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Chaos dred is gone ?! didn't notice it before ...new model coming or chaos no longer use dreds ?

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Chaos dred is gone ?! dident notic it before ...new model coming or chaos no longer use dreds ?

Dreads have been replaced with the hellbrute, apparently.
Which is basically just a crazy ass dread, except not a knock off of the imperial variant.

makes more sense if its a dred but whatever

I just wanna know what slaanesh gets in all this?!

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
makes more sense if its a dred but whatever

I just wanna know what slaanesh gets in all this?!

Edited for content MT11

No more Havoc launchers apparently

 Slinky wrote:

Denilsta wrote:
sorry but your wrong, it was always Khorne v Slaanesh (slaves to darkness) and Nurgle v Tzeentch (lost and the damned)....I owned both

Denilsta is correct - I too had both books and the rivalries were KvS and NvT.

I still have them and its Slaanesh hates Khorne and vice versa - same with Tzeentch and Nurgle - thats why they were devided into the two books

ROC Slaves to Darkness covers Khorne and Slaanesh and

ROC The Lost and the Damned does Tzeentch and Nurgle.

I for one am happier the more the old hatreds are represented.

I love the new Demon Engines - two ground pounders look very War Machine and the flyer looks really menacing - cool
I like the Dark Apostle but not the Warsmith - too busy for me

 Sunoccard wrote:
No more Havoc launchers apparently

...

yay...

Well, what I'm I going to do with my METAL BAWKSES?

I think this Chaos release will become a byword for disappointing and ill conceived releases.

I was very excited after seeing DV and placed a preorder straight away, not because I needed the models but they were so nice I didn't want to miss out. I will not be buying anything from this first release. The fiends are awful, they do look like dinobots, with the forgefiend being the ugly ginger child of the release. New raptors are ok but imo worse than the old ones [glad I bought them in metal when I did]. Mutilators are laughable, they look like a child made them out of playdo, didn't think it was possible to look any worse than the shooty Obliterators but they managed it. Dragon is ok as a mini on its own but for me doesn't fit the aesthetic at all. Dark apostle and Warpsmith are both too busy.

I really want to like these, and keep returning to the pictures in an attempt to convince myself they're worth the money, but they're not.

Forge World here I come, two Decimators and a Hell Blade please.

 tyrannosaurus wrote:

Forge World here I come, two Decimators and a Hell Blade please.

It's a conspiracy I tell ya!

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Chaos dred is gone ?! didn't notice it before ...new model coming or chaos no longer use dreds ?

Been replacing with Helbrute, which is fine.

However right now the only Helbrutes available are via Dark Vengeance and even that is just a Multi-Melta. Which is not fine. Fortunately I imagine the Codex options are a bit more broad then that....

 Harriticus wrote:

 Claimh_Solais wrote:
Chaos dred is gone ?! didn't notice it before ...new model coming or chaos no longer use dreds ?

Been replacing with Helbrute, which is fine.

However right now the only Helbrutes available are via Dark Vengeance and even that is just a Multi-Melta. Which is not fine. Fortunately I imagine the Codex options are a bit more broad then that....

We hope

On the French Warhammer forums a guy did a nice photowork.



I think its a good way to do it.

Yes, it is.

One of they guys at my GW store yesterday said that if he did make a csm army (he is seriously considering it, but moneez) he'd go alpha legion, manage to find 2 more heldrake heads and make a hydradrake

It might just be me, but it feels like we will probably get a 2nd wave of chaos latter.

I wouldn't be surprised is after the silliness of companies like Chapter House jumping up to fill voids in a Miniature ranges, Games workshop wants to make sure their are models available for all the units from the start. Releases to replaceing existing miniatures, and add alternatives to things only available threw the starter set can be held off until a 2nd wave.

Just speculation anyway.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
On the French Warhammer forums a guy did a nice photowork.



I think its a good way to do it.

Better but the wings don't look right. The tail looks better, but at the price, it should look right straight from he box.

Lockark wrote:
It might just be me, but it feels like we will probably get a 2nd wave of chaos latter.

