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Only 3 more days, damn gunna try and waste time by seeing if I can paint all my current chaos before then

Really moving towards the maulerfiend rather than the dragon, really wanted a flyer but theres just something about seeing a tervigon sized armoured demon/dinosaur next to your crazed bezerkers.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I have to disagree. Between the Bloodcrusher/juggernaught, Blight Drone, and Soul Grinder there is established precedent for "daemon creature plus mechanical equals daemon engine". While I don't think its the best choices I don't think its a baseless one either.

I'll cop that on the Blight Drone. Fair enough.

I mentioned the Soul Grinder already - it's a daemon welded (or bursting from) a mechanical construct. The Juggernaut isn't a daemon in armour - the armour is its skin and it looks like a living machine of brass, bone and blood. The Dinobot just looks like a big thing wearing armour, and is terrible.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
The Dinobot just looks like a big thing wearing armour, and is terrible.

I don't know what you're even looking at.

The shooty "dino" looks fully metallic. Sure, it has the shape of a beast, but I can't spot any flesh. It's exactly the same deal as the Jugger.

The krumpy "dino" looks like a robotic beast wearing some tattered skin over its pistons and then a few armour plates over that. If anything, it's a machine wearing some flesh, not the other way around as you seem to think.

Yeah, the Maulerfiend looks like a robot wearing skin, not a monster wearing armor.
Just look at those tubes in its neck. I think the main problem would be its face. It does look more organic than the rest of the body.

Prices are in. The Fiends are over 10% more expensive than the Tevigon (which I expected they would match).

You know, as I look at it, I am thinking looks a bit like the Brutes from Mass Effect 3, chaos'd up.



If you don't play ME3, they do charge on all 4's; they aren't always bipedal.

(Not saying it's a ripoff so lets not start a holy war)

Sounds kinda weird, since I loved the Dark Vengeance Chaos Marines, but I'm not really feeling this at all. The not-raptors just look goofy as all feth to me, and the dragon doesn't look as bad as I was expecting but it still made me go "Buh!"...not a fan. Warp smith is cool I guess, though he's probably Finecast so I won't be buying one.

I can't really make up my mind about the daemon engine, though. There are some design elements I really like about it, and others that I don't...like I'm not a big fan of the spikey smokestacks on its back, for example. I don't really like the head, either, though I can't really describe why, it just looks "wrong" for some reason. In any case I kinda like where they were trying to go, you definitely can't say CSM are just SM with spikes anymore, but nothing here really blows me away.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
I have to disagree. Between the Bloodcrusher/juggernaught, Blight Drone, and Soul Grinder there is established precedent for "daemon creature plus mechanical equals daemon engine". While I don't think its the best choices I don't think its a baseless one either.

I'll cop that on the Blight Drone. Fair enough.

I mentioned the Soul Grinder already - it's a daemon welded (or bursting from) a mechanical construct. The Juggernaut isn't a daemon in armour - the armour is its skin and it looks like a living machine of brass, bone and blood. The Dinobot just looks like a big thing wearing armour, and is terrible.

I know you mentioned the soul grinder, it was more just to add to when you say that its origins explain why it is that way, and I was saying we don't know these new ones origins yet.

As far as the bloodcrusher goes, I see no reason it shouldn't be classified a daemon engine when its description is: "...brass body... Encased in metal armour... pistons"... unless those pistons are just for looks they'd be doing something... engine like... while elsewhere its more explicit that they are mechanical bodies. GW's obviously changes the fluff, and if they're "encased" its not purely a metalic epidermus but armor. In fantasy at least they're built and not just naturally occuring.

I think there's an essential difference between being a 'house' for an enthralled daemon/a mechanical shell for it to inhabit or possess that we see in the blood-crusher, defiler, brass scorpion etc. (heck even the forge fiend adheres to this a bit, it's just a terribly awkward looking model) compared with the mauler fiend's more overtly bio-cybernetic look. Like I said earlier in the thread, it just doesn't fit the established chaos aesthetic, even the blight drone and soul grinder look kind of clunky and can be visually tied to existing daemon engines. With the soul grinder the un-housed daemon bit looks consistent with existing large GW daemons like the princes. If GW want to radically overhaul the CSM and daemon engine look, then by all means they can go right on ahead, but until it gets more established its's going to look a bit weird and out of place for a lot of people.

What the.... 59 euro for the helldrake, did I miss another price hike? isnt that 47 quid? Or will it be less

Jesus, I expected the helldrake would be the same price as the necron and ork and space marine flyers

I picture a lot of these chaos constructs as being like the cylons from the new BSG, with the horror element being that inside the sleek metal shells there is a ton of organic blood, guts and other stuff.

