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That's lovely. A DC dread would probably kill a Wulfen with some ease but for the sake of a fair contest (At least to start with) lets say both sides have the same options.
In an even contest they are equally matched IMO...

Yar, berserk vampire v berserk werewolf in one on one with similar equipment, 50/50. I have to give it to death company just because death company CAN be upgraded. I.E., if a death-company member were to say, find a power sword or plasma pistol or something of the like that one of his battle-brothers dropped in battle, he might pick it up an use it.

DarthMarko wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Lynata wrote:I'm sorry, but the Blood Angels got nothing against Space Wolf plot armour.

O Lynata, i expect better from you....

SHe is sarcastic probably - if she gives one praise to the wolves I will open a bottle of courvoisier

You caught me.
Like most "versus" threads, I actually don't think there is any good answer to this. Their fluff makes both types of characters sound quite powerful, each with their own strengths and weaknesses. It's the age-old fantasy cliché of vampires versus werewolves, just with power armour. Speed versus brute strength, wits versus instinct. Like in so many books and movies, when thrown into a duel against each other, the outcome would thus depend on the story, and with this, the author of whoever writes it. Obviously, both Chapters' friends will be utterly convinced that "their" hero would win.

My vote for the SW is just a product of my pragmatism and personal bias - less a case of "X is better than Y" but rather "X has always been shown winning, regardless of the circumstances".

Keep that bottle ready anyways. I'm sure there's something about the Wolves that I like, I just haven't found it yet. Maybe some day I stumble over some cool story like the one of Captain Tycho's death in the WD. What an amazing read. Really nudged me towards liking the BA.

 Lynata wrote:

DarthMarko wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Lynata wrote:I'm sorry, but the Blood Angels got nothing against Space Wolf plot armour.

O Lynata, i expect better from you....

SHe is sarcastic probably - if she gives one praise to the wolves I will open a bottle of courvoisier

You caught me.
Like most "versus" threads, I actually don't think there is any good answer to this. Their fluff makes both types of characters sound quite powerful, each with their own strengths and weaknesses. It's the age-old fantasy cliché of vampires versus werewolves, just with power armour. Speed versus brute strength, wits versus instinct. Like in so many books and movies, when thrown into a duel against each other, the outcome would thus depend on the story, and with this, the author of whoever writes it. Obviously, both Chapters' friends will be utterly convinced that "their" hero would win.

My vote for the SW is just a product of my pragmatism and personal bias - less a case of "X is better than Y" but rather "X has always been shown winning, regardless of the circumstances".

Keep that bottle ready anyways. I'm sure there's something about the Wolves that I like, I just haven't found it yet. Maybe some day I stumble over some cool story like the one of Captain Tycho's death in the WD. What an amazing read. Really nudged me towards liking the BA.

That's it - I can die happy....I tell you, leave the =I= and join the merry viking killers...

Could you refer me to the issue of the White Dwarf containing the story about Captain Tycho Lynata? I'm very interested in reading the particulars of his final battle.

Wulfen are Leman Russ incarnate and have the senses heighten more and strength and agility doubled or tripled, while Death Company believe themselves to be fighting the final battle with their beloved Primarch.

I'm on the ropes of who would really win

Orblivion wrote:
Could you refer me to the issue of the White Dwarf containing the story about Captain Tycho Lynata? I'm very interested in reading the particulars of his final battle.

UK WD #251, page 86. It's just one page, but it's one of the best 40k short stories I've ever read. This is how you properly end a hero.

I originally got this WD (backordered from a magazine shop online) just because of the Armageddon 3 section, as I've still got this little pet-project going on where I collect any and all bits of SoB fluff, but it's a good issue in more than this regard.
However, this is an oldschool WD, which means lots of cool content that is generally fun to read.
Table of contents includes:
- Index Astartes : The Flesh Tearers (4 pages about the Flesh Tearers Chapter, including combat doctrine and origins, character descriptions, pictures, history, and special rules for fielding them as an army)
- Chapter Approved : Space Marine Command Groups (expanded rules)
- Codex Orks Q&A (even includes an explanation on why Ork blood is red )
- Aftermath of the Third War of Armageddon (fluff for each sector that was fought over in the worldwide campaign)

There's also lots of WHFB stuff such as a new Orc special character or rules for mercenary regiments, and even a cardboard reference sheet with movement and attack rules for the TT.

It is a draw for all intents and purposes.

The Wulfen destorys the DC, but the DC ignores his wounds long enough to kill the Wulfen, before dying himself.

As much as I love the Blood Angels, I agree that this would be a draw. They would just hack and slash at each other until neither is left standing. One might be the most upright afterwards and that can vary, but he would succumb to his wounds pretty soon afterwards.

