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**CthuluIsSpy**

Chad Warden wrote:
Why would Slaanesh want "Feel no pain"?
They should have "Feel lots of pain"

Because they are desensitized to pain, and even if they did feel it they would enjoy it?
Might have something to do with the copious amounts of cocain laced with PCP that they take every 20 seconds.

**Bloodhorror**

Mark of Slaanesh:

When a model with the Mark of Slaanesh suffers a wound, it may not be used again until after the shooting players next turn.

This is due to the Slaaneshi model "Rubbing one out" in the middle of the battle and all the other models in that unit watching him.

**pretre**

SilverMK2 wrote:
pretre wrote:
You mean you have to roll on a warlord table just like you've been doing all of 6th?

I've never rolled on it since I've never played 6th

Really? That's just weird. Up to you though.

**Meade**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Chad Warden wrote:
Why would Slaanesh want "Feel no pain"?
They should have "Feel lots of pain"

Because they are desensitized to pain, and even if they did feel it they would enjoy it?
Might have something to do with the copious amounts of cocain laced with PCP that they take every 20 seconds.

That's why I say they should get a feel no pain, but if you pass it they get crazier in some way. like get an extra attack or roll on the boon table or some such...

**Red Corsair**

Bloodhorror wrote:
Mark of Slaanesh:

When a model with the Mark of Slaanesh suffers a wound, it may not be used again until after the shooting players next turn.

This is due to the Slaaneshi model "Rubbing one out" in the middle of the battle and all the other models in that unit watching him.

I think thats a sig right there.

**Bloodhorror**

Great... Every time that unit is shot at by Bolter fire, and they pass a FNP...

BOOM! Daemon princes everywhere...

I Do like the Helbrutes Crazed rule. Its ALOT better now than it used to be. I can see mine getting 2 butcher cannons now

**Red Corsair**

@Bromethius

Hey I told you I want pics of your army already

**Rivet**

Red Corsair wrote:
Bloodhorror wrote:
Mark of Slaanesh:

When a model with the Mark of Slaanesh suffers a wound, it may not be used again until after the shooting players next turn.

This is due to the Slaaneshi model "Rubbing one out" in the middle of the battle and all the other models in that unit watching him.

I think thats a sig right there.

I was kind of thinking the same thing, but could not bring myself to do it.

**Gravity**

When looking in the real magazine I like the new models much more. Quality does so much. They also have other Finecast models in there, but if Im not misstaken theyv been released already (Abaddon, Lucious etc.). The battlereport in the magazine is between Chaos and White Scars and I dont want to spoil anything but I think the quality of the battlereport is much much better than before.

**Red Corsair**

Well I may not be happy with ll the models but I am getting very excited to use my Khorne Cult army. I mean I didn't paint all those red meanies for nothing.

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Gravity wrote:
When looking in the real magazine I like the new models much more. Quality does so much. They also have other Finecast models in there, but if Im not misstaken theyv been released already (Abaddon, Lucious etc.). The battlereport in the magazine is between Chaos and White Scars and I dont want to spoil anything but I think the quality of the battlereport is much much better than before.

So the new format for bat reps isn't:

TURNS 1-3:

Chaos gets first turn and moves up field capturing the relic while deep fisting the forward white scars. The white scars roll poorly for reserves and hunker down.

lol

remember when they actually did an amazing job on bat reps, it was the first thing I flipped to and then chapter approved and Index Astartes.

**Gravity**

Nono, its much more context in it. Íts better written and with more and better pictures. I generally feel that there is much more discussion going on in the texts. also there is a aftermat section after the battrep in which they discuss thoughts about the battle.

**Red Corsair**

Gravity wrote:
Nono, its much more context in it. Íts better written and with more and better pictures.

I might start purchasing them again. What do they cost now? It was 5 when I stopped......

**Praxiss**

Regarding converting the Fiends....This could be an ideal opportunity for people to use their units that are normally reserved for Apoc games.

Judging by the pics i have seen the Fiends dont look too much smaller than my scratch-buit Brass Scorpion - i plan on proxying.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Bloodhorror wrote:
Mark of Slaanesh:

When a model with the Mark of Slaanesh suffers a wound, it may not be used again until after the shooting players next turn.

This is due to the Slaaneshi model "Rubbing one out" in the middle of the battle and all the other models in that unit watching him.

Wait, do you mean the firing unit can't shoot until its next turn? Its worded a bit strangely.

**unmercifulconker**

Just realised the train station outside my GW is shut until late October so will not be down for many games so it would be pointless to buy the codex straight away. To think I was going to get the codex and no dragon as well...

**anything with Necrons**

has anyone seen this Picture, those Guys look much better then those others

http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/GW_Chaos-Space-Marines-Raptoren.jpg

**Red Corsair**

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Bloodhorror wrote:
Mark of Slaanesh:

When a model with the Mark of Slaanesh suffers a wound, it may not be used again until after the shooting players next turn.

This is due to the Slaaneshi model "Rubbing one out" in the middle of the battle and all the other models in that unit watching him.

Wait, do you mean the firing unit can't shoot until its next turn? Its worded a bit strangely.

Well he just "fired" and now he's "clearing" a breach "jam"

**CthuluIsSpy**

Red Corsair wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Bloodhorror wrote:
Mark of Slaanesh:

When a model with the Mark of Slaanesh suffers a wound, it may not be used again until after the shooting players next turn.

This is due to the Slaaneshi model "Rubbing one out" in the middle of the battle and all the other models in that unit watching him.

Wait, do you mean the firing unit can't shoot until its next turn? Its worded a bit strangely.

