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 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Necrons especially get brutally wrecked by AP4 Berzerkers.

Oh yeah, my poor warriors

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Necrons especially get brutally wrecked by AP4 Berzerkers.

Oh yeah, my poor warriors

Don't worry. You still get RPs.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:


TS: Has the point cost been confirmed? That's the second time I've had to ask. In rumors before the book got leaked, Khorne Berzerkers were 19ppm, now they're 15ppm. So I'm still holding out some hope.

No one has said otherwise on TS price, with their price being the same is fairly consistent.

Mohoc wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

Necrons especially get brutally wrecked by AP4 Berzerkers.

Oh yeah, my poor warriors

Don't worry. You still get RPs.

Not if the entire unit is wiped out, and even 3 or 4 Zerkers making it into combat means that warriors are toast. (4 attacks each at WS5 S5, ignoring armor)

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
They're LD9 as long as the Aspiring Champion is alive since they now come with him standard. And 13 point Marines are fantastic. It's not even so much that, it's just the potential with marks and upgrades. Oh hey there, 16 pt T5 3+ save infantry! Sure, I'd love you to grab that objective for me. Oh hey there, 15 point Boltpistol/CCW Marines with 4 attacks on the charge!

I'm not seeing the problem either. It's a shame that I won't have this book in time for my first 6th Ed game this weekend. But, as compensation I will be - for the first and last time - taking a Lash Prince/Plague Marine/Oblit army from the current 'Chaos' Codex as a sort of 'farewell' to that wretched book.

Bah, don't sink to that level, man! Run some cult units with allied daemons and be satisfied that you played a real Chaos army with that codex. Not an easy feat to accomplish.

Plague marines/termies/lord with MoN, and Epi and a few units of plaguebearers. Slow to start and expensive, but everything has MoN or is a follower, and once that tally starts going up...

so what about the demons? I am assuming because of the allies they're not in there

Yep. There aren't any "summoned daemons" in the summary pages, so it's safe to assume that they are gone.

 Crimson wrote:

 AgeOfEgos wrote:

Ahh yeah I'm with you there--but after the first round--say lose 3 Zerks--you're looking at 7 less attacks. I honestly think that's worth the 2 pts + rerolling charge distance (which is a pretty big deal in 6th from my games).

But don't they need the Icon for rerolling the charge?

Yeah, I figured that in their cost.

Night Lords can't take Night Vision.

Alpha Legion don't get Infiltrate.

Iron Warriors can't Bolster Defenses.

Word Bearers can't take Daemon Princes of Chaos undivided.

Your Legions are dead. You have no choice but to join Abaddon's Black Legion. That bitterness you feel will aid you in the Long War. Let's craft a narrative!

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Night Lords can't take Night Vision.

Alpha Legion don't get Infiltrate.

Iron Warriors can't Bolster Defenses.

Word Bearers can't take Daemon Princes of Chaos undivided.

Your Legions are dead. You have no choice but to join Abaddon's Black Legion. That bitterness you feel will aid you in the Long War. Let's craft a narrative!

To be brutally honest I never understood how an undivided Daemon Prince would work in the first place. Do all of the gods conspire to make some random champion a Prince? It makes sense if you have a Daemon Prince of a particular god but that's about it.

That being said, Undivided to me was always a wishy-washy option so I can't say that I'm entirely sad about the whole affair. I do agree about the Alpha Legion and Iron Warriors however, though the Iron Warriors have their background moving towards a more Dark Mechanicus ideology anyway.

I may be asking a question that is obvious or unknown, but can princes get psychic powers again?

They can take mastery levels yes. Take a look at the pics

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Night Lords can't take Night Vision.

Alpha Legion don't get Infiltrate.

Iron Warriors can't Bolster Defenses.

Word Bearers can't take Daemon Princes of Chaos undivided.

Your Legions are dead. You have no choice but to join Abaddon's Black Legion. That bitterness you feel will aid you in the Long War. Let's craft a narrative!

To be brutally honest I never understood how an undivided Daemon Prince would work in the first place. Do all of the gods conspire to make some random champion a Prince?

Actually yes, that's what happens. Just take Lorgar or Perturabo, for instance. Or M'kar.

Also in other news, I heard that instead of adding Erebus, the design studio decided to use that space to expand the background sections for the existing special characters. This extra space will be filled entirely with accounts of all the times they beat up M'kar.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Night Lords can't take Night Vision.

