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**AgeOfEgos**

It can matter.

Let's say you have a 5 man Honor Guard squad with a Sanguinary Priest and 4 Meltaguns. Unit takes 12 wounds and the Priest is the closest.

Old way:

Make 12 saves
Make 4 FNP
Make 2 LOS

2 dead

New way:

Make a LOS one at a time
Make an armor save
Make a FNP
Make a LOS
Make an armor save
Make a FNP

The difference is you must decide to LOS before seeing how you roll---and the minute you fail an armor save, FNP and LOS--you do not get the benefit of the Sanguinary Priest for the remainder of your saving throws. Or, if you really wanted to abuse LOS and FNP in the old way--Corbulo. This removed that option.

The change can also interact in other ways--with the new addition of "Must allocate to the closest model" and the fact you do not 'know' how many failed saves you will have...but the above is the main thing.

**daedalus-templarius**

HoverBoy wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:
coredump wrote:
Just do it the old way, it doesn't change anything.

Seems like a confusing addition if it doesn't do anything

It prevents this.

Ah I see... that guy was just doing it wrong, heh.

So basically if your unit has all the same save, you can still just roll all saves, then LOS. That's fine with me.

I figured that was the way you did it in mixed armor saves anyway.

**DarknessEternal**

HoverBoy wrote:
daedalus-templarius wrote:
coredump wrote:
Just do it the old way, it doesn't change anything.

Seems like a confusing addition if it doesn't do anything

It prevents this.

No, the rule that LOS goes onto the nearest available model prevents that. There's no need to change the rolling scheme.

**Fragile**

It was causing confusion with people saying you can do LOS with saved or unsaved wounds. Those people were missing the whole trigger on allocation part of the process.

**coredump**

AgeOfEgos wrote:
It can matter.

Let's say you have a 5 man Honor Guard squad with a Sanguinary Priest and 4 Meltaguns. Unit takes 12 wounds and the Priest is the closest.

Old way:

Make 12 saves
Make 4 FNP
Make 2 LOS

2 dead

New way:

Make a LOS one at a time
Make an armor save
Make a FNP
Make a LOS
Make an armor save
Make a FNP

The difference is you must decide to LOS before seeing how you roll---and the minute you fail an armor save, FNP and LOS--you do not get the benefit of the Sanguinary Priest for the remainder of your saving throws. Or, if you really wanted to abuse LOS and FNP in the old way--Corbulo. This removed that option.

The change can also interact in other ways--with the new addition of "Must allocate to the closest model" and the fact you do not 'know' how many failed saves you will have...but the above is the main thing.

It still doesn't change the end result, you just get there using a different method.

Fragile is correct, what it does is now give only 1 method of utilizing LOS, to stop the confusion some folks were having.

**AgeOfEgos**

I don't see how the same conclusion can be reached (Granted I've been in SQL all day and am tired) but--let's roll this one out;

New Way

5 Marines with a Priest, Priest closest---18 wounds

I roll LOS, make it---make my armor save
I roll another LOS for the priest which fails (armor save fails), FNP Fails (bad dice--Priest dead!)

That leaves me another 16 saves on my 4 other marines---and they will not benefit from FNP. They all likely die.

Old Way

5 Marines with a Priest, Priest closest---18 wounds

I make 18 saving throws (ALL of these throws benefit from FNP--unlike above as this is a non-mixed unit)
I fail 6sh, make 3 FNP throws (As my priest is still alive) at this step. Now I try and LOS the 3 actual failed wounds.
Best case, I'm down to my priest and 2 other marines. Worst case, a LOS fails and I'm down to 3 marines.

**Fragile**

AgeOfEgos wrote:
I don't see how the same conclusion can be reached (Granted I've been in SQL all day and am tired) but--let's roll this one out;

New Way

5 Marines with a Priest, Priest closest---18 wounds

I roll the first time for the priest (armor save first here), fail but make my FNP
I roll the second time for the priest (armor save fails), FNP Fails. I LOS and also fail (bad dice--Priest dead!)

That leaves me another 16 saves on my 4 other marines---and they will not benefit from FNP. They all likely die.

Old Way

5 Marines with a Priest, Priest closest---18 wounds

I make 18 saving throws (ALL of these throws benefit from FNP--unlike above as this is a non-mixed unit)
I fail 6sh, make 3 FNP throws (As my priest is still alive) at this step. Now I try and LOS the 3 actual failed wounds.
Best case, I'm down to my priest and 2 other marines. Worst case, a LOS fails and I'm down to 3 marines.

Anything can happen with bad dice rolls.

**copper.talos**

The above FNP abuse is covered by the faq that says that in any unit with FNP, always use the mixed save method.

**coredump**

AgeOfEgos wrote:
I don't see how the same conclusion can be reached (Granted I've been in SQL all day and am tired) but--let's roll this one out;

New Way

5 Marines with a Priest, Priest closest---18 wounds

I roll the first time for the priest (armor save first here), fail but make my FNP
I roll the second time for the priest (armor save fails), FNP Fails. I LOS and also fail (bad dice--Priest dead!)

That leaves me another 16 saves on my 4 other marines---and they will not benefit from FNP. They all likely die.

Old Way

5 Marines with a Priest, Priest closest---18 wounds

I make 18 saving throws (ALL of these throws benefit from FNP--unlike above as this is a non-mixed unit)
I fail 6sh, make 3 FNP throws (As my priest is still alive) at this step. Now I try and LOS the 3 actual failed wounds.
Best case, I'm down to my priest and 2 other marines. Worst case, a LOS fails and I'm down to 3 marines.

