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Nazi Orks and Dildo Defilers wouldn't phase me in the slightest, I personally wouldn't do it but don't care if others want to wreck their expensive models in that way. I'm sure some people would be offended by contemporary US Army Space Marines, or Soviet IG, or Japanese style Tau etc etc. Everyone has their own boundaries and to push your moral values on another is the height of arrogance.

I've had people raise eyebrows when they see my Waffen-SS. It's a WW2 game for crying out loud ><

So the old rule of no religion or politics please, prevails as a line.

But everything is religion or politics!

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
But everything is religion or politics!

Well with big brass knobs on.

How unsavoury of you!

sorry if this is a bit old, but if you want WWII germans for a 40k army why not the Afrikacorps? my great uncle was actually captured by them and he's got some stories about how they were generally decent people who realized they were in the wrong, but kept fighting to keep their homeland from being destroyed.
there's actually a story about when they were first captured they were brought before Rommel and he saw a Star of David pendant one of them was wearing. he yanked it off the guy's neck threw it on the ground and burred it with his foot before telling the man: "you never had this, understood?"

I'm currently working on a prophet Muhammed themed army.

 yeri wrote:
sorry if this is a bit old, but if you want WWII germans for a 40k army why not the Afrikacorps? my great uncle was actually captured by them and he's got some stories about how they were generally decent people who realized they were in the wrong, but kept fighting to keep their homeland from being destroyed.
there's actually a story about when they were first captured they were brought before Rommel and he saw a Star of David pendant one of them was wearing. he yanked it off the guy's neck threw it on the ground and burred it with his foot before telling the man: "you never had this, understood?"

May work for Imperial Guard. Rommel wasn't a Nazi, never went with the party line and never gave the party salute. Shame he didn't serve in Europe, as I am sure he would not have allowed Roma conscripts to have been taken to the concentration camps.

[Boring history lesson] Roughly 50% of Europe's Roma were murdered in the holocaust, and as an after thought, and are still subject to persecution in some eastern and southern parts of Europe today. /[boring history lesson]


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fishy bob wrote:
I'm currently working on a prophet Muhammed themed army.

So that would be lots of priests and SOB then. Not really original imho.

 Dark wrote:
Eh, without the red bands with swaticas on their arms, I'd totally field a SS looking like army.

Why? 'Cause it's hard to get classier than Hugo Boss designs on the battlefield~

I guess most people(including me) would even be fine with red bands without any further symbolism. That's pretty much what regular Comissars, DKoK or models like Zagstrukk etc look like anyways.

I've actually seen an SS-looking IG that had all their badges, flags and arm bands bearing symbols looking like this:



It still had the look he wanted, no one was offended, and he even got congratulated for the idea and nice looking army. Win-Win.

fishy bob wrote:
I'm currently working on a prophet Muhammed themed army.

Unless Muhammed is an empty base with a couple of footprints, or a sculpting blank painted stark white (how Muslims portray him in historical illustrations) please do not post that here. honestly with what happened this week, you probably shouldn't make the army at all. if a low budget troll can get a bunch of people killed, that army will at least get the game a fatwa, so please don't.

 yeri wrote:

Unless Muhammed is an empty base with a couple of footprints, or a sculpting blank painted stark white (how Muslims portray him in historical illustrations) please do not post that here. honestly with what happened this week, you probably shouldn't make the army at all. if a low budget troll can get a bunch of people killed, that army will at least get the game a fatwa, so please don't.

I know your from the US, but as one that comes from a country that has suffered American backed terrorism, I can only say that your lip needs stiffening.

*GW Nottingham receives Fatwa, new signs put out side GW stores topped with an Aquilla*



or more likely



That is the problem with you Americans. You make speak the language, but you never inherited the backbone.

What happened this week?

I think a good example is to reference the source but not necessarily copy it straight down...for instance, in the transfer sheets for the guard tanks there are some symbols that look like a hammer from the communist flag, which are designed to be included with a soviet/red army theme, but they aren't the true sickle and hammer so no one can claim offense to it....if you want to do Nazis, maybe do a plus sign instead of a swastika, or maybe the knight's cross.....as for kids....children fight, its a fact of war...even in the source material there are guardsmen who are under 18 (i think the main character from 15 hours was 17)

I think the cutoff for the nazis was 14....so I think that would be all right....don't make them wee lads, but I don't see an issue with teens

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
What happened this week?

an Egyptian copt trolled Islam on youtube with a movie called "the inoccence of muslims" (I won't even gratify it by capitalizing it) now a mob stormed our embassy in Libya and killed our ambassador and smeared his blood on the walls. they're storming our embassies all across the middle east right now.

