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 daedalus-templarius wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
Fixing the scale?

From the sounds of it, they're borking it up worse than it already was!

Yea, this is probably more accurate

YES!! yes!!!! soon 4 marines will be bigger than my RT rhinos.

 Ouze wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
The amount of detail coming from GW plastics is getting insane. (i am praying these are all plastic)

I will see how well I can manage to paint my DV Chosen and then decide if I can paint this new style of chaos competently.

I'm confident the Raptors will be Finecast, yes?

Please, no. Anything but that.


Looks like the transformer bird is back in the running for counts-as armored dino-dragon, at least for Tzeench;

Rumors had both the new raptors and new possessed raptors in plastic.

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:
Sorry if I missed it in the thread, but do we have a date for the new chaos codex yet? I am just holding off on painting my DV chaos guys until I have the new codex in hand and know what theme my army is going to have.

29th September seems likely with previews this weekend. Follows the usual pattern.

Leaks on Monday or Tuesday
Official Preview on Saturday
Release on the following Saturday

 Alpharius wrote:

 Goldshield wrote:
When I first heard about the dragon, I thought it was going to look odd in 40k. Now that I see it, I want Kharn on the back of that thing throwing up the horns with an axe-guitar and heavy metal music playing with lightning in the background.
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YES! I can see it!

Now I might be the only 13 year old inhabiting an adults body(beer gut and all) but I have yet to hear a comparison that does not make any of them more awesome. Transformers? awesome, zoids? awesome, Power rangers?, THE AWESOMES(I have the recent episode where all the red rangers come together and fought a dragon engine ON THE MOON SQQUUUEEEEE)

I feel like(just from the models) they have made it possible to play a dark mechanicus army straight out of the book, rumors on the marks/icons system makes it sound like you can effectively play the legions out of the book. Combined with allied guard(if you think you need to) you can effectively play Chaos renegades as well as lost and the damned. It looks like they are trying to get everything into one book and all the options/variety that comes with that. I am personally very VERY excited. Combine this with the pre-heresy forgeworld stuff and my hunt for a job just got much more desperate.

I am guessing that the warp talons will be in finecast, and that the raptors(becoming closer to assault marines in function and points) will become a plastic kit. Nothing to base this on however, just intuition.

I guess I'm in the "Yay for new models!" camp since I haven't played in years. So my first reactions are; What do I see and what can I do with what I see?

The Flyer - First I hoped there were no feet on the back, then thought how silly it would look if there was just a giant exhaust port/bunghole. I hope there's a decent rear on that thing. However, I personally think it would look much better if the wings were flipped from side to side and swept back in that dive pose.

Forgefiend - Interesting concept with either a bad pose or a bad picture angle. The head and arms look weird how they show it. I think this model will shine once people start putting out conversions. It's a solid base sculpt with lots of room for conversions and I promise you the web will be crawling with awesome examples in the next couple months.

Maulerfiend - Same as above really, although the picture/pose came across much better. I'm looking forward to the conversions that will come from this guy.

Warpsmith - I have an IW force so this guy is a must have. However I agree with the previously made comment that this looks like a Tech Marine gone bad. I'm not sure if I personally like that, but I guess I will take it. Also, lots of cool looking bits on there!

Warp Talons - Cool NOT RAPTORS minis and I can't wait to see the rules on these guys in the Codex. The one thing I don't like (also brought up by someone else) are those "winglet" things on the packs. Depending on how they go together, I can see some cool conversions here as well, with those packs.

Overall I can see the direction GW is trying to take. As an IW collector, new machines are always good. I think the conversion potential for the 2 big kits will be huge. I'm betting we will see lots of great stuff on the web over the next 2-3 months. As always there's love/hate for anything that comes out. That's just the way it is.

Am I the only one who thinks that the warpsmith is just a techmarine with a few more arms, and thus disappointing?

I really like the drake. Barroque and mech-organic in the right measure. The Warp Talons are beautiful and the Warpsmith is quite cool.

The fiends..ahem. They look like bad Warmachine jacks with a bit more detail.

Is there another way to get that type of techmarine in the blister, though? I have no interest in starting Iron Warriors, but I am pretty happy for those of you who love 'em.

