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 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Australians already pay $62 for the hardbacks, and yes, it is awful.

Wait... that’s more than your average FFG 40K RPG source book. And those books are full-colour and in hardback. And have more pages if I’m not mistake.

What the feth???

 quickfuze wrote:
In the new white dwarf the Hellkite has a flamer like weapon option also for the Maw.

and WTF GW, Feel no Pain on Slaneesh? Can you say lets change a basic rule of plague marines so people will buy noise marines... I am not happy about this...Fear is useless....not happy, not happy at all

As a Slaanesh player, I'm a big fan of this change.

The D&D core rulebook is $65 (US) right now. Supplemental books are nearly all hardcover and under $30 (US).

WoD books are hardcover and under $30 (US). GW is overpricing their supplementary books.

 Amaya wrote:
The D&D core rulebook is $65 (US) right now. Supplemental books are nearly all hardcover and under $30 (US).

WoD books are hardcover and under $30 (US). GW is overpricing their supplementary books.

We should rage quit.

 Extreaminatus wrote:

 quickfuze wrote:
In the new white dwarf the Hellkite has a flamer like weapon option also for the Maw.

and WTF GW, Feel no Pain on Slaneesh? Can you say lets change a basic rule of plague marines so people will buy noise marines... I am not happy about this...Fear is useless....not happy, not happy at all

As a Slaanesh player, I'm a big fan of this change.

amen to that. There is ample descriptions in the fluff, the most awesome thing would be a 'power from pain' thing like DE have.

all space marines should have FnP anyway...

Yeah, but the whole point is there is more reason for plague marines, ya know the ones who have limbs falling off and don't FEEL it should have feel no pain, not Slaaneshi's.

God, I just priced my 3 armies, as compared to my entire Battletech collection. Just my Dark Eldar army comes to the same cost as my Entire Battletech collection. I spend way to much on GW. Now they want more. I think it is time to go to Ebay with at least one army, maybe two.

 Byte wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
The D&D core rulebook is $65 (US) right now. Supplemental books are nearly all hardcover and under $30 (US).

WoD books are hardcover and under $30 (US). GW is overpricing their supplementary books.

We should rage quit.

Not really, I just won't be buying any extra codexs. Does feel like somebody stole my sucker though. I've been really looking forward to reading the fluff and leading through the book. Not enough for $55 dollars though. They keep telling us their in the business of selling models. The rules are there to give us a reason to buy the models, but if they over price the rules how do the expect us to be enticed to buy the models. In all honesty if I have to pay $80 for the core rules plus $50 for each codex. I think those rules should be hammered out so the faqs aren't needed. They want primium price then I expect primium service.

They keep calling this a beer and pretzels game. Maybe they need a little less beer during play testing. That maybe why some of the language is so off when we read it.

 wowsmash wrote:

 Byte wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
The D&D core rulebook is $65 (US) right now. Supplemental books are nearly all hardcover and under $30 (US).

WoD books are hardcover and under $30 (US). GW is overpricing their supplementary books.

We should rage quit.

Not really, I just won't be buying any extra codexs. Does feel like somebody stole my sucker though. I've been really looking forward to reading the fluff and leading through the book. Not enough for $55 dollars though. They keep telling us their in the business of selling models. The rules are there to give us a reason to buy the models, but if they over price the rules how do the expect us to be enticed to buy the models. In all honesty if I have to pay $80 for the core rules plus $50 for each codex. I think those rules should be hammered out so the faqs aren't needed. They want primium price then I expect primium service.

They keep calling this a beer and pretzels game. Maybe they need a little less beer during play testing. That maybe why some of the language is so off when we read it.

Really don't hear "Beer and pretzels" anymore since about 4th edition. It was Checkers with terrain.

 JohnnoM wrote:
Yeah, but the whole point is there is more reason for plague marines, ya know the ones who have limbs falling off and don't FEEL it should have feel no pain, not Slaaneshi's.

Uh, is there any confirmation that Plague marines don't get fnp? I mean just because the slaanesh icon give it doesn't mean they don't have it to begin with... fnp or some equivalent feels like it would be standard.