Also I'm normally not one for being PC, but seriously these people don't know the rules of the internet, or even that free speech can't be controlled by the government. they see a troll and feed him with blood.

Frakhead wrote:

 yeri wrote:
sorry if this is a bit old, but if you want WWII germans for a 40k army why not the Afrikacorps? my great uncle was actually captured by them and he's got some stories about how they were generally decent people who realized they were in the wrong, but kept fighting to keep their homeland from being destroyed.
there's actually a story about when they were first captured they were brought before Rommel and he saw a Star of David pendant one of them was wearing. he yanked it off the guy's neck threw it on the ground and burred it with his foot before telling the man: "you never had this, understood?"

May work for Imperial Guard. Rommel wasn't a Nazi, never went with the party line and never gave the party salute. Shame he didn't serve in Europe, as I am sure he would not have allowed Roma conscripts to have been taken to the concentration camps.

I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense.

The idea of Rommel being, essentially, " a nice Nazi-lite" has been comprehensively debunked seval times now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1097643/The-real-Rommel-Enduring-myth-decent-Nazi-debunked.html

He was an out and out nazi, who stongrly supported the party line.
He only had his position due to the Nazi regime.

The German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel achieved a rare feat for any military commander - he became a legend in his own lifetime - and he remains the best known German general of World War Two in the English speaking world.

In fact, Rommel was acutely aware of the power of propaganda in developing his career and reputation. He assiduously courted the German government's media machine, the Ministry of Information and Propaganda run by Joseph Goebbels. Rommel's interest arose from the fact that his position in the German army was entirely dependent on Hitler's patronage. Since he had never been staff trained, the normal professional route to high command was not open to him.

His book Infantry Attacks, however, which detailed his extraordinary feats of bravery in World War One, caught Hitler's attention, and the Führer gave him the command of his bodyguard battalion during the Polish campaign of 1939

 reds8n wrote:

Frakhead wrote:

 yeri wrote:
sorry if this is a bit old, but if you want WWII germans for a 40k army why not the Afrikacorps? my great uncle was actually captured by them and he's got some stories about how they were generally decent people who realized they were in the wrong, but kept fighting to keep their homeland from being destroyed.
there's actually a story about when they were first captured they were brought before Rommel and he saw a Star of David pendant one of them was wearing. he yanked it off the guy's neck threw it on the ground and burred it with his foot before telling the man: "you never had this, understood?"

May work for Imperial Guard. Rommel wasn't a Nazi, never went with the party line and never gave the party salute. Shame he didn't serve in Europe, as I am sure he would not have allowed Roma conscripts to have been taken to the concentration camps.

I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense.

The idea of Rommel being, essentially, " a nice Nazi-lite" has been comprehensively debunked seval times now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1097643/The-real-Rommel-Enduring-myth-decent-Nazi-debunked.html

He was an out and out nazi, who stongrly supported the party line.
He only had his position due to the Nazi regime.

The German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel achieved a rare feat for any military commander - he became a legend in his own lifetime - and he remains the best known German general of World War Two in the English speaking world.

In fact, Rommel was acutely aware of the power of propaganda in developing his career and reputation. He assiduously courted the German government's media machine, the Ministry of Information and Propaganda run by Joseph Goebbels. Rommel's interest arose from the fact that his position in the German army was entirely dependent on Hitler's patronage. Since he had never been staff trained, the normal professional route to high command was not open to him.

His book Infantry Attacks, however, which detailed his extraordinary feats of bravery in World War One, caught Hitler's attention, and the Führer gave him the command of his bodyguard battalion during the Polish campaign of 1939

Have you got information that does not come from a tabloid? nothing wrong with the Daily Mail per se, but it is quite sensationalist. Monty is said to have admired Rommel, which is good enough for me.