Both are psychotic killing machines with little to no care or feeling regarding their own safety. They pretty much both want to die and so would ignore the blows dealt to them to ensure they can get their blows in too. In short lots of blood and two barely recognizable bodies left at the end.

This needs to be a diorama!

Ok, hard one, and I'm real glad the op didn't put a tie option in as that would have been too easy. I voted Wulfen for pure nasty primal bastardness. However, I was thinking at the same time that the Wulfen aren't even scouts when the change takes them, so what they have in animal instinct and pure viciousness, they lack in martial ability and skill. The DC has served as a fully fledged SM for a period of time, been on campaign, picked up various techniques along the way and all that and would theoretically be the better combatant. I still voted Wulfen though, as I just can't shake the feeling that the primal rage would win out (over non primal rage )

 kitch102 wrote:
This needs to be a diorama!

Ok, hard one, and I'm real glad the op didn't put a tie option in as that would have been too easy. I voted Wulfen for pure nasty primal bastardness. However, I was thinking at the same time that the Wulfen aren't even scouts when the change takes them, so what they have in animal instinct and pure viciousness, they lack in martial ability and skill. The DC has served as a fully fledged SM for a period of time, been on campaign, picked up various techniques along the way and all that and would theoretically be the better combatant. I still voted Wulfen though, as I just can't shake the feeling that the primal rage would win out (over non primal rage )

A SW going Wulfen can happen at any stage of their life, not just in the beginning.

Really? I didn't know that; I was going off what it says in the SW omnibus. I took it to mean get passed this bit and you'll be dandy for the rest of your days.

Well, aye, but read the second omnibus and you have more about it.

SW even have a Wolf Lord that goes wulfen every now and then.

SylvanaSekNadin wrote:
As much as I love the Blood Angels, I agree that this would be a draw. They would just hack and slash at each other until neither is left standing. One might be the most upright afterwards and that can vary, but he would succumb to his wounds pretty soon afterwards.

Both are psychotic killing machines with little to no care or feeling regarding their own safety. They pretty much both want to die and so would ignore the blows dealt to them to ensure they can get their blows in too. In short lots of blood and two barely recognizable bodies left at the end.

This is the most accurate answer to this tread


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 Dark wrote:
Well, aye, but read the second omnibus and you have more about it.

SW even have a Wolf Lord that goes wulfen every now and then.

No way? Second omnibus you say ?

DC would walk over the Wulfen. Wild raving maniacs in FULL armor vs Wild raving maniacs in PARTIAL plate. Add the DC's access to ranged weapons, the Wulfen dont get much of a hit in.

 kitch102 wrote:
Really? I didn't know that; I was going off what it says in the SW omnibus. I took it to mean get passed this bit and you'll be dandy for the rest of your days.

Nah, its still an ever present danger.

95% of all Space Wolves will master the Wulfen once past the Blood Claw stage.. Then another 5% may lose it sometime later.

The beast within is never truly tamed. It can always come up later in life(its unlikely to but its there)

the wulfen will do heavy tamage to DC , the DC will kill him adn then die from the wounds

 Sirmauz wrote:
DC would walk over the Wulfen. Wild raving maniacs in FULL armor vs Wild raving maniacs in PARTIAL plate. Add the DC's access to ranged weapons, the Wulfen dont get much of a hit in.

I say Wulfen

Both are vicious as hell but one fights with a Chainsword, the other's hands are RENDING.

Screw armor

 Lynata wrote:
It's the age-old fantasy cliché of vampires versus werewolves, just with power armour. Speed versus brute strength, wits versus instinct. Like in so many books and movies, when thrown into a duel against each other, the outcome would thus depend on the story, and with this, the author of whoever writes it. Obviously, both Chapters' friends will be utterly convinced that "their" hero would win.

Keep that bottle ready anyways. I'm sure there's something about the Wolves that I like, I just haven't found it yet. Maybe some day I stumble over some cool story like the one of Captain Tycho's death in the WD. What an amazing read. Really nudged me towards liking the BA.

Trope-wise, you're correct, but I do believe that in this case the speed & wits side vs brute strength and instinct is reversed. (Human history since the cave-bear would suggest that wits beats brute strength, but this is 40K we're talking about, not human history.)
As for the actual outcome, I really, really don't know. Flip a coin, I say.

One on one in either Jungle, Forest or a City, I will go for the Wulfen (No contest if its an Ice world).

One on one on a more open space it could go either way.

On a purely open space, the DC Marine has the advantage since he does carry ranged weaponry.

 DarthMarko wrote:

and if you add a whole company of Wulfen ( which there are none ) it's baw wau wau yipi yo yipi ye for the Lycan

WOLF POWER IN THE HOUSE!


Although I think it depends on how far along the DC marine is. If he's a new dc, then he won't be as powerful, but if he's about one day away from turning into a gibbering wreck, then he could win.

This fight would be awesome to watch from way way over there.