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**pretre**

Dozer Blades wrote:
I find it hilarious that many of the heavily entrenched claims made here by our resident rules lawyers have been swept away. It is a glorious moment for all who fairly play!

This is just a silly assertion. Just because someone plays by the rules doesn't make them someone who doesn't play fair. As well, many of the decision in the FAQs are not RAW according to the original rules. That's why they needed to be FAQ'd.

**Happyjew**

rigeld2 wrote:
Dozer Blades wrote:
I find it hilarious that many of the heavily entrenched claims made here by our resident rules lawyers have been swept away. It is a glorious moment for all who fairly play!

Care to point out some?

MSS v Force weapons to name one.

**rigeld2**

Happyjew wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Dozer Blades wrote:
I find it hilarious that many of the heavily entrenched claims made here by our resident rules lawyers have been swept away. It is a glorious moment for all who fairly play!

Care to point out some?

MSS v Force weapons to name one.

I was asking because his statement was mildly insulting, but pretre had a better response so ... yeah.

**40k-noob**

I am curious about something:

BRB FAQv1 wrote:Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Gliding Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Gliding
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.

Does this answer override the skyfire rule? This Answer says that ONLY snapshots can hit Zooming Flyers or Swooping MCs.
While the Hard To Hit SR specifically gives an exception to models or weapons with Skyfire.
I guess what I am asking is is Skyfire now useless because of this answer?

**pretre**

No:

Hard to Hit:
Shots resolved at such a target can
only be resolved as Snap Shots unless
the model or weapon has the Skyfire
special rule (see page 42).Template,
Blast and Large Blast weapons cannot
hit Swooping models.

Skyfire allows you to make shots other than snap shots at flying targets. Some things are still prohibited from hitting them even with skyfire though .

**Lt.Soundwave**

One is psychic powers the other is not, as I understand it there is no conflict.

**CthuluIsSpy**

40k-noob wrote:
I am curious about something:

BRB FAQv1 wrote:Q: How do maelstroms, novas and beams – or indeed any weapon
that doesn’t need to roll To Hit or hits automatically – interact with
Zooming Flyers and Gliding Flying Monstrous Creatures? (p13)
A: Only Snap Shots can hit Zooming Flyers and Gliding
Flying Monstrous Creatures. Therefore, any attacks that use
blast markers, templates, create a line of/area of effect or
otherwise don’t roll to hit cannot target them. This includes
weapons such as the Necron Doom Scythe’s death ray or the
Deathstrike missile of the Imperial Guard, and psychic
powers that follow the rule for maelstroms, beams, and
novas.

Does this answer override the skyfire rule? This Answer says that ONLY snapshots can hit Zooming Flyers or Swooping MCs.
While the Hard To Hit SR specifically gives an exception to models or weapons with Skyfire.
I guess what Ia m asking is is Skyfire now useless because of this answer?

That is a good question.
I would say yes, as it does not specify that Skyfire overrides this, and that the ruleset is primarily permissive .
I heard GW may now have an official FAQ email account, so you could ask them yourself if you want.
I don't have the link though.

**40k-noob**

pretre wrote:
No:

Hard to Hit:
Shots resolved at such a target can
only be resolved as Snap Shots unless
the model or weapon has the Skyfire
special rule (see page 42).Template,
Blast and Large Blast weapons cannot
hit Swooping models.

Skyfire allows you to make shots other than snap shots at flying targets. Some things are still prohibited from hitting them even with skyfire though .

That is what I am referring to, the HtH rule gave an exception to weapons and models with Skyfire but the answer says ONLY SNAPSHOTS can hit .....
it would seem that this answer now trumps the HtH rule, doesn't it?

**CthuluIsSpy**

pretre wrote:
No:

Hard to Hit:
Shots resolved at such a target can
only be resolved as Snap Shots unless
the model or weapon has the Skyfire
special rule (see page 42).Template,
Blast and Large Blast weapons cannot
hit Swooping models.

Skyfire allows you to make shots other than snap shots at flying targets. Some things are still prohibited from hitting them even with skyfire though .

Ah damn, it seems that I was ninja'd.
Hold on, does that mean that the death ray can target flyers if skyfire is used?

**pretre**

No. Read hard to hit.

Shots are resolved as snap unless you have skyfire.

Also, templates, blasts, large blast (and because of FAQ), line, etc so on can never hit Swooping/Flying models.

Skyfire JUST allows you to hit flyers at full BS, not to fire prohibited weapon types.

**Melchiour**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
pretre wrote:
No:

Hard to Hit:
Shots resolved at such a target can
only be resolved as Snap Shots unless
the model or weapon has the Skyfire
special rule (see page 42).Template,
Blast and Large Blast weapons cannot
hit Swooping models.

Skyfire allows you to make shots other than snap shots at flying targets. Some things are still prohibited from hitting them even with skyfire though .

Ah damn, it seems that I was ninja'd.
Hold on, does that mean that the death ray can target flyers if skyfire is used?

Necron FAQ says deathray may not hit flyers or FMC.

**pretre**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Hold on, does that mean that the death ray can target flyers if skyfire is used?

No, it is a prohibited attack type. Skyfire only allows you to use full BS, it does not allow you to fire weapons of a prohibited type.

**daedalus-templarius**

BlueDagger wrote:
pretre wrote:
Eldar really did not get nerfed.