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 Niner009 wrote:
I think a good example is to reference the source but not necessarily copy it straight down...for instance, in the transfer sheets for the guard tanks there are some symbols that look like a hammer from the communist flag, which are designed to be included with a soviet/red army theme, but they aren't the true sickle and hammer so no one can claim offense to it....if you want to do Nazis, maybe do a plus sign instead of a swastika, or maybe the knight's cross.....as for kids....children fight, its a fact of war...even in the source material there are guardsmen who are under 18 (i think the main character from 15 hours was 17)

I think the cutoff for the nazis was 14....so I think that would be all right....don't make them wee lads, but I don't see an issue with teens

In the UK it is 16, and has been since forever as far as I know.

Background wise I have 8 year olds as PDF, which is pretty much the medieval age of non-front line troops. Training starts at 3, which is taken from the age that Kung Fu and other martial arts were taught (maybe they still are), you are picked at birth to actually do military service.

The Orks that I saw had a Orky skull in the centre, as I said, the whole theme was orkyfied (is there an actual word for making things Orky?)


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 yeri wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
What happened this week?

an Egyptian copt trolled Islam on youtube with a movie called "the inoccence of muslims" (I won't even gratify it by capitalizing it) now a mob stormed our embassy in Libya and killed our ambassador and smeared his blood on the walls. they're storming our embassies all across the middle east right now.

Also I'm normally not one for being PC, but seriously these people don't know the rules of the internet, or even that free speech can't be controlled by the government. they see a troll and feed him with blood.

What? I heard a Jewish business man was involved in the mix as well as that nut job priest you have in the states... The one that was going to burn books (no good can come from a guy who wants to burn books)

I am also a bit suspicious of this article, the author's source seems to be mostly speculation. also if this is the Allan Hall that I think it is there is no way he could have written that article, he was dead for almost seven years when this article was published.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Hall
Unless the author is Molly Squidpidge or a pseudonym it couldn't have been Allan Hall.

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 yeri wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
What happened this week?

an Egyptian copt trolled Islam on youtube with a movie called "the inoccence of muslims" (I won't even gratify it by capitalizing it) now a mob stormed our embassy in Libya and killed our ambassador and smeared his blood on the walls. they're storming our embassies all across the middle east right now.

Also I'm normally not one for being PC, but seriously these people don't know the rules of the internet, or even that free speech can't be controlled by the government. they see a troll and feed him with blood.

What? I heard a Jewish business man was involved in the mix as well as that nut job priest you have in the states... The one that was going to burn books (no good can come from a guy who wants to burn books)

the producer a shady copt said that he had been given 5 mil to make the film by 100 Jewish contributors (if that doesn't raise the troll flag what does 2/10) and that nut job priest promoted the film.

 reds8n wrote:

Frakhead wrote:

 yeri wrote:
sorry if this is a bit old, but if you want WWII germans for a 40k army why not the Afrikacorps? my great uncle was actually captured by them and he's got some stories about how they were generally decent people who realized they were in the wrong, but kept fighting to keep their homeland from being destroyed.
there's actually a story about when they were first captured they were brought before Rommel and he saw a Star of David pendant one of them was wearing. he yanked it off the guy's neck threw it on the ground and burred it with his foot before telling the man: "you never had this, understood?"

May work for Imperial Guard. Rommel wasn't a Nazi, never went with the party line and never gave the party salute. Shame he didn't serve in Europe, as I am sure he would not have allowed Roma conscripts to have been taken to the concentration camps.

I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense.

The idea of Rommel being, essentially, " a nice Nazi-lite" has been comprehensively debunked seval times now.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1097643/The-real-Rommel-Enduring-myth-decent-Nazi-debunked.html

He was an out and out nazi, who stongrly supported the party line.
He only had his position due to the Nazi regime.

The German Field Marshal Erwin Rommel achieved a rare feat for any military commander - he became a legend in his own lifetime - and he remains the best known German general of World War Two in the English speaking world.

In fact, Rommel was acutely aware of the power of propaganda in developing his career and reputation. He assiduously courted the German government's media machine, the Ministry of Information and Propaganda run by Joseph Goebbels. Rommel's interest arose from the fact that his position in the German army was entirely dependent on Hitler's patronage. Since he had never been staff trained, the normal professional route to high command was not open to him.

His book Infantry Attacks, however, which detailed his extraordinary feats of bravery in World War One, caught Hitler's attention, and the Führer gave him the command of his bodyguard battalion during the Polish campaign of 1939

He is mainly well regarded because of the treatment of British POWs. My graddad fought in the 8th Army and always spoke highly of Rommel, though he was never captured himself. He was also associated with the anti-Hitler plot, so people assume he was anti-nazi.

