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 CT GAMER wrote:
Nope. Just don't like the asthetic of these models in the context of a WH40K chaos army

See, now that statement I can appreciate. It makes sense to me. Much better than all that 'looks like beast wars' nonsense.

So no undivided powers?
Disappoint...
Well, at least my last 'sorcerer' was made with fluff that he is a crazed transmuter, so biomancy will work, I suppose...

Undivided powers = book powers. So you are completely on the right track.

Still, disappoint...
I am so going to miss Gift of Chaos and Wind of Chaos...

Just ally some Daemons in and you're good to go!

That could work
Hmm, anyone else hate the fiends the more you look at them?

All of the special rules to me look thick, solid, and tight. Now roll on the point costs which is the big kicker.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Hmm, anyone else hate the fiends the more you look at them?

For me it's the opposite. Looks better in every picture i see; especially the alpha legion shot. I didn't notice the extra cables on the fiends gunpods or that the neck of both fiends is actually the same... The lighter flesh colours really help

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That could work
Hmm, anyone else hate the fiends the more you look at them?

Yeah, It doesn't fit in well. Mutation I can understand on living things, even the dreadnaught has a semi living component to corrupt. But these fiends.... It just doesn't fit in unless they were nurgle specific. Looking over all the other daemon engines, especially the assorted forgeworld stuff there is nothing remotely like these aside from the blight drone.

Curse my work internet and old-*@# version of IE!

I like them well enough. Favorite so far being the dual rotary cannon-fiend. Just not a fan of the heads.

Really, these are pretty close to what I conjure up in my head when I think "nightmarish daemon engine" A lot of the fluff, especially Gaunts Ghosts, goes on about how they are making conglomerations of man and animal, to me this is just the machine version. It plays on the psycholgical aspect, of making things that are supposed to terrify. Sure, at the scale we see them they might look rather childish. Imagine that life size though. Plenty scary enough, I think.

 Squigsquasher wrote:
The more I look at the Mutilators the more I like them, and that Alpha Legion army looks bitchin'.

Shame Abaddon and Kharn don't have new sculpts though.

And I LOVE the gatling cannons on the Forgefiend. The skulls on the ends of the barrels are actually a really good implementation of Moar Skullz.

They were sculpted by Jes Goodwin, IIRC. At least Kharne was. It's still a great model. He sculpted the originals of the "traitors of chaos" four model set also.

Well, now I'm going to have trouble selecting HQ's...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Well, now I'm going to have trouble selecting HQ's...

I will too, here's hoping for a decent retinue to help out a little.

 Samus_aran115 wrote:
You can't live without pants though!

Can Totaly Live without Pants!

This is News & Rumors, folks. If you want to discuss man skirts, start a man skirts thread in the OT section.

On topic: No psychic defense stuff hinted at yet?

Edited by Manchu.

Well, if I'm mod editted, I'd better say something useful instead.

I like that Hellbrutes are not crazed from the start of the game now. Couldn't quite read the rules about what crazed tokens do, but it would seem you go more nuts the more damage you take.
I'd love to run a list with three heavy flamer, butcher cannon dreads, that's anti-tank firepower you can't joke about.

Anyone know the rules for Kharn?

Everything looks better as Alpha Legion!

Though I have to agree that the ridiculous sight of a Word Bearer Elite hanging out with the Galaxy's Finest makes me worry about the care taken with the background!

If you're interested in rumors on Kharn, check out Blood of Kittens. Tastytaste has been right on a few things so far that he posted months ago.

So the Sorc is Finecost? That's disappointing.

At least the Champ is plastic.

Crazed rule, this is what I see.

Crazed: Glancing and penetrating hits given the Hellbrute a crazed marker. Roll a D3 is the model has 1+ crazed markers at the start of it's movement phase.

1)Fire frenzy: Immobilised this turn. If unengaged it must fire all of its weapons twice. If possible the target must be the unit that caused the glancing or penetrating hits in the previous turn. If not, the target must be the nearest visible enemy.

2) Rising Fury: Recovers from Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results. Has the rage special rule this turn

3) Blood Rage: Recovers from Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results. Has the fleet and rage special rule this turn. Must run if not in maximum charge range of an enemy. If this is not possible, it may fire it's weapons.

What I don't understand is why we need markers at all. Maybe it's 2+ crazed markers.... I don't know. But surely it should just say (after the first penetrating or glancing hit). Also, you now have must less chance of doing whatever you like.
I'm hoping this is an upgrade and not a fixed rule, or it looks like my dreads are out for another edition.
Admittedly, I won't shoot my troops, but instead I might have to shoot some random tank and not the rhino I want to open up.