The first mistake is the 'old way' would not roll all of the FnP rolls. Those trigger only after an unsaved wound is suffered.
Second mistake is you don't understand the 'new way'. The Priest would need to LOS *before* rolling his saves.

In any case, assuming the same rolls for both situations (X failed saves, Y LOS, Z FnP) then the results will be the same.

**AgeOfEgos**

coredump wrote:

Second mistake is you don't understand the 'new way'. The Priest would need to LOS *before* rolling his saves.

In any case, assuming the same rolls for both situations (X failed saves, Y LOS, Z FnP) then the results will be the same.

Good catch--I updated my OP to match my other post on the page but given what copper just posted below..

copper.talos wrote:The above FNP abuse is covered by the faq that says that in any unit with FNP, always use the mixed save method.

...and that clears it right up. Good find, can't believe I missed that. Thanks!

**Battlesong**

Gloomfang wrote:
No manually firing weapon emplacements OR emplaced weapons for Nids anymore. That stings a LOT.

They gave FMC skyfire. Need to reread the flyer rules to make sure that makes any diffrence as the Harpy only has blast weapons.

And after all my debates, Broodlord's can't fire ANY Witchfire powers. (Need to read the Orc FAQ to see what happens to Old Zogwart.)

Looks like I am batting 50% on rules I was debating.

FMC Skyfire on Flyrants with 2 sets of TL Devourers, though

My issue is not with the fact that the Broodlord can't use witchfire, but that you can't even reroll if you get one.....I mean, really?

**Bladed Crescent**

Is that in the FAQs that you can't re-roll powers that can't be used (as opposed to powers you just don't like)? It seems (emphasis on that part

) like a no-brainer, since you already can re-roll Level 2 Powers if you're Mastery Level 1 and can't use them.

**Sigvatr**

Monolith nerfed, CCB nerfed, Anrakyr nerfed...

Geeeez, GW, WE GET IT. We will never dare using anything other than flyers, Annhilation Barges and Wraiths + DL. No need to press it.

**Lobokai**

Big Winners: Tau!! I'm floored, pleased and surprised! Those Hammerheads and Broadsides are gonna get dusted off and fielded soon.

**HoverBoy**

Lobukia wrote:
Big Winners: Tau!! I'm floored, pleased and surprised! Those Hammerheads and Broadsides are gonna get dusted off and fielded soon.

Way ahead of ya

**rigeld2**

Bladed Crescent wrote:
Is that in the FAQs that you can't re-roll powers that can't be used (as opposed to powers you just don't like)? It seems (emphasis on that part ) like a no-brainer, since you already can re-roll Level 2 Powers if you're Mastery Level 1 and can't use them.

Yes. No re-rolling witch fire for broodlords.

**Ascalam**

My DE like their AP2 Klaives

Not sure on the ork FAQ's yet. Too tired for it to sink in tonight.

Nice for the Tau to get thrown a bone, for once..

**HoverBoy**

rigeld2 wrote:
Bladed Crescent wrote:
Is that in the FAQs that you can't re-roll powers that can't be used (as opposed to powers you just don't like)? It seems (emphasis on that part ) like a no-brainer, since you already can re-roll Level 2 Powers if you're Mastery Level 1 and can't use them.

Yes. No re-rolling witch fire for broodlords.

It seems to suck, but seeing as how broodlords are troop choice lvl1 psykers with two powers that can be taken for less than 120 pts have very good stats and a minimum of 4 meatshields, i'd say it's a risk we'll have to deal with.

**AArdvark085**

Q: Which missile launchers have access to ? (p57/415)
A: Only those that specifically have an option to take them as
an upgrade in their army list

So does this mean that no-one has Flak Missiles yet or units with missile launchers have them? If you look up the missile launcher profile on the pages listed it has the Flak missile included? I wish they clarified this a little more.

**DarknessEternal**

AArdvark085 wrote:
Q: Which missile launchers have access to ? (p57/415)
A: Only those that specifically have an option to take them as
an upgrade in their army list

So does this mean that no-one has Flak Missiles yet or units with missile launchers have them? If you look up the missile launcher profile on the pages listed it has the Flak missile included? I wish they clarified this a little more.

What could you possibly want clarified? It says it has to specifically mention that you can take them. Zero missile launchers say that.

**Lobokai**

AArdvark085 wrote:
Q: Which missile launchers have access to ? (p57/415)
A: Only those that specifically have an option to take them as
an upgrade in their army list

So does this mean that no-one has Flak Missiles yet or units with missile launchers have them? If you look up the missile launcher profile on the pages listed it has the Flak missile included? I wish they clarified this a little more.

Pretty clear, no one... I don't have an option to buy flak missiles in any of my codices (and I own them all).

EDIT: Ninja'd

**Steelmage99**

AArdvark085 wrote:
Q: Which missile launchers have access to ? (p57/415)
A: Only those that specifically have an option to take them as
an upgrade in their army list

So does this mean that no-one has Flak Missiles yet or units with missile launchers have them? If you look up the missile launcher profile on the pages listed it has the Flak missile included? I wish they clarified this a little more.

Seems pretty clear to me.

**grendel083**

Not only is the FAQ crystal clear, the missile launcher description on P57 says its an upgrade option available to some launchers.
I think the FAQ was only added because so many just looked at the reference at the back and didn't bother to look at the rule itself.

**The Infinite**

Is it just me or are the FAQs all formatted to make searching for keywords impossible, since all the bold words are apparently images?

**CthuluIsSpy**

The Infinite wrote:
Is it just me or are the FAQs all formatted to make searching for keywords impossible, since all the bold words are apparently images?

Try saving it as a PDF. The search in the browser doesn't seem to work.