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 SickSix wrote:
Is this stuff for sale today? Or on pre-order?

Pre-order still. The 1st will be the release.

djones520 wrote:

 SickSix wrote:
Is this stuff for sale today? Or on pre-order?

Pre-order still. The 1st will be the release.

No the 6th is the release.

Maybe I'm missing something but are Thousand Sons ridiculously expensive to buy now? Looks like you need to buy a box of regular CSM AND the upgrade pack? So you're looking at £36 at least unless I'm working it out wrong. CSM was one of the only releases I had any interest in but if Thousand Sons are going to cost that much, forget it.

 Neith wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something but are Thousand Sons ridiculously expensive to buy now? Looks like you need to buy a box of regular CSM AND the upgrade pack? So you're looking at £36 at least unless I'm working it out wrong. CSM was one of the only releases I had any interest in but if Thousand Sons are going to cost that much, forget it.

Agreed.

Though converting is an option, the Thousand Son's pricing tag is ridiculous, especially if you want a pure Legion army.

Ok so they finecasted Havoks. The one unit I was so looking forward them moving across to plastic get a finecast remake. And the one unit I was fine with them moving to finecast only, the raptors got redone. Sigh.

Well the raptors are actually the best thing to be released and they are a remake. This is a bit of a mixed bag, not the greatest GW release of recent.

Well at least everything else is looking ok enough anyway. Even the zoids arn't as bad as i had feared.

 ceorron wrote:
Ok so they finecasted Havoks. The one unit I was so looking forward them moving across to plastic get a finecast remake. And the one unit I was fine with them moving to finecast only, the raptors got redone. Sigh.

Well the raptors are actually the best thing to be released and they are a remake. This is a bit of a mixed bag, not the greatest GW release of recent.

Well at least everything else is looking ok enough anyway. Even the zoids arn't as bad as i had feared.

Havocs aren't too hard to convert, with some modification, the weapons in the Devastator box can resemble those in the Havoc boxset.

Wait, havocs are finecast? That's just silly.
I mean, longfangs and devs are plastic, why can't havocs be plastic?
Not cool, GW, not cool.
You could convert them, but that either means getting a dev box and making the marines chaosy, or buying a dev box and a CSM box.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait, havocs are finecast? That's just silly.
I mean, longfangs and devs are plastic, why can't havocs be plastic?
Not cool, GW, not cool.

Cause extra holes and badly molded sections of the model just add the feeling of Nurgle to the force.


In all seriousness, there wasn't, would it be that hard to sculpt a new Las-Cannon, Missile Launcher and Auto-Cannon for the Havocs? It's three heavy weapons, plus the others are on the accessory sprue, it wouldn't take that long! It's only nineresin pieces.

But no, Finecast is the way to go......

I bet just the weapons are finecast in the box, I cant see the torsos .being FC

I can only pray, for the sake of 1k Sons players, that there is going to be a second wave with Plastic Cultists released.

I mean it's getting ridiculous to build some units that used to be one kit, that now require two (if not 3).

 Deathshead420 wrote:
I bet just the weapons are finecast in the box, I cant see the torsos .being FC

And some slightly modified backpacks.

 BrookM wrote:
If mentioned before, please don't hang me, but I'm surprised that they are using BL cover art for this codex..

It is one of my favourite pieces of none Nurgle chaos marine art, but it drives me a little over the edge, to see it recycled as codex cover art. I know it's a petty thing, but it really grinds my gears.

 SickSix wrote:
I can only pray, for the sake of 1k Sons players, that there is going to be a second wave with Plastic Cultists released.

I mean it's getting ridiculous to build some units that used to be one kit, that now require two (if not 3).

Beats playing noise marines when even when we had a boxed kit that didn't really build a squad.

I was actually pretty excited about the Fiend model until i looked at the 360 piture and saw the rear end of it.

The back and and rear legs just look way out of proportion. i realise that this could be expected of daemonic stuf (over sized claws, muscles etc) - but it has kind of ruined the model for me.


Regarding 1k sons packs - they've only just been taken off the website. I'm guessingyou will still be able to get packs of them on EBay or various discount sites.

 rodgers37 wrote:
I really hope no ne buys that battle force. What a rubbish box set, take out 8 Zerkers and I think 5 standerd CSM and add three bikes... And put the price up. Nice.

It's actually 5 euros cheaper than the old one. In terms of content though, old one was better, though bit monotonous.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait, havocs are finecast? That's just silly.
I mean, longfangs and devs are plastic, why can't havocs be plastic?
Not cool, GW, not cool.
You could convert them, but that either means getting a dev box and making the marines chaosy, or buying a dev box and a CSM box.

Not only those but Khârn and Lucius and everyone was so hoping for new sculpts. Think this comes across as a bit lazy. Not sure with this output there will be a second wave. Infact really doubt it now. If they do think it will be remakes of vehicles maybe??

