidence ,and witnesses to it...

I probably shouldn't pass judgement, but I find it hard not to considering the situation.

 dogma wrote:

 Gen. Lee Losing wrote:

Nice.
Thread about the destruction of a child's life... bring in politics. Good work.

Her life hasn't been destroyed as she isn't dead. She has been prevented from living a life in which she wasn't statutorily raped, but her life hasn't been destroyed.

That being said, it is relevant that certain members of certain parts of the political spectrum seem to distinguish between "legitimate rape" and "illegitimate rape". Saying "ZOMG tragedy, we can't talk about politics!" is basically a failure to appreciate how political and social (because I hate the word "sociopolitical") circumstances affect the manner in which the relevant town has split.
Ui
Further, I like how almost everyone (The exception is Shuma, from what I've read.) that is completely disconnected from the situation is passing hard moral judgments regarding the people that are connected to it.

I've sat in counciling sessions with people that have had their children abused and it is a really hard shot on the child that has been abused. Even if the child is too young to remember the act, there can be serious psycological repercussions in later life because of what happened, not to mention the effects on the child's family
At the age this child was, it will take a long time, if ever for her to get over what happened to her. I've seen children not much older than three that have been abused, and it is a fairly sickening thing to me, especially since some of the comments in the article are similar to ones I've heard in real life.

dogma wrote:Further, I like how almost everyone (The exception is Shuma, from what I've read.) that is completely disconnected from the situation is passing hard moral judgments regarding the people that are connected to it.

Hey, I didn't judge anyone.

Not cool man, not cool.

Relapse wrote:

I've sat in counciling sessions with people that have had their children abused and it is a really hard shot on the child that has been abused. Even if the child is too young to remember the act, there can be serious psycological repercussions in later life because of what happened, not to mention the effects on the child's family.

I didn't say that there weren't, but to claim that a child's life has been "destroyed" is to idealize what that child's life would have been without cause. I suspect much of what you describe results from the attitude of the parents, who generally (understandably) fumble around with their own expectations and what they think is best for the child.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not insulting parents. All parents want the best for their kids, and rolling with the punches can be difficult.

Relapse wrote:

At the age this child was, it will take a long time, if ever for her to get over what happened to her.

True enough, but its difficult to leverage what might have been when you're discussing what is, and I say this having dated 2 rape victims.

 LoneLictor wrote:

Hey, I didn't judge anyone.

Not cool man, not cool.

I said "based on what I read". I only skimmed the thread, so don't take offense.

dogma wrote:

LoneLictor wrote:
Hey, I didn't judge anyone.

Not cool man, not cool.

I said "based on what I read". I only skimmed the thread, so don't take offense.

You think it's fine to skin a thread and then judge everyone involved?

Alright fine. I'm going to skim your post, assume that you said something about supporting Hitler, and then I'll judge you for it.

How does it feel to be judged, huh? How does it feel? Yeah, that's right. I'm judging you.

How does it feel to be judged, huh? How does it feel? Yeah, that's right. I'm judging you.

Are you excuting him to Judge Lonelictor? With helmet on or off?

 ShumaGorath wrote:
It happened several times over the span of months. Did her parents do nothing? Was she being payed? That article leaves an awful lot out.

Hrrrrm, yeah, just like all them kids who's relatives abuse them over a period of years and years. and they don't tell anyone about it; surely that MUST mean that they were asking for it. It couldn't be because they're terrified of reprisals, or because they don't feel they have anyone to turn to, no, it obviously just means they're a slut and it's their own fault

The girl is eleven years old. I don't care if she was walking around naked wearing a sandwich board with "me service you cheap, only five dolla" on, anyone who touches her is a rapist, because she is incapable of giving informed consent. That a place can be so full of backwards hill-people that there's any debate whatsoever over that point of fact makes me physically sick; seriously, just reading the cretinous mumblings of these web-toed, inbred, child-molester-loving hicks gave me the boke for a good five minutes, I had to make a cup of tea to settle my stomach.

Despicable.

EDIT: And yes, I am judging them, all of them; the rapists and the moronic townspeople who support them, because this isn't some wishy-washy "won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!" story, an eleven year old girl was raped, repeatedly, by multiple people. There is no ethical context in which that is ok.

Hrrrrm, yeah, just like all them kids who's relatives abuse them over a period of years and years. and they don't tell anyone about it; surely that MUST mean that they were asking for it. It couldn't be because they're terrified of reprisals, or because they don't feel they have anyone to turn to, no, it obviously just means they're a slut and it's their own fault

I was commenting on the quality of the report and how it lambasts half a town while leaving critical facts out so that lazy people can whine about rapists because it's easy to shout at a computer screen.