Yeah..... about that... jsut to name a few

- Star engines got a big nerf, they give +6 inches to flat out. For that many points? no thanks
- No more 2D6 on veil. We knew it was coming, but still a massive nerf.
- Runes of Wardning no longer stacks
- Vibro Cannon can't hit fliers
- Destructors can't overwatch

Who the hell ever thought runes of warding stacked? That is just completely ridiculous.

**Mohoc**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Hold on, does that mean that the death ray can target flyers if skyfire is used?

No, because Death Rays doesn't use a ballistic skill.

**40k-noob**

pretre wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Hold on, does that mean that the death ray can target flyers if skyfire is used?

No, it is a prohibited attack type. Skyfire only allows you to use full BS, it does not allow you to fire weapons of a prohibited type.

Right but the answer now says that ONLY SNAPSHOTS can hit ....
So Skyfire is now nullified at least that is how it reads to me.

**pretre**

40k-noob wrote:
pretre wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Hold on, does that mean that the death ray can target flyers if skyfire is used?

No, it is a prohibited attack type. Skyfire only allows you to use full BS, it does not allow you to fire weapons of a prohibited type.

Right but the answer now says that ONLY SNAPSHOTS can hit ....
So Skyfire is now nullified at least that is how it reads to me.

The same thing the main rulebook says. Skyfire is an EXCEPTION to the rule that only snap shots can hit. That's why it is a USR and in the USR section.

**CthuluIsSpy**

pretre wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Hold on, does that mean that the death ray can target flyers if skyfire is used?

No, it is a prohibited attack type. Skyfire only allows you to use full BS, it does not allow you to fire weapons of a prohibited type.

Well, that's too bad. Oh well, I still have the tesla destructor.

**BlueDagger**

daedalus-templarius wrote:

Who the hell ever thought runes of warding stacked? That is just completely ridiculous.

Eldar FAQ wrote:Page 26 – Runes of Warding.
Change the last sentence to: “All enemy Psykers must roll an
extra dice when taking Psychic tests, suffering Perils of the
Warp on any roll of 12 or above.”

There was nothing stated it didn't.

**AlmightyWalrus**

BlueDagger wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:

Who the hell ever thought runes of warding stacked? That is just completely ridiculous.

Eldar FAQ wrote:Page 26 – Runes of Warding.
Change the last sentence to: “All enemy Psykers must roll an
extra dice when taking Psychic tests, suffering Perils of the
Warp on any roll of 12 or above.”

There was nothing stated it didn't.

The rolling of an extra die is already satisfied with one RoW, which means they don't do anything if there's more of them.

**40k-noob**

pretre wrote:
40k-noob wrote:
pretre wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Hold on, does that mean that the death ray can target flyers if skyfire is used?

No, it is a prohibited attack type. Skyfire only allows you to use full BS, it does not allow you to fire weapons of a prohibited type.

Right but the answer now says that ONLY SNAPSHOTS can hit ....
So Skyfire is now nullified at least that is how it reads to me.

The same thing the main rulebook says. Skyfire is an EXCEPTION to the rule that only snap shots can hit. That's why it is a USR and in the USR section.

Gotcha.

**rigeld2**

AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The rolling of an extra die is already satisfied with one RoW, which means they don't do anything if there's more of them.

No it's not. "extra" compared to what? Normal? What's normal? So according to you, Runes of Witnessing don't work if you're subjected to Runes of Warding/Shadows in the Warp?

It absolutely stacked until this FAQ.

**Grimnarsmate**

No, they still fire snap shots but at their full ballistic skill....

**Happyjew**

rigeld2 wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The rolling of an extra die is already satisfied with one RoW, which means they don't do anything if there's more of them.

No it's not. "extra" compared to what? Normal? What's normal? So according to you, Runes of Witnessing don't work if you're subjected to Runes of Warding/Shadows in the Warp?

It absolutely stacked until this FAQ.

Well per the FAQ Runes of Witnessing don't work if under the effects of Runes of Warding.

**daedalus-templarius**

lol, as if it wasn't hard enough casting anything rolling 3d6; I guess no one ever used that at my FLGS because it seemed too absurd.

Oh well, glad its cleared up... so I can continue not to cast anything vs an Eldar.

**rigeld2**

Happyjew wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The rolling of an extra die is already satisfied with one RoW, which means they don't do anything if there's more of them.

No it's not. "extra" compared to what? Normal? What's normal? So according to you, Runes of Witnessing don't work if you're subjected to Runes of Warding/Shadows in the Warp?

It absolutely stacked until this FAQ.

Well per the FAQ Runes of Witnessing don't work if under the effects of Runes of Warding.

Fair enough.
So who wins in Witnessing vs Shadows?

(oh - and they fixed Spre Cloud!)

**Happyjew**

Spre cloud was fixed in the Version 1 FAQ. Witnessing vs Shadows is still taken on 4D6.

I'm glad they've dealt with Trygon Prime's character status.

**Gloomfang**

Happyjew wrote:

I'm glad they've dealt with Trygon Prime's character status.

Still not sure why they made Trygon Primes a char. There are tons of Nids with synapse that are not characters.

Still directed fire and being able to direct hits with them should be fun. Challangess can go either way depending on the unit your in combat with.

I wonder how many Trigon Prime warlords we are going to see?

**Happyjew**

Primes are Heavy Support. Warlords are chosen from HQ choices.

**pretre**

So the answer is zero?

**Gloomfang**

Happyjew wrote:
Primes are Heavy Support. Warlords are chosen from HQ choices.

Brain fart.. Thought it was HQ or charater.

Edit: Tervigons do it to me. They can be both HQ and Troops and I see a lot of Tervigon Warlords.