Please don't advocate illegal activity here on Dakka. - MDS. These price hikes are getting ridiculous.. nah, they just are ridiculous.

 JohnnoM wrote:
Yeah, but the whole point is there is more reason for plague marines, ya know the ones who have limbs falling off and don't FEEL it should have feel no pain, not Slaaneshi's.

In Fulgrim one of the guys who became the 1st Noise Mariens had his face ripped off, all the way down to the bone.

The guy didn't fall to the ground screaming. No. He made a noise that was described as the noise someone makes when they feel "pleasure". The Noise Marien then told the Iron Hand who did it "Thank you", and then killed the Iron-hand well he was standing in horror at what just happened.

Slaanesh is described as the Dark Prince of Pleasure and pain. Getting FnP isn't that much of a stretch.

So long as they allow the actual Plague Marines to retain their FnP I don't really have a problem with slaanesh granting it with the icon, it does make sense for them.

Any word about possible new special characters? I'm really hoping with the focus turning to the DA that Cypher will make a re-appearance

 Byte wrote:
We should rage quit.

Notice how he didn’t suggest that? Also notice how attempting to equate “disliking a price” with “irrational outburst/rage quit” could be seen as somewhat inflammatory.

 CrashCanuck wrote:
So long as they allow the actual Plague Marines to retain their FnP I don't really have a problem with slaanesh granting it with the icon, it does make sense for them.

Any word about possible new special characters? I'm really hoping with the focus turning to the DA that Cypher will make a re-appearance

Its just another codex shift. The old dex was two lash princes, 9 obliterators, and as many plague marines as you can fill up for troops. So naturally, Lash is gone, plague marines are no longer the bees knees and Oblits are being split into two different units.

After reading through around 16 pages, I conclude that the new chaos stuff looks awesome; I'm happy for you guys, but as always, dakka can't find anything to be happy about. And they wonder why they don't let out any rumours....

 Ledabot wrote:
After reading through around 16 pages, I conclude that the new chaos stuff looks awesome; I'm happy for you guys, but as always, dakka can't find anything to be happy about. And they wonder why they don't let out any rumours....

I like to think Warseer gets the rumours, and Dakka Sorts them out.

If terminators and characters can't get a natural FNP then I hope plague marines lose it.

 Gargantuan wrote:
If terminators and characters can't get a natural FNP then I hope plague marines lose it.

And if that's the case I should hope they take a points decrease in addition.

I suspect that Plague Marines and Typhus will still have FNP.

As well as Necrosius from Siege of Vraks.

As 24+ points just for a T5. 1 wound, I3 model? Really? Really?

 Jayden63 wrote:
Its just another codex shift. The old dex was two lash princes, 9 obliterators, and as many plague marines as you can fill up for troops. So naturally, Lash is gone, plague marines are no longer the bees knees and Oblits are being split into two different units.

It’s not often we get to watch the pendulum swing in slow motion. I think the last time this happened was with the Marine Codex.

My plans for an EC army look to be coming around, except it looks like model support will consist of many, many, many conversions.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

 Plokoone wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

Though I have to agree that the ridiculous sight of a Word Bearer Elite hanging out with the Galaxy's Finest makes me worry about the care taken with the background!

1. Are you quite certain that Dark Apostles are intrinsically tied to Word Bearers still?
2. Chaos Space Marines are all Word Bearers, at least a little bit. There simply would not be Chaos Space Marines at all without them.

Dark Apostles are Chaos Chaplains and the Word Bearers are the only traitor leagion that still uses them.

Yup, was actually just re-reading the 3.5 'dex yesterday, and it's pretty black and white about it.

I was reading a discussion about this somewhere else.

This kind of change hurts no one and benefits everyone.

Sure, the fluff might get changed a bit. Army composition wise, if someone wants to make an Alpha Legion army and put Dark Apostles in it, they now can and is purely up to them. if they want to make an Alpha Legion army without Dark Spostles in it, they still absolutely can. If you want to make a Word Bearers army with or without them, you absolutely can.