No word or images on the book and whether or not it's hardback like the 8th ed fantasy ones then?

Wow if those prices are correct I aint buying any ridiculous now and thats saying something. Jesus....

 unmercifulconker wrote:
What the.... 59 euro for the helldrake, did I miss another price hike? isnt that 47 quid? Or will it be less

Jesus, I expected the helldrake would be the same price as the necron and ork and space marine flyers

Where are the prices? I'm missing that part.

go to warseer right now sorry dont know how to copy images over.

Kindly given to us by BramGaunt, shot of angron who looks....
DAT dark apostle
DEM raptors

FAITH RESTORED

oops sorry forgot to post (from Bram again):
Dark Apostle, sorcerer, aspiring champion (new finecast): 15,50€
Warpsmith: 23€
Codex: 39€
Raptors/warp talons: 26€ (same as sanguinary guard)
Heldrake: 59€
Forgefiend/clawfiend: 52€
Mutilators: 41€ (3 finecast)

I slightly overeacted I think, I normally order from other discount stores so I guess I thought these were the prices with discounts

more pics: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?351699-Chaos-rumours-from-Faeit-212&p=6427610&viewfull=1#post6427610

Codex will be 39€ (hardcover), that's a 50% price hike folks.
And there will be more releases than the ones shown.

Minx wrote:
more pics: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?351699-Chaos-rumours-from-Faeit-212&p=6427610&viewfull=1#post6427610

These raptors look pretty slick...
Dark Apostle is nice too...

Also... from that link a new FW special character: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/476340.page
Possible Primarch?

 aka_mythos wrote:
These raptors look pretty slick...

I know right? I know I said that they looked like Lord Zed, but I take it back. They look pretty badass. Now I wish I had a Chaos Army.

More releases?

Damn though, I thought I could buy the codex and the flyer atleast. Guess I shouldve held off buying halo 4

What is that thing in the background, with a huge Gatling gun...

OOOOOHHHHH MYYYYYYY GOOOOOOOOD GOD

DAT fiend with the big ass miniguns, yep I know what I am getting now

 Sasori wrote:
What is that thing in the background, with a huge Gatling gun...

It appears to be the forgefiend (same knees) with possibly the Hades Autocannons.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Phydox wrote:
Without reading through 20+ pages, can someone recap how dragons tie in with Chaos Space Marines?

Dragon are all like RAAAAAWR!!!!! and Chaos Space Marines are all like RAAAAAWR!!!!! and then they totally headbutt each other andEXTREME!!!!!!!!!

Oh! Now I see the connection! I think if GW wanted to make the RAAAAAR!!!!! connection clearer, they should have went with ninja pirate poop flinging deamon engine powder monkeys.

I just hope they put more thought into the codex then they did the model names. The Dark Vengeance chaos stuff really wowed me and got me excited. Those space marines made me say "If these are this good I wonder what the plastic sets are gonna look like?" This stuff is a little disappointing.

I'm just gonna reserve judgement till I get the codex.

Haha the oblits look hilarious in good way mind.

Oh god. Those CC oblits are f.ugly :(

I'm also sad to see that the images all have the old power armour marines too

Yeah those new CC oblits really look awful if you ask me.. And the prices made me go O.o.. I did NOT except the dragon to be that expensive, same for the fiends... Might really just convert one out of a zombie dragon now, just have to figure out the scale differences and what the butcher cannon looks like

Also from Warseer's BramGaunt...
Sorcerer:
Chosen with fiend:
Detailed Helldrake:
Better Warp Talon Pic:
Dakka Fiend:
Closecombat oblits:


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Those close combat oblits are sad... looks like two different torsos and two different sets of arms.

Oh wow, the fiends are even larger than I thought. Now we know why they are so pricy.

The CC oblits are horrible. They are most likely finecast.

It appears that GW is now going out of their way to make at least 1 horrible looking type of model per codex, and make it finecast.

I think we now know why the Fiends are pricey... those are pretty big...

Also, I thought I had mis-seen it in the previous pics... but seriously, what's with the mechanical tongue on the fiend?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

It appears that GW is now going out of their way to make at least 1 horrible looking type of model per codex, and make it finecast.

Well the newer sculptors have to get practice somewhere... It sure beats that time they handed over the basic troop box of Chaos Space marines to the noob who openly admitted he just resculpted details over the loyalist marine kit.