Alpha Legion don't get Infiltrate.

Iron Warriors can't Bolster Defenses.

Word Bearers can't take Daemon Princes of Chaos undivided.

Your Legions are dead. You have no choice but to join Abaddon's Black Legion. That bitterness you feel will aid you in the Long War. Let's craft a narrative!

To be brutally honest I never understood how an undivided Daemon Prince would work in the first place. Do all of the gods conspire to make some random champion a Prince?

Actually yes, that's what happens. Just take Lorgar or Perturabo, for instance. Or M'kar.

Intredasting...I just had to look up M'Kar, had no idea who that even was.


I can't say that I have ever been a fan of Undivided, though I definitely can sympathize with you guys not getting stuff that the Big Four get.

1k Sons. Yeah, the Sorc is cheaper, but the Rubrics are still a buttload. The Asp has zero protection from PotW, so they'll be killing themselves off a bit more frequently this edition. Mark of Tzeentch and ML1 means they'll be limited to Tzeentch table only. Whereas right now I can pay 10pts and still have a selection of the BRB powers. They can't even use Breath and Boon you just spent 60 points on a random buffbot with a 2" range. So you essentially have 2 useful spells for Asps, what a huge upgrade, I'm glad I saved those 10 points.

Oh, and then there's the more expensive, squishier DP of Tzeentch. I guess my plan for allied Chaos Demons is back on the table, at least until they nerf that dex with across the board 5++ saves no matter the god.

The sky isn't falling, it's just a bland shade of gray. Could be worse, it could be Ward with pure cheese and terrible fluff retcons.

Word Bearers can't take Daemon Princes of Chaos undivided.

You realize you can right, you just don't take the upgrade to Daemon of (God here).

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Word Bearers can't take Daemon Princes of Chaos undivided.

You realize you can right, you just don't take the upgrade to Daemon of (God here).

Too bad it says the DP must be upgraded to a Daemon of ... and only lists the 4 gods.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
Night Lords can't take Night Vision.

Alpha Legion don't get Infiltrate.

Iron Warriors can't Bolster Defenses.

Word Bearers can't take Daemon Princes of Chaos undivided.

Your Legions are dead. You have no choice but to join Abaddon's Black Legion. That bitterness you feel will aid you in the Long War. Let's craft a narrative!

Raven Guard can't take assault marines as troops.

Salamanders no longer have their extra adamantine mantles, spare flamers/meltas

Crimson fists have sternguard as troops and Imperial Fists don't?

Okay yeah your legions got hosed. So did the more basic marines.

You want a fluffy legion list, either go to FW which HAS alpha legion lists or get creative and build a list that you can call your own and just work around issues you don't like.

Word Bearers - pretty sure you can get an undivided daemon prince from the daemons allies

Alpha legion doesn't ALWAYS infiltrate they usually work with cultists etc, and they CAN infiltrate with the warlord traits (I know it's not everything but it's something )

No Iron Warriors can't bolster but you take a Warpsmith you can Tear down defenses.

Your Legions are dead, they have devolved into warbands SOME carrying the old legion ways. Enjoy what you have, it's more than others.

I honestly thought they gave Iron Warriors some love from what I've seen. Daemon Engines/Warpsmith are fluffy/fitting, new Oblit assault unit---and even done in their colors for the spread.

Between cultists and ig allies a strong alpha legion themed list is possible.

Iron warriors can have their basilisk back with allies, a waprsmith, and lots of cheap csm.

Night lords now have 2 types of jump infantry they can put in an army.

World bearers can have cultists, a dark apostle, and tons of allied deamons that are far superior to 5th ed sld.

The book doesn't look like another codex grey knights, but that's good news. If you look at how the codex creap slowed to a near stop for whfb in 8th ed the game balance between armies is now in excellent condition.

And if you're really set on the 3.5 Iron Warriors, you can ally in a Basilisk battery for three times the gun. I'm looking forward to taking some of this cool new stuff and expanding my Iron Warriors. I guess it's about time they got some footsloggers, mutation in their ranks, and daemon engines.

