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I am shocked that the Tzeentch Primaris is actually better than Wind of Chaos.

Although.... Wind of Chaos has uses in a Terminator filled world!

Reroll failed psychic tests? I hope Aspiring Sorcerers can take it.....

Now I'm dreading the concept of them selling the psychic cards in three separate packs...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:


The Obliterator rules are interesting. So they lose the plasma cannon but gain access to an assault cannon, and they can't choose the same weapon twice. Intredasting...

The psychic powers are fairly underwhelming, not gonna lie. Glad I play Khorne.

Wait, that can't be right. Oblits, in the current fluff at least, can not spawn projectile weapons. Assault cannons are projectile weapons.
Ergo, someone done goofed.

There's been at least one, if not 2 recent BL books which have Oblits. firing assault cannons and solid slug weaponry once again, so I do believe this.

I believe the plasma cannon is still an option however,

Really? I guess they changed it. Now where do they get the bullets I wonder...

IIRC the original idea was never that they formed exact versions of the weapons concerned but formed forms that were analogous in effect.

I believe they're going towards the Oblits. being infected with a virus ( at times deliberately ) rather than being a separate cult as such. At least that's how it seems in the BL books.

And as these books also make mention of Mauler-fiends and the like I'm inclined to think that the authors might well have been fairly well informed as to what's what in this book.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Mr. Balloon Hands wrote:


And Night Lords are not a jump back army. I dont know where people got that notion. Yes they have raptors and they are super bada$$. But you cant slap jumppacks on the army and be like "yay night lords" Well you could but I mean, gosh...

I think the idea that they were Jump Pack army may have originated from the old 3.5 ed dex. I'm not entirely sure, but I think Night Lords could ignore that 0-1 restriction on the raptors.
So what are Night Lords then if not a Jump Army?

Never played 3.5 dex. and re-reading what i wrote.. it sounds a tad harsh on my part. totally not my intention and i apologies. just it being morning and me being all pesamistic and what not. Very sorry duder.

P.S. when will dakka get a spell check tool??

Nevermind, misread the powers.

Oh and btw I have an idea even with these rules we ve got till now.
So firstly if some of you have read about the prophet, from soul hunter you will remember that he had some powers of vision, so you can actually have a sorc mostly as a mentalist or something like that. Telepathy is a good power to represent that. So we have our psyker.
I guess that all legions have priest like has marine figures to convert mortals so all would have a dark apostle guy, so we have one too and
As we can see from the novels of Aaron NL had many mortals in their ship willing to follow their masters. So we have cultists.
We have bikes. Better that before, maybe with lower points. We have raptors, maybe with lower points, and we have warp talons.
Here I have to add that as I recall the company commander of the soul hunter novel, a name that I don't recall but I remember he had termies as bodyguards was disfigured and warp touched. So noone says your cant have semi demonic taint to our army. I can see a nice new banner which gives fearless. I see a new flyer which can match a NL army in theme if you manage to make it look more of a flyer than a robot beast.
I can't see why we don't the chance to make a NL army.
And common I ve played with the previous codex an only NL themed army where my bikes and raptors sucked.
And I haven't let down the fluff.

Basically Tzeentch gets the rules equivalent of the Mutilators' sculpts.

Mutaliators, if they have the rampage rule, seem like they could be very good. Also depends on their base attacks.

Clearer pics from some guy's picasa:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Basically Tzeentch gets the rules equivalent of the Mutilators' sculpts.

That's a bit harsh. Ok, the disc of tzeentch is pretty lame, granted.

The demonprince of tzeentch is a bit better. Can't go wrong with rerolling saves.

Giving everyone soul blaze sounds pretty brutal, and a +1 to invuls sounds very useful.

Discipline of Tzeentch

1-2: Gift of Mutation: Blessing: Focus 1:
Friendly Character within 2" suffers a S4 AP-hit and ma roll on the "Rewards of Chaos" table

Johnny wanted to be a rock star. Then his head fell off. Don't be a Johnny.

I'm taking a warp-roll for this warp-power every warp-game with my Tzeentch Warp-Wizard.

Added to first post.

 avedominusnox wrote:
Oh and btw I have an idea even with these rules we ve got till now.
So firstly if some of you have read about the prophet, from soul hunter you will remember that he had some powers of vision, so you can actually have a sorc mostly as a mentalist or something like that. Telepathy is a good power to represent that. So we have our psyker.
I guess that all legions have priest like has marine figures to convert mortals so all would have a dark apostle guy, so we have one too and
As we can see from the novels of Aaron NL had many mortals in their ship willing to follow their masters. So we have cultists.
We have bikes. Better that before, maybe with lower points. We have raptors, maybe with lower points, and we have warp talons.
Here I have to add that as I recall the company commander of the soul hunter novel, a name that I don't recall but I remember he had termies as bodyguards was disfigured and warp touched. So noone says your cant have semi demonic taint to our army. I can see a nice new banner which gives fearless. I see a new flyer which can match a NL army in theme if you manage to make it look more of a flyer than a robot beast.
I can't see why we don't the chance to make a NL army.
And common I ve played with the previous codex an only NL themed army where my bikes and raptors sucked.
And I haven't let down the fluff.