Yes, the warp smith looks like a techmarine. I'm curious about the name. It used to be that Iron Warriors had War Smiths. This new name seems to indicate that anybody can have one now. Like with the Dark Apostle rumors going around. They used to be a Word Bearer thing.

 Predaking wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks that the warpsmith is just a techmarine with a few more arms, and thus disappointing?

More tentacles and mouths on the end of tentacle? Spiky smokestacks? If that doesn't make you happy, I don't know what will.

Dragon is pretty cool!

Maybe these new Demon Engines will open up a little with some tyranid and fantasy parts. I can see nurgle ones benefitting from heaps and heaps of green stuff.

I guess I'm just not sure what to think of the robo-dino-gorilla yet.

I'm also wondering how to make it a little cleaner cut. They don't seem to fit some of the less chaos embracing traitors too well. Maybe they just wont use them.

I'm assuming both Forgefiends are 4HP?

 pretre wrote:
Or, it could be the first wave as has been rumored by multiple people and the second wave is two weeks later...

When was the last time new models were released without WD previews?

I say bring on the Ahriman rules!

Whoa! All these models look fantastic! Cannot wait to pick up some boxes of these and the new codex! Anyone spotted and new Plague Marines yet?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Or, it could be the first wave as has been rumored by multiple people and the second wave is two weeks later...

When was the last time new models were released without WD previews?

Less than 2 weeks ago.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/450/476112.page#4782436

Sternguard kit wasn't in the WD, iirc. And that's only the most recent example.

 pretre wrote:

Sternguard kit wasn't in the WD, iirc. And that's only the most recent example.

They were in mine! The lightning claws look normal, as opposed to the ones on the website. It's also nice to see what they look like on actual models.

Shut up and take my money!

Seems to me that Warpsmith is painted in a Night Lord theme. Undivided Legions are coming back?

 midget_overlord wrote:

 pretre wrote:

Sternguard kit wasn't in the WD, iirc. And that's only the most recent example.

They were in mine! The lightning claws look normal, as opposed to the ones on the website. It's also nice to see what they look like on actual models.

Aha, thanks, M_O. I'd have to dig back further than, L_BF.

I know they rumored Kharne and abby to be resculpted but are Ahriman or typhus getting recut?

Dragon - Cooler than expected.
Forgefiend - BADASS.
Maulerfiend - Terrible name, but the model looks pretty awesome... what's with the Juggernaut-inspired Chaos machines?
Warpsmith - Cool.
Warp Talons - The wings on the jump packs look a little odd, but the models are cool overall. It might be just the paintjob that makes them look a little awkward.

1.) Okay, I don't play or like Chaos, but to me it should be daemonic like the chosen or hellbrute from the starter box. Dinos and dragons don't fit the theme. They just remind us of cheap toys from the 80s. Maybe we complained too much that Mat Ward's He-man background writing style doesn't fit the 40k model range
2.) I don't like any of the new models. The dragon is ridiculous, the dino is a bit less awkward but still no hit (many Cryx Warjacks look like better alternatives right now), the metal raptors look way more convincing than the new sculpts (which are a multi-option plastic kit).

 pretre wrote:
Also, there was a huge update on the Rumor Tracker. All the folks who said Legions codex just got spanked.

3.) Too early for that. I still think that the new CSM Codex will focus on making Legion lists possible, so justifying calling it a Legions Codex (the literal name was retracted by rumour mongers a while ago).
4.) Here a first pic of the new character model

5.) Companies like Puppet's War are having a field day! Imagine the demand for really daemonic looking alternative sculpts! Get to work, guys!

GIVE THEM TO ME NOW!

These giant demon engines/monsters will go well opposite of my Grey Knights.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Also, there was a huge update on the Rumor Tracker. All the folks who said Legions codex just got spanked.

3.) Too early for that. I still think that the new CSM Codex will focus on making Legion lists possible, so justifying calling it a Legions Codex (the literal name was retracted by rumour mongers a while ago).

I'll ignore the sillyness and focus on this.