Well he just "fired" and now he's "clearing" a breach "jam"

He must have "fired" it a bit roughly to have hurt himself

You have to hold the firearm gently. To rough and it might go off prematurely.

**Bloodhorror**

Same Kit. Different Role.

Having seen the Battle Report the result surprisngly is...

Spoiler:

**draekus**

anything with Necrons wrote:
has anyone seen this Picture, those Guys look much better then those others

http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/GW_Chaos-Space-Marines-Raptoren.jpg

Yeah, those Raptor heads are going to be on high demand.

**avedominusnox**

draekus wrote:
anything with Necrons wrote:
has anyone seen this Picture, those Guys look much better then those others

http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/GW_Chaos-Space-Marines-Raptoren.jpg

Yeah, those Raptor heads are going to be on high demand.

If you use the heads for warp talons these beauties will be left to make custom chosen!
Oh yes gimme 2 boxes!

**Bloodhorror**

I Really like the Warptalons to be honest...

**Harriticus**

The new standard Raptors in that pic look much better then Warp Talons. The power sword especially is sexy.

**Jayden63**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Jayden63 wrote:
Its just another codex shift. The old dex was two lash princes, 9 obliterators, and as many plague marines as you can fill up for troops. So naturally, Lash is gone, plague marines are no longer the bees knees and Oblits are being split into two different units.

It’s not often we get to watch the pendulum swing in slow motion. I think the last time this happened was with the Marine Codex.

One of the things that I like about Phil Kelly codexs is that overall power is increased, but its done somewhat stealthfully. There usually isn't one character (cough... cough... Mephyston/Draigo/Stormlord) or unit that is uber powered by itself, its only when stuff is spammed or certain combinations show up on the table that its true power becomes apparent.

So I expect a lot of the same here. Maybe plague marines seem like they took a hit, but maybe when combined with something else (that we don't know of yet) their true power will become apparent.

That or maybe Noise Marines will become this codexs next big thing.

**Rivet**

Since they look like the same kit, I am wondering if they have two sets of legs, or just two sets of feet and you have to add the feet to the legs. This would allow those to build their Raptors with the clawed feet instead of the ice spikes if they so chose. It looks like the kit will come with 5 torsos, 5 legs, 10+heads, 5 sets of shoulders pads, 10+ sets of arms, 5 jump packs (with talon wings being attachments), and 10+ sets of feet. Personally, I think I want to build the raptors using the Talon heads and feet. That leaves me several pairs of lightning claws and heads to make more Slaanesh Chosen out of.

**Praxiss**

From what i understand if you put a Dark Apostle with Plague marines they shoudl get their FNP back, as well as Fear, and Poisoned CC weapons - plus whatever else the Apostle gives a unit.

i'm guessing you can also challenge with the Apostle as well - so potentially buff him up through the course of the game via the Boon table.

Eep.

**draekus**

Praxiss wrote:
From what i understand if you put a Dark Apostle with Plague marines they shoudl get their FNP back, as well as Fear, and Poisoned CC weapons - plus whatever else the Apostle gives a unit.

i'm guessing you can also challenge with the Apostle as well - so potentially buff him up through the course of the game via the Boon table.

Eep.

Wait... I must have missed something....Plague marines no longer have FNP?

**Earthbeard**

Bloodhorror wrote:
Mark of Slaanesh:

When a model with the Mark of Slaanesh suffers a wound, it may not be used again until after the shooting players next turn.

This is due to the Slaaneshi model "Rubbing one out" in the middle of the battle and all the other models in that unit watching him.

That made me LOL, childish I know.

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draekus wrote:
Praxiss wrote:
From what i understand if you put a Dark Apostle with Plague marines they shoudl get their FNP back, as well as Fear, and Poisoned CC weapons - plus whatever else the Apostle gives a unit.

i'm guessing you can also challenge with the Apostle as well - so potentially buff him up through the course of the game via the Boon table.

Eep.

Wait... I must have missed something....Plague marines no longer have FNP?

I thought it was just the termi/lord etc that didn;t get it? please don;t tell me the cult unit lost it?

**Gravity**

It cost me 70 swedish, about 7 euros.

**Jayden63**

jmurph wrote:

This! People complaining about FNP need to realize that was a 4th change. One that made PMs the only viable cult choice. Now, FNP is reduced in effectiveness and switched again to a lower T unit. But if you really want the 5+, just do counts as. PMs do need to come down in price, though, as I 3 T5 Poison isn't that great. That being said, the bar set by Grey Knights and GHs seems to indicate CSM should be much cheaper all around. Cult troops shouldn't break 20 points with all the bells and whistles. After all, a GK comes standard with a power weapon, stormbolter, and fearless with squad psyker powers to be S5, have a Force weapon, etc. Charging 20 points for a fearless MEQ with a stat bump here and a special rule there still seems overpriced. Additionally, it also seems like CSM remain sub par Grey Hunters. While not having Acute Senses doesn't really matter (but it is still a perk that should be costed appropriately) the loss of ATSKNF makes CSM markedly worse to the tune of probably 2-3 points per model. Even with re-roll LD, it still comes nowhere close to autorally and should be a 2 point break.

I'm just going to call it and say there is no chance that the basic CSM is "better" than a grey hunter or that a cult unit is going to be "better" than a GK. GW will not let another IG incident occure (where a non-SM army becomes top dog). SM are their poster children. Period, full stop. A loyalist SM army of some kind will remain at the top. I do believe that CSM will be highly competitive, but anyone who thinks it will be on GK level of power is going to be a little dissapointed.