Censorship is obscene.

Paint your army however you want them to look.

You can not please everyone so please yourself. Those that mind do not matter, and those that matter do not mind.

I actually had to sign up an account to post in this thread

As luck would have it, I have an Imperial Guard army based on a WW2 era German "Heer" army. The paint schemes and uniforms are clearly inspired by history. So why do this, and how do you keep it from being tasteless?

1. First, Wargames Factory makes that great Shock Troop box set, as seen here: http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/alien-suns/shock-troops-sci-fi-greatcoat-troopers . They're not as good as GW kits, but they fill the long desired "greatcoat" guard look nicely. And, the helmets and uniforms are clearly inspired by German aesthetic.

2. I grew up reading "Finescale Modeler", which runs articles every month on painting miniature tanks. And, for whatever reason, in the 1/35 scale miniature kit world, German subjects were dominant through the 70s, 80s, and 90s. (Thankfully, there's a lot more variety now) Thus, most of the painting guides were for getting just the right "Dunkelgelb." So, it's a natural extension of that modeling world to bring those techniques to the 40k designs.

3. In spite of these inspirations, this is not intended to represent a "nazi" army, in two different ways.

First, the national socialist party of Germany is anachronistic to the 40k setting; in my personal fluff these are regiments are raised from Hive Volkholm, capital city of the Vulcanheim industrial core that provides munitions to Cadia prior to Volkholme's fall to Chaos during the 13th Black Crusade. In spite of the dunkelgelb paint schemes and feldgrau great coats, no non-40k symbols appear in this army. While I do not agree with the degree of self-censorship evident in this thread, I agree that symbols like the Swastika imply direct connection with the literal real-world Nazis, a connection that implies either historical recreation or support of nazi ideology.

Second, even historically the German army of the second world war was not comprised of "nazis" as we think of them. The majority of the forces fighting were general "heer" or army units, undertaking a war of conquest that, while vile, was on par morally with WWI or even the Napoleonic wars; an act of aggression to claim power and property, and to settle past grudges and pride.

Alongside this common army are the party members, and the SS units, who are the nazis we think of when think of WW2. From them we get the death camps and the holocaust, which I think is really the stomach turning part of the war, the part that shocked the outside world to the core and has remained an enduring symbol of what evil is for the majority of a century to follow. War has always been hell, but this was something different to western eyes, something far, far worse.

Consequently, I wouldn't make a 40k army inspired specifically by the SS, anymore than I would make cutesy little "death camp" terrain to be fought over. There's a reason the History channel used to get German and US tank commanders together in the same room to discuss their experiences and the merits of the tanks and tactics used, rather than packing the German commander off to a war crimes trial the moment he turned up - the activities of the SS and the German armed forces were distinct. One was guilty of nationalism and war mongering, something altogether common in European history. The other, unforgivable, industrialized genocide.

For further examples of what I've tried to do with my Imperial Guard army to skirt this line, consider the Fantasy Flight game "Dust Tactics," which features an alternate World War 2 that invites players to take on the role of the Axis, piloting giant robots and mutant apes against the Allies. How did they get the German aesthetic, without encouraging players to play Nazis? Essentially, they built up an alternate history in which a cabal of mystics and super-scientists assassinate Hitler, purge the Nazi party from the government, and set about renewing the war effort for reasons only they are really privy to. (It involves an imminent alien invasion that is Germany's fault) I think Dust nicely captures the two-fisted Weird War version of history, without the really icky parts, and it's this style I hope to emulate in my own army.

 Horst wrote:
You can't just slap some nazi symbols or dildos on an army and call it a day.

 Decio wrote:
^ Nazis are more specific than guns

This thread has been very educational imho.

Frakhead wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

Have you got information that does not come from a tabloid? nothing wrong with the Daily Mail per se, but it is quite sensationalist. Monty is said to have admired Rommel, which is good enough for me.

If you read the article concerned you'll see it's about an exhibition in Germany from a few years back, it's not a random article written "just because".

.. Which given the Mail's history is exceptionally unlikely.

as to the idea that he's dead ..


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=y&authornamef=Allan+Hall

looks like it's a different person/persons seeing as articles under this name are appearing in this very week.