With all the marks, wargear, troop types and weapons options Chaos is just fine.. . not sure where all the complaining comes from?
It’s the most versatile power armor force there is period.
I’m sitting on close to 3000 points worth of unbuilt power armor including a bitz box that would put most to shame. I’m really thinking about getting some Instant mold, plague bearers, and a brick of GS and doing one hell of a Plague marine army. From my sig n all you can tell I’ve been off the G.W. train from a bit. But this codex, the return of the wargear list, and a few other cool things have me Stoked to play 40K again…

Infiltrating, night vision, bunkers….

I’m cool, Rhino, filled with T5 monsters, Nuglings, 4 special weapon Havoks … the whole things gonna be gangster sauce…

One thing I’m missing are scythes… where can I get a lot of those? any after market stuff out there?

 carabine wrote:
Raven Guard can't take assault marines as troops.

Salamanders no longer have their extra adamantine mantles, spare flamers/meltas

Crimson fists have sternguard as troops and Imperial Fists don't?

Okay yeah your legions got hosed. So did the more basic marines.

You want a fluffy legion list, either go to FW which HAS alpha legion lists or get creative and build a list that you can call your own and just work around issues you don't like.

Word Bearers - pretty sure you can get an undivided daemon prince from the daemons allies

Alpha legion doesn't ALWAYS infiltrate they usually work with cultists etc, and they CAN infiltrate with the warlord traits (I know it's not everything but it's something )

No Iron Warriors can't bolster but you take a Warpsmith you can Tear down defenses.

Your Legions are dead, they have devolved into warbands SOME carrying the old legion ways. Enjoy what you have, it's more than others.

1. Codex Chapter
2. Codex Chapter (some organizational divergence above squad level)
3. Codex Chapter

Nice argument there homie. 10,000 year old Chaos Legions should DEFINITELY be held to the same standard of bland-ness as the faction that purportedly all follow the same organizational structure from the same book.

 tripsix wrote:
Are cult units only going to be available from the starter set? I've not seen any info regarding a release of them or the hellbrute.

You could always use Imperial Guard, Necromunda Gangers, Marauders or indeed Forge World Traitor Guard as your cultists.

 ph34r wrote:

Nice argument there homie. 10,000 year old Chaos Legions should DEFINITELY be held to the same standard of bland-ness as the faction that purportedly all follow the same organizational structure from the same book.

Frankly? Boo-hoo. I don't know why Chaos players expect any sympathy from the rest of us. You're acting like you're the only people whose armies have gotten invalidated or decimated. Quit the game or suck it up. Complaining until you're blue at the face will accomplish nothing.

Hey, now! No need to use the term 'chaos player's', we aren't all like that...

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Hey, now! No need to use the term 'chaos player's', we aren't all like that...

Well if your not you have nothing to take offence to, his talking to the people keeps complaining about stuff that never really mattered. Is it really that important to just build a certain part of a certain army? Just be happy that your codex got updated! I have not seen any legion specific stuff in the 4th edition so why should there be now? What you has 4th you can build now, only some slight difference.

Unfortunately Marthike that codex was a pile of crap.

The Legion-specific stuff came from the same Index Astartes articles that allowed for Salamander, Black Templar and other armies.

The Black Templars ended up with their own book, the Salamanders and others get a suitable representation in the form of a SC in the codex to help build a themed army but Chaos got utterly hosed in the last codex. Hopefully this one has more potential (the fact that marks are not tied to the icon and -lost- once the guy who had it dies is a huge leap forward!).

carabine wrote:
Raven Guard can't take assault marines as troops.

Salamanders no longer have their extra adamantine mantles, spare flamers/meltas

Crimson fists have sternguard as troops and Imperial Fists don't?

Okay yeah your legions got hosed. So did the more basic marines.

You want a fluffy legion list, either go to FW which HAS alpha legion lists or get creative and build a list that you can call your own and just work around issues you don't like.

Word Bearers - pretty sure you can get an undivided daemon prince from the daemons allies

Alpha legion doesn't ALWAYS infiltrate they usually work with cultists etc, and they CAN infiltrate with the warlord traits (I know it's not everything but it's something )

No Iron Warriors can't bolster but you take a Warpsmith you can Tear down defenses.

Your Legions are dead, they have devolved into warbands SOME carrying the old legion ways. Enjoy what you have, it's more than others.

Also don't forget Eldar craftworlds: They even had a Craftworld codex that dissappeared in the warp. And I suppose Orks, DE, Tyranids... have different armies that can't be represented with their current codex. Richer the fluff, harder to represent it on the board.