I wouldn't be surprised is after the silliness of companies like Chapter House jumping up to fill voids in a Miniature ranges, Games workshop wants to make sure their are models available for all the units from the start. Releases to replaceing existing miniatures, and add alternatives to things only available threw the starter set can be held off until a 2nd wave.

Just speculation anyway.

Maybe companies like chapterhouse, can offer a better representation, or an upgrade kit.

Lockark wrote:
It might just be me, but it feels like we will probably get a 2nd wave of chaos latter.

I wouldn't be surprised is after the silliness of companies like Chapter House jumping up to fill voids in a Miniature ranges, Games workshop wants to make sure their are models available for all the units from the start. Releases to replaceing existing miniatures, and add alternatives to things only available threw the starter set can be held off until a 2nd wave.

Just speculation anyway.

I expect the second wave of chaos to go up for pre-order on Oct 6, the day the current stuff comes out. (much like DE did). This way they fill out their options, and have all their bases covered. They can then later go back and release plastic havocs/cult troops or what have you.

 loki old fart wrote:

Lockark wrote:
It might just be me, but it feels like we will probably get a 2nd wave of chaos latter.

I wouldn't be surprised is after the silliness of companies like Chapter House jumping up to fill voids in a Miniature ranges, Games workshop wants to make sure their are models available for all the units from the start. Releases to replaceing existing miniatures, and add alternatives to things only available threw the starter set can be held off until a 2nd wave.

Just speculation anyway.

Maybe companies like chapterhouse, can offer a better representation, or an upgrade kit.

Uh... What? What does that have ANYTHING to do with what I said?

GW got burned from Small Companies releasing their knock offs soon after codex releases, and BEFORE GW could release their own modles.

More or less it's funny that it appears that GW has in fact taken notice of these practices.

 Starfarer wrote:
We also know that Daemon princes are in because they're listed on the new product releases on the first page of this thread, and in WD.

Seriously, guys, if you're going to complain about the new releases, at least bother to read the information and rumors of the releases in the thread.

I read that part, but is it an HQ or Heavy Support choice. Is it its own entry or does a Lord become a DP if you upgrade it sufficiently enough? These are my questions and it greatly opens up what other options an army can take depending on where the FOC they show up.

I rather liked that in 3.5 not all DPs were carbon copies of each other with only a single mark and wings or no wings to differentiate them.

 Starfarer wrote:
We also know that Daemon princes are in because they're listed on the new product releases on the first page of this thread, and in WD.

Seriously, guys, if you're going to complain about the new releases, at least bother to read the information and rumors of the releases in the thread.

Daemon Princes are in and to be honest they're even better. Now they're WS9 BS5 S6 T5 W4 I8 A5, granted this means they're more expensive but the extra 2 points of WS, the extra initiative, and the additional attack are totally worth it in my eyes. Now MEQ hits them on a 5+, even the vaunted Grey Knights! (unless of course they're paladins.) That's really powerful, especially considering challenges.
I have a feeling that FMC Daemon Princes of Tzeentch are gonna be stupidly powerful even if they end up costing around 230 points. Reroll saves of 1, plus you get access to psychic powers. Although the "Gift of Mutation" power is kinda weird for it, can you cast a Gift of Mutation on a Daemon Prince and turn it into a spawn? hahaha
Yeah, as long as Daemon Princes of Tzeentch are Psychic Mastery 2 or higher, they will be fantastic, especially since they'll have access to Biomancy.

Re Hellbrute replacing dreads - I hope & expect that my opponents accept me using my chaos FW dreads rather than having to throw them away.

Re the big deamon engines - I found a spare Jug head today - wonder if it's big enough??

 bubber wrote:
Re Hellbrute replacing dreads - I hope & expect that my opponents accept me using my chaos FW dreads rather than having to throw them away.

Re the big deamon engines - I found a spare Jug head today - wonder if it's big enough??

This won't even be a question. A dreadnaught is just a hellbrute, and the old kit is just a different style. Just like when Eldar switched from lasgun to shuriken catapult on guardians.