I'd imagine a Vechicle Upgrade frame again, for Soul Fire Gargoyles and Destroyer Blades and gak like that.

 ceorron wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait, havocs are finecast? That's just silly.
I mean, longfangs and devs are plastic, why can't havocs be plastic?
Not cool, GW, not cool.
You could convert them, but that either means getting a dev box and making the marines chaosy, or buying a dev box and a CSM box.

Not only those but Khârn and Lucius and everyone was so hoping for new sculpts. Think this comes across as a bit lazy. Not sure with this output there will be a second wave. Infact really doubt it now. If they do think it will be remakes of vehicles maybe??

Their plan is to release models for all units mentioned in the codex first. They only release a limited number of new kits, so obviously the old kits won't get a remake until some time later. Hardly surprising or disappointing at all.

As has been stated before - they are probably gettign the new units released first to avoid the 3rd party Tyrannofex issue all over again.

Once the new stuff is out there they con look at the existign stuff at their leisure since there's no chance of another company making the model first/

its a shame i already have a huge FW Nurgle army already, otherwise i would sell off all of my CSM and buy the FW preheresy stuff. Infinitely more awesome.

also just saw the collectors edition codex... sold out already.. $83 is such a waste for a codex.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Extreaminatus wrote:
So happy I have a metric butt-ton of Noise Marines now.

What's so good about getting your range halved on the move and not being able to assault?

If your planning to assault, don't take sonic weapons (cept doom siren and blastmaster) Problem solved.

Why would you want to assault anyways, you'd do some damage beforehand with overwatch, D3 hits with doom siren, and an extra A2 from the blastmaster.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
I can tell so many people here don't play Fantasy; the Codex price is the normal price for GW hardbacks.

Orcs and Goblins Army Book is $54.50 Cdn at 112 pages. The new Chaos Codex is $60 Cdn and is 104 pages. That's a 10% increase plus a page count reduction.

Just thought of something very horrible that GW could do. What if in the new codex they didn't have anything on the Hellbrute and Cultists.

This would be a very trollish move for them I think. What do you guys think people would do?

Could you just use the stats from the DV boxset?

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Extreaminatus wrote:
So happy I have a metric butt-ton of Noise Marines now.

What's so good about getting your range halved on the move and not being able to assault?

If your planning to assault, don't take sonic weapons (cept doom siren and blastmaster) Problem solved.

Why would you want to assault anyways, you'd do some damage beforehand with overwatch, D3 hits with doom siren, and an extra A2 from the blastmaster.

Didn't one of the rumours/leaks say that Sonic Weapon deny defensive fire? - i read that as meaning if you fired with sonic weapons that squad couldn't overwatch - thus making charging a very positive option.

 Chaos Santa wrote:
Just thought of something very horrible that GW could do. What if in the new codex they didn't have anything on the Hellbrute and Cultists.

This would be a very trollish move for them I think. What do you guys think people would do?

Could you just use the stats from the DV boxset?

They do. In the white dwarf, one of the pictures has a rule for Crazed. It says Helbrute in their.

whoadirty wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
I can tell so many people here don't play Fantasy; the Codex price is the normal price for GW hardbacks.

Orcs and Goblins Army Book is $54.50 Cdn at 112 pages. The new Chaos Codex is $60 Cdn and is 104 pages. That's a 10% increase plus a page count reduction.

You are talking about the very first hardback book that was 2yrs ago, not a fair comparison. The Empire book, the most recent, was the same price as the CSM one.

 Chaos Santa wrote:
Just thought of something very horrible that GW could do. What if in the new codex they didn't have anything on the Hellbrute and Cultists.

This would be a very trollish move for them I think. What do you guys think people would do?

Could you just use the stats from the DV boxset?

And why would they do that? That would be stupid and they are far from it.

Anyway, both units are in the book.

 Praxiss wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Extreaminatus wrote:
So happy I have a metric butt-ton of Noise Marines now.

What's so good about getting your range halved on the move and not being able to assault?

If your planning to assault, don't take sonic weapons (cept doom siren and blastmaster) Problem solved.

Why would you want to assault anyways, you'd do some damage beforehand with overwatch, D3 hits with doom siren, and an extra A2 from the blastmaster.

Didn't one of the rumours/leaks say that Sonic Weapon deny defensive fire? - i read that as meaning if you fired with sonic weapons that squad couldn't overwatch - thus making charging a very positive option.

Thats what Dirge Casters do now

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

whoadirty wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
I can tell so many people here don't play Fantasy; the Codex price is the normal price for GW hardbacks.

Orcs and Goblins Army Book is $54.50 Cdn at 112 pages. The new Chaos Codex is $60 Cdn and is 104 pages. That's a 10% increase plus a page count reduction.

You are talking about the very first hardback book that was 2yrs ago, not a fair comparison. The Empire book, the most recent, was the same price as the CSM one.

Maybe where you are, but not here. Here, the Empire book is $45.50, $4.50 less than the Chaos book.

Well the Canadian site is showing that the LE codex is sold out already, can't say I'm surprised.

Now I feel stupid. I just got back into the game on a whim, and bought the current CSM codex. That's some money down the crapper. However, the way the new gen of CSM is shaping up, I think I can get over that.