I don't think it is too early. People were clearly trying to say that there would be three codexes (renegades, Daemons, Legions) etc. All those got stuck with false. I will happily retract that if the WD also comes with an update for CSM to turn it into C: Renegades and describes the new dex as C: Chaos Legions. The cover of WD seems to disprove that though.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Your point on art being derivative is also pointless from your stance. Being derivative and original is not mutually exclusive.

I hate to do this, but it needs to be done;

derivative (dɪˈrɪvətɪv)
adj
1. resulting from derivation; derived
2. based on or making use of other sources; not original or primary
3. copied from others, esp slavishly; plagiaristic

o·rig·i·nal (-rj-nl)
adj.
1. Preceding all others in time; first.
2.
a. Not derived from something else; fresh and unusual: an original play, not an adaptation.
b. Showing a marked departure from previous practice; new: a truly original approach. See Synonyms at new.
3. Productive of new things or new ideas; inventive: an original mind.
4. Being the source from which a copy, reproduction, or translation is made.

His argument is spot on, these new models are no more and no less derivative than all the others, and no more and no less derivative than those from which they were derived. And if you're honestly arguing that these;




...have less in common with these;




...than these;



...then I'm afraid you are in error my good man, and we shall have to agree to disagree vigorously but in a gentlemanly fashion.


As to the piccies themselves; Love the daemon engines, but I'm not yet sold on the Dragon, I'll have to see if these rumoured god-specific components allow you to significantly modify the aesthetic. If not, I'm not sure, it might be possible to convert it enough that it's less "death-metal-Smaug" and more twisted warp-spawned horror. The Warpsmith is....meh. It's not great, it's not terrible, it's just.....bleugh. I've seen a half-dozen "Techmarine-to-Warsmith" conversions done which are at least as good, I was hoping for more Dark Mechanicus and less Techmarine I suppose. The Warp Talons aren't for me in terms of a unit, but when they hit the ebay bitz retailers they're going to be an excellent source of parts for people who love the Dark Vengeance aesthetic, of whom I am one. Overall; quite pleased, but I was rather hoping for more pictures, hopefully there are at least a couple of character models we've not seen yet.

"Oh no, dinos and dragons are invading our 40k, gods forbid anything be different ever! Gods forbid artists have to draw inspiration from actual things instead of pulling wholly original and impossible concepts out of thin air! Gods forbid we just relax and let the CSM players enjoy their little victory!"

Really guys. These new constructs look like dinosaurs and zoids only in that they have a very vague general shape that may be drawn over by the overactive imagination. These concepts are incredible, they're detailed, they're well-sculpted and they're beautiful.

I'm loving this update. I can't wait to see more leaks come out, or just the whole White Dwarf itself. I can't wait to read about these new constructs, what really inspired them, and how they're going to behave on the tabletop. I can't wait to buy them, build them, paint them, and move them over the table while rolling dice for them. I may not get every single one. I probably won't get the Warp Talons or Warp Smith or Maulerfiend because those things don't fit my playstyle, but I'll probably get the Heldrake and enjoy making rawring and zooming sounds as I fly the finished model around my room.

This is just so typical of the Internet. Y'all are just nuts. Pessimistic, with so many opinions that, sure you're entitled to, but are probably just left unsaid because of how unimportant they are.

Y'know what's going to happen next? The Chaos Marine Codex is going to be released along with a bunch of new models and you all will hum and haw at the models while the true PLAYERS of the game will go out, get them, build them, paint them, and play with them and have a grand old time.

Then, you all will do the EXACT SAME THING for Dark Angels. And for Tau. And even for Sisters of Battle if they get released. It's tired, it's old. Wake up. Find something productive to do. Finish your own models instead of wasting time complaining about everyone else's. If these models are so bad, MAKE BETTER ONES! Go ahead, nobody's stopping you.

I can't tell you all to shut up and go sit in a corner, but please at least try using more than the knee-jerk-reaction center of the brain.

Well said, drbored. Personally I will be using my Necrosphinx as a Maulerfiend, but I am excited for those of you out there who are happy with the new miniatures.

Looks like my dream list will come to fruition after all!

Ahriman
Sorcerer
5 Terminators
4 Squads of Tsons
Maulerfiend
Helldrake

Bring on the codex leaks.

They are stunning, if you don't like them fine... but they are going to see a boat load of flying dragon monstrosities.