 Alpharius wrote:
Everything looks better as Alpha Legion!

Though I have to agree that the ridiculous sight of a Word Bearer Elite hanging out with the Galaxy's Finest makes me worry about the care taken with the background!

Wait, I don't see any Custodes anywhere. Are you sure we're watching the same images?

 Brometheus wrote:
If you're interested in rumors on Kharn, check out Blood of Kittens. Tastytaste has been right on a few things so far that he posted months ago.

His d66 table is slightly different from the wd scans though. He might have his infos from an earlier version of the rules.

Wait... there's no Bolt of Change. There's no Bolt of Change! I know there's 'Doombolt'... but the name 'Bolt of Change' isn't there. I can't recall Jervis' 3rd Ed book off the top of my head, but has their ever been a Chaos Codex that didn't have Bolt of Change?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait... there's no Bolt of Change. There's no Bolt of Change! I know there's 'Doombolt'... but the name 'Bolt of Change' isn't there. I can't recall Jervis' 3rd Ed book off the top of my head, but has their ever been a Chaos Codex that didn't have Bolt of Change?

Sorry mate, I think Ward trademarked it in Chaos Demons.
I'm not sure if it actually works like that, but that seems to be the case.

At one point BoC used to be called Flames

 lunarman wrote:
Crazed rule, this is what I see.

Crazed: Glancing and penetrating hits given the Hellbrute a crazed marker. Roll a D3 is the model has 1+ crazed markers at the start of it's movement phase.

1)Fire frenzy: Immobilised this turn. If unengaged it must fire all of its weapons twice. If possible the target must be the unit that caused the glancing or penetrating hits in the previous turn. If not, the target must be the nearest visible enemy.

2) Rising Fury: Recovers from Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results. Has the rage special rule this turn

3) Blood Rage: Recovers from Crew Shaken and Crew Stunned results. Has the fleet and rage special rule this turn. Must run if not in maximum charge range of an enemy. If this is not possible, it may fire it's weapons.

What I don't understand is why we need markers at all. Maybe it's 2+ crazed markers.... I don't know. But surely it should just say (after the first penetrating or glancing hit). Also, you now have must less chance of doing whatever you like.
I'm hoping this is an upgrade and not a fixed rule, or it looks like my dreads are out for another edition.
Admittedly, I won't shoot my troops, but instead I might have to shoot some random tank and not the rhino I want to open up.

No, its +1. I think they have it like that so that it only ever has to be at least glanced/penned once (as in, in the entire game) in order to go bonkers.

So, quick rundown on what I read:

-Rewards of Chaos table actually seems fun. Sure, we'll see Abaddon become a spawn every few games, but we'll also get cool unexpected abilities that change the course of games!

-Having to accept all challenges is nasty. As long as you can throw cheap sargeants at a daemon price, you can really limit his killiness!

-Tzeentch powers are quite meh. The other tables are quite nice, and Slaanesh in Particular seems brutal.

-Icons: Slaanesh stole FNP from the plagueboys! also, giving Fear, the game's most useless trait, to nurgle marines is lame.

-Marks: Khorne is both Rage AND counterattack! This rocks so hard.

-Crazed: this is actually cool now. It's caused by glancing and penetrating hits and mostly beneficial as long as there are enemies within range.

-Warlord Table: Mostly nice, though Fear and Soul Blaze are very unimpressive. And some of the traits seem VERY likely to be reapeats (Hatred, especially)

-Daemon Weapons make you fight like a spastic wimp when they rebel but you can still atack! Nice.

-Vehicle Upgrades: Dirge casters negate nearby ovewatch! This is potentuially huge, and if it is 10 points of less may be an ato-include in most fighty lists.

-Obliterators lose the plasma cannon! Now that's sad. Though getting assault Cannons is nice since they actually have those modeled! I hope there's a (small) cost reduction due to that and them having to morph new weapons each phase, and the loss of the powerfist.

-Mutilators...meh. Unless they really have a high number of attacks or access to cheap marks, plain terminators just seem better. Though of course using them for LoS with an IC is nasty.

-Daemon Princes actually become more unique with each mark of chaos! This is long overdue. Also, access to Biomancy is pure evil.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wait... there's no Bolt of Change. There's no Bolt of Change! I know there's 'Doombolt'... but the name 'Bolt of Change' isn't there. I can't recall Jervis' 3rd Ed book off the top of my head, but has their ever been a Chaos Codex that didn't have Bolt of Change?

It was originally bolt of Tzeentch in Jervis' book. 48" range, strength 9, AP 2/3 I think.. it's been a while.. lol

All in all I'd say it's been getting slowly nerfed each edition.