It's also easy to hate rapists...
You know because they're rapists...

@Dogma, I think I catch your meaning if you're saying that parents expect that their children would have been world beaters, but being raped took that from them. Feel free to correct me on that if I'm wrong.
One of the best things, in most cases that I've seen or heard of is for the parents to seek counciling for themselves as well as their child and to talk with others who have gone through similar circumstances.
The child can possibly have a number of issues that will need to be dealt with that can come out immediatly or even years later, even with counciling such as anger, lack of self worth, promiscuousness, suicidal tendencies, the list goes on.
I had a good chance to study all of this since one of my daughters was attacked when she was very young. A son of aa at the time family friend lured her away from a group she was with and attempted a sexual assault. Fortunatly my wife noticed she was missing and found her before anything beyond groping and removal of her panties happened.
Over the next year, we went to court listening to motions and pleas before the actual trial happened and during the entire time, his family denied anything happened.
He might have gotten away with it, but someone came forward to tell me about another little girl this guy had cultivated and gone after. I went to talk to her father and he was reluctant to come forward. I did manage to get him to talk to the officer in charge of my daughter's case, and a couple of weeks later he decided to join in the complaint.
My daughter's attacker was found guilty, and at that point his mother changed from saying he was innocent and that we were liars to saying it was the state's fault and the fault of everyone that lived around her that her son didn't get the help he needed.
In the meantime, we were dealing with anger outbursts from our daughter as well as other emotional issues from her.
It was definitly pretty traumatic all around.



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@Yodhrin,

Well said.

The girl is eleven years old. I don't care if she was walking around naked wearing a sandwich board with "me service you cheap, only five dolla" on, anyone who touches her is a rapist, because she is incapable of giving informed consent.

No one disagrees with this.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:
It happened several times over the span of months. Did her parents do nothing? Was she being payed? That article leaves an awful lot out.

Hrrrrm, yeah, just like all them kids who's relatives abuse them over a period of years and years. and they don't tell anyone about it; surely that MUST mean that they were asking for it. It couldn't be because they're terrified of reprisals, or because they don't feel they have anyone to turn to, no, it obviously just means they're a slut and it's their own fault :

EDIT: And yes, I am judging them, all of them; the rapists and the moronic townspeople who support them, because this isn't some wishy-washy "won't somebody PLEASE think of the children?!" story, an eleven year old girl was raped, repeatedly, by multiple people. There is no ethical context in which that is ok.

There is such a concept as innocent until proven guilty, and the article seems incomplete, leaving several important questions unanswered. Such as, how on Earth did this happen several times over a span of months? The townspeople may all be horrible monsters, or possibly they may have some reason (good or bad) to be suspicious of the process and the authorities there. It's very easy to freak out and condemn them all, but there does remain a small chance that there's more to the story.

 purplefood wrote:
It's also easy to hate rapists...
You know because they're rapists...

Yep. It's also easy to be annoyed when people shout at me like I'm defending rapists when I'm questioning the quality of a report exploiting peoples mindless and childlike hatred of rapists to get free hits on their website.

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
It's also easy to hate rapists...
You know because they're rapists...

Yep. It's also easy to be annoyed when people shout at me like I'm defending rapists when I'm questioning the quality of a report exploiting peoples mindless and childlike hatred of rapists to get free hits on their website.

Well i don't think anyone seriously think you're defending the rapists...
That would be stupid...
The article isn't a great one but it's not exactly uncommon for a story to be written before more facts present themselves...

 purplefood wrote:

 ShumaGorath wrote:

 purplefood wrote:
It's also easy to hate rapists...
You know because they're rapists...

Yep. It's also easy to be annoyed when people shout at me like I'm defending rapists when I'm questioning the quality of a report exploiting peoples mindless and childlike hatred of rapists to get free hits on their website.

Well i don't think anyone seriously think you're defending the rapists...
That would be stupid...
The article isn't a great one but it's not exactly uncommon for a story to be written before more facts present themselves...

The facts have been available for some time. This all happened 2 years ago.

Jihadin wrote:Think they're down on the same level as pedaphiles in prison.

Not even close. Depending on the prison, rapists find themselves anywhere from being harassed to left alone.

Child molesters, on the other hand, have a much harder time and are often required to be placed in 24-hour protective custody, because if word gets out (and it will get out) that you sexually assaulted a child, then not only will most convicts be out for your blood, but any convict that has the chance to feth you up and doesn't will also become a target. The mentality is generally "If you don't beat 'em (to death), join 'em".

That being said; I'm undecided about whether or not I have a problem with that mentality.