Again, thank you. I really must of woke up on the wrong side of the bed. I do not even have the dex in hand. I can't be that guy (even though I was earlier). I guess I wanted to see some NL-ish specific marks or attributes in the updated OP and at first glance I am not totally seeing it. But we will see. FMJ

1-2: Weapon Virus: Curse, Fokus 1
Range 24". All ranged weapons in the enemy unit have the "gets hot" special rule

For the love of... imagine how long time it's going to take shooting a unit when you have to roll every model's shooting separately because his gun might explode?





The spell is brilliant! No one will EVER bother shooting!

 pretre wrote:
Clearer pics from some guy's picasa:

Spoiler:

Awesome find! Any chance of getting larger versions of these photos?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Giving everyone soul blaze sounds pretty brutal

I think you need to go back and re-read that rule. It's worth less than a storm bolter.

Make an enemy unit -1BS and -1WS AND get a +1S to shooting attacks? Yes please.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

1-2: Weapon Virus: Curse, Fokus 1
Range 24". All ranged weapons in the enemy unit have the "gets hot" special rule

For the love of... imagine how long time it's going to take shooting a unit when you have to roll every model's shooting separately because his gun might explode?

The spell is brilliant! No one will EVER bother shooting!

Well, yeah. That's actually the whole point of that power.

We haven't seen yet rules confirmation for the new daemon weapons, and dark apostle special rules.
Can't wait to see.. Oh and I wait for points cost.. I hope that if most have a LD drop they would get a drop in points cost.

Sorry for not reading all 30+ pages in case this is already said.

Any news about plague marines? Going to plastic or new sculpts? or upgrade kit?

Would be interesting to see the stats for the dragon and new mech units...

 Scottywan82 wrote:

Awesome find! Any chance of getting larger versions of these photos?

Here's the original link:

https://picasaweb.google.com/108370529345394006791/19September2012?authuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCPW8xfK5m4yn7QE&feat=directlink#5789998570425565554

evilfish wrote:
Sorry for not reading all 30+ pages in case this is already said.

Any news about plague marines? Going to plastic or new sculpts? or upgrade kit?

Would be interesting to see the stats for the dragon and new mech units...

Going to resin, it seems, but defiantly, they would have been shown if they were plastic.

evilfish wrote:
Sorry for not reading all 30+ pages in case this is already said.

Any news about plague marines? Going to plastic or new sculpts? or upgrade kit?

Would be interesting to see the stats for the dragon and new mech units...

Till now we are guessing the will stay fine cast sadly.
Sorry I cry too..

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Giving everyone soul blaze sounds pretty brutal

I think you need to go back and re-read that rule. It's worth less than a storm bolter.

It says if a "unit" suffers an unsaved wound, it starts to be affected by soul blaze, and on a 4+ it takes D3 S4 AP5 hits.
Units are squads. Sounds like it could be deadly against light infantry.

Against heavy infantry...not so much. And if you roll less than a 4 it stops working. Still, if you are lucky enough it could be a massive thorn in your opponents side.

Now, does it take effect at the end of each player turn, or each game turn?

 avedominusnox wrote:

evilfish wrote:
Sorry for not reading all 30+ pages in case this is already said.

Any news about plague marines? Going to plastic or new sculpts? or upgrade kit?

Would be interesting to see the stats for the dragon and new mech units...

Till now we are guessing the will stay fine cast sadly.
Sorry I cry too..

It's not too hard to convert 'em though.

Green stuff, decay of flesh, wires, cables and damaged armour.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

*Raises Gun to temple* can some please justify this, cause I'm going to have to sell one of my kidneys.

Hang on a sec, *puts on shining white plate mail*

Firstly, it's hardback, which no magazine is (to my knowledge, anyway), secondly, it's far better bound and constructed, so it'll stand up to more wear and tear, and thirdly, unlike most magazines, it isn't predominantly advertising, I think the only thing you could really call advertising are the model pictures, but they usually only take up five or six pages anyway.

And, not that it'll make you feel any better, but, it's a new army release, that's as good an excuse for a price rise as any.

One day unfortunately, the rest of the world will have to pay Australian prices, and yea verily, we shall come to the End of Days.

Nothing can justify GW's price hikes

Is it just me or does the dragon look amazing from a top down view?

Ye there are not and if you had been lucky to buy the metal ones,you can add forge world kit if you can afford and you have
Two squads nice and easy. If you are good with green stuff sculpting even better!

 unmercifulconker wrote:

 Dr. Delorean wrote:

*Raises Gun to temple* can some please justify this, cause I'm going to have to sell one of my kidneys.

Hang on a sec, *puts on shining white plate mail*

Firstly, it's hardback, which no magazine is (to my knowledge, anyway), secondly, it's far better bound and constructed, so it'll stand up to more wear and tear, and thirdly, unlike most magazines, it isn't predominantly advertising, I think the only thing you could really call advertising are the model pictures, but they usually only take up five or six pages anyway.

And, not that it'll make you feel any better, but, it's a new army release, that's as good an excuse for a price rise as any.

One day unfortunately, the rest of the world will have to pay Australian prices, and yea verily, we shall come to the End of Days.

Nothing can justify GW's price hikes

Is it just me or does the dragon look amazing from a top down view?

Yeah, it does look pretty from above, actually.

Nope must resist, not changing my mind from the fiend with the 2 gatling guns, I mean come on who in the right mind wants to anger a huge ass dinosaur with freaking plate armour carrying 2 huge gatling guns which looks like they can obliterate a primarch into gold dust. Who I tell you who?

 unmercifulconker wrote:



Is it just me or does the dragon look amazing from a top down view?

It's just you.