While HBMC is right in that it's all about selling the model to as many players as possible, it also creates a lot more freedom in army creation. Thinking outside of the Legions (I know it's hard, but try), it allows you to mix and match things to fit your own legion. If you want a devout renegade chapter with a lot of 'chaos chaplains' but without the daemons that are associated with Word Bearers, the choice is there.

If you're a Word Bearers player and think they should stick with Word Bearers only, then do it. But this lets other people construct their army how they want.

I doubt Plague Marines are going to lose FNP just because Slaaneshi Marines get it.

uhh, you get cultists, dark apostles, sonic blasters on the tanks, daemon allies, probably have icons that can deep strike in the daemons...

Word Bearers people should not complain! You are lucky to get anything don't jinx it!

I'm really hoping that there are legion rules as well as the special rules seen. There just needs to be 'more' to this army. So far it's looking worryingly like the last codex.

Think about the things that define other codices, skies of blood, assault marines are troops, all power weapons, 4 HQ choices, all termie armies.... We need major build altering options, and cool special rules that define your whole army, not just one or two units.

It worries me when 'Army Special Rules' has only one rule affecting the whole army and that's challenges....

 Jayden63 wrote:

 CrashCanuck wrote:
So long as they allow the actual Plague Marines to retain their FnP I don't really have a problem with slaanesh granting it with the icon, it does make sense for them.

Any word about possible new special characters? I'm really hoping with the focus turning to the DA that Cypher will make a re-appearance

Its just another codex shift. The old dex was two lash princes, 9 obliterators, and as many plague marines as you can fill up for troops. So naturally, Lash is gone, plague marines are no longer the bees knees and Oblits are being split into two different units.

It sucks for themed armies though such as my Nurgle army because now the icon grants fear which is apparently pointless in this edition and the Plague Marines are now 24 pts because they have poisoned which is useless; since when are you going to assault with plague marines in the first place? Also fnp is 5+ instead of 4+ :(

MetalOxide wrote:

 Jayden63 wrote:

 CrashCanuck wrote:
So long as they allow the actual Plague Marines to retain their FnP I don't really have a problem with slaanesh granting it with the icon, it does make sense for them.

Any word about possible new special characters? I'm really hoping with the focus turning to the DA that Cypher will make a re-appearance

Its just another codex shift. The old dex was two lash princes, 9 obliterators, and as many plague marines as you can fill up for troops. So naturally, Lash is gone, plague marines are no longer the bees knees and Oblits are being split into two different units.

It sucks for themed armies though such as my Nurgle army because now the icon grants fear which is apparently pointless in this edition and the Plague Marines are now 24 pts because they have poisoned which is useless; since when are you going to assault with plague marines in the first place? Also fnp is 5+ instead of 4+ :(

Their 24 points?

Where does it say that?

Though poisoned is a nice bonus for Plague Marines.

Well it seems that Nurgle just got big kick to the balls... and feels the pain.

Still wondering if Abaddon can make chosen troops and if chosen has option to take terminator armour?

 -Loki- wrote:
This kind of change hurts no one and benefits everyone.

Sure, the fluff might get changed a bit. Army composition wise, if someone wants to make an Alpha Legion army and put Dark Apostles in it, they now can and is purely up to them. if they want to make an Alpha Legion army without Dark Spostles in it, they still absolutely can. If you want to make a Word Bearers army with or without them, you absolutely can.

While HBMC is right in that it's all about selling the model to as many players as possible, it also creates a lot more freedom in army creation. Thinking outside of the Legions (I know it's hard, but try), it allows you to mix and match things to fit your own legion. If you want a devout renegade chapter with a lot of 'chaos chaplains' but without the daemons that are associated with Word Bearers, the choice is there.

If you're a Word Bearers player and think they should stick with Word Bearers only, then do it. But this lets other people construct their army how they want.

I don't really have a problem with it. I think Dark Apostles are a cool concept and think that they'd fit with many other Legions, not just Word Bearers. I just think Word Bearers should get more of them/get better ones.

Well, as long as the fiends have decent rules, I'll make my own versions of them...
Otherwise it just won't be worth the effort
Just so people don't think I'm a WAAC player... If they had great models and bad rules I'd get them and use them,