They where just weird looking catapults.

 Jayden63 wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
We also know that Daemon princes are in because they're listed on the new product releases on the first page of this thread, and in WD.

Seriously, guys, if you're going to complain about the new releases, at least bother to read the information and rumors of the releases in the thread.

I read that part, but is it an HQ or Heavy Support choice. Is it its own entry or does a Lord become a DP if you upgrade it sufficiently enough? These are my questions and it greatly opens up what other options an army can take depending on where the FOC they show up.

I rather liked that in 3.5 not all DPs were carbon copies of each other with only a single mark and wings or no wings to differentiate them.

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They are HQ, but don't count towards making cult units troops if marked, like Lords do. Other than that they will be similar in cost to the Codex Daemons version.


@Vladsimpaler - Yeah they seem pretty nasty now. Definitely happy with the improvements, and honestly glad we won't see 2 prince lists for cult armies due to them not changing the FOC when marked. It would be nice if they were above the dangers above spawndom, but the Chaos Gods are fickle.

I plan on doing the following with my helldrake



Just leave the head off and do some wire wrapping. Done.

 GiraffeX wrote:
It used to be Khorne opposed to Tzeentch and Slaanesh opposed to Nurgle back in the Realm of Chaos days.

I don't like the fact that they changed it round, just doesn't feel right.

Well, you couldn't be more wrong. You are 510% wrong on this.

BTW, does anyone know if Havocs can change a autocannon for blastmaster again?

Are noise marines required to buy the sonic blaster?

Do noise marines lose the bolt pistol and close combat weapon?

I still have 28 blastmasters, but only 40 noise marines. I will need to convert some more NM's with SB to use all my blastmasters.

I will be okay with the stupid salvo nerfing if they can still shoot the bolt pistol before assault.

 Starfarer wrote:
They are HQ, but don't count towards making cult units troops if marked, like Lords do. Other than that they will be similar in cost to the Codex Daemons.

Are you certain of this? I mean, have you read this with your own eyes? It would be incredibly stupid if a lowly lord unlocks troops, but a beastly exalted prince can not.

Slave wrote:
Are you certain of this? I mean, have you read this with your own eyes? It would be incredibly stupid if a lowly lord unlocks troops, but a beastly exalted prince can not.

There has to be a reason to take Lords over DPs.

Slave wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:
They are HQ, but don't count towards making cult units troops if marked, like Lords do. Other than that they will be similar in cost to the Codex Daemons.

Are you certain of this? I mean, have you read this with your own eyes? It would be incredibly stupid if a lowly lord unlocks troops, but a beastly exalted prince can not.

Yeah, that greatly depletes an cult armies ability to be diverse. If you have to take a lord to get troop cult marines and then use the last HQ option to take a DP. Doesn't leave any room for sorcerers, warpsmiths, or anything else for that matter.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Slave wrote:
Are you certain of this? I mean, have you read this with your own eyes? It would be incredibly stupid if a lowly lord unlocks troops, but a beastly exalted prince can not.

There has to be a reason to take Lords over DPs.

Lots of different reasons. Smaller, better at avoiding shots, fits in a transport, terminator armor, guns, demon weapon, etc, etc...

This is a serious mistake if it is.

I plan on doing the following with my Heldrake:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Slave wrote:
Are you certain of this? I mean, have you read this with your own eyes? It would be incredibly stupid if a lowly lord unlocks troops, but a beastly exalted prince can not.

There has to be a reason to take Lords over DPs.

There's always cost. If a typical DP is 200+pts, and a Lord is 140-160, that's usually enough right there.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 His Master's Voice wrote:

Slave wrote:
Are you certain of this? I mean, have you read this with your own eyes? It would be incredibly stupid if a lowly lord unlocks troops, but a beastly exalted prince can not.

There has to be a reason to take Lords over DPs.

There's always cost. If a typical DP is 200+pts, and a Lord is 140-160, that's usually enough right there.

Is it confirmed if you can take DPs as part of the FOC?
I would think that you can't, since any character can now potentially become one.