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Sorry but I think you will find the clincher for this discussion is the present Chaos Demons codex:

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"Most surivivors have become sworn enemies of the Dark Prince and yet a few of them have formed isolated cabals that still behave as their ancestors did, perversely following the way of excess."

job done

Also the Craftworld Kher-YS was lost due to memebers of the Craftworld being lured to Chaos - p26:

"But a few were lured from the sanctuary of their craftworld, their spirits fired with whispers of decadent adventure."

also " Not actively denying red skinned Orks or Space Marines with 15 legs doesn't mean they exist. " very poor example and twisting of the facts

Which have never been part of the GW universe - you are the one arguing for a change in the fluff which has no basis?

Makes as much sense as Jewish Nazis.

I do apologise, as the source slips my mind, but if anyone else could say where it came from, would be appreciated.

Didn't a Dark Eldar Archon once suggest that they could dedicate themselves to Tzeentch to save their souls from 'She Who Thirsts'?


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I seem to remember he was killed on the spot for suggesting such a thing, could be wrong though, but I'm getting the nasty feeling this was from the Death of Emperor fanfiction story.

Warptide wrote:
Makes as much sense as Jewish Nazis.

Given that the triumph of Chaos necessarily entails the utter destruction of the physical universe, Chaos Eldar make no less inherent sense than Chaos-worshippers of any other material species. There is indeed a certain amount of sense (and this is 40k, so one only ever needs a bit of sense) to Eldar propriating Slaanesh by offering him (or her) the souls of others, or pledging themselves to another warp god to escape the Prince of Excess' claim on their souls. Frankly the metaphysics of the 40k universe are sufficiently ill-defined that such things are certainly not inconceivable.

I seem to recall "Chaos Eldar" of some description surfacing in some old Black Library stuff which pre-dated the finalisation of the Dark Eldar's fluff. BJ Bayley's novel Eye of Terror might have been the culprit, but it was many years ago that I read it, so I wouldn't claim so under oath. As things are, GW have no impulse to develop the idea of "Chaos Eldar", since they have none to sell, so we shouldn't be surprised that, like Genestealer cults, abhumans and minor xenos factions, they've never been much explored.

I think that likely all the races of Wh40k can be corrupted by Chaos (with the exception of the Tyranids that are controlled by the Hive Mind or in absence of it, they are "controlled" simply by their survival instinct)
-A Tau, even if atheist, can start to worship Khorne to became more powerful in combat in order to better exterminate the enemies of the Greater Good.
-An Ork can worship Khorne for obvious reasons (and there were official GW models of Ork Freebooters Stormboys with Khorne Banners and marks on their skin).
-A Necron Lord/Overlord whose mind is damaged may confuse the Dark Gods for C'tan like the Nightbringer or the Deciever and decide to follow them.
So why an Eldar (or Dark Eldar) cannot serve Chaos in exchange for the protection of his/her soul?
Additionaly the Chaos Eldar existed in the 1st edition and if we consider this information too old to be considered, then even the Squats should not exist.
Even if Lexicanum doesen't about Chaos Eldar, there is a Wikipedia article that talk about the species of Warhammer 40000 and in the Eldar section it talk about the Chaos Eldar!
And se this image: http://membres.multimania.fr/bewulf/Divers/Chaos%20Eldar.jpg



PS: I'm not English so excuse me if I have made some error.

...No, I don't think this is plausible. About as plausible as Chaos-worshipping Tau (for the uninitiated, Tau have no Warp presence and thus cannot be influenced by the Chaos Gods in any way, which removes the big promise of Chaos-worship (immortality as a Daemon)).

I dont see any reason why there cannot be chaos eldar. Given their heightened psychic abilities they would make excellent servants of tzeentch. And their tendencies towards excess and extreme physical acts would make them incredible champions of slaanesh. Look at how effective they are on their disciplined path. Now imagine that with the blessings of slaanesh and them cutting loose and letting every inhibition go. There is no reason slaanesh would instantly eat their souls if they are devoted servants, and a slaaneshi eldar warband would be a truly horrifying and effective force on the battlefield. On the other hand, their natural psychic abilities would make them insanely power sorcerers with the blessings of tzeentch. Think of what eldrad would be able to accomplish with the lord of change's blessing. The gods would be stupid not to allow these people to serve them.

Solitaire and Arhra.

 illuknisaa wrote:
Solitaire and Arhra.

The solitare is not a chaos worshipper. He plays She Who Thirsts in the harlequins' plays but does not worship slaanesh. It is said the solitaire is damned and his soul belongs to slaanesh, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't actively worship it...

Also, Ahra did not become a chaos eldar, he just fell from the path of the warrior and became obsessed with violence, much more so than Exarches. I believe it is hinted that he could be Drazhar now, ie the Dark Eldar character...

 AnomanderRake wrote:
...No, I don't think this is plausible. About as plausible as Chaos-worshipping Tau (for the uninitiated, Tau have no Warp presence and thus cannot be influenced by the Chaos Gods in any way, which removes the big promise of Chaos-worship (immortality as a Daemon)).

Very plausible according to the present Chaos Demons codex regarding the Eldar:

p7

"Most surivivors have become sworn enemies of the Dark Prince and yet a few of them have formed isolated cabals that still behave as their ancestors did, perversely following the way of excess."



Tau - are "Blunt" and so have virtually no presence - they are not blanks.

They have some presence and so can be corrupted - its just much less likely - they can be possessed and /or receive gifts and then eventually become a Daemon Prince - also if a Deamon physically manifests - again they would be affected as normal - so Nurgles Rot etc works fine.

I'm going to speculate here and say the cost of falling to excess, for an Eldar, would be that Slaanesh owns your soul, and no soul stone exists powerful enough to save you at the time you die. So logically you could be dedicated to Slaanesh, and she would wait to consume you until you were finished her work in the mortal realm.

On the other hand, the Dark Eldar have blunted themselves and live in the webway and STILL have their souls slowly leeched away by Slaanesh. So they don't have to die to be consumed. Perhaps it's just a matter of dedication: you choose to worship any of the four, and your soul is protected in life but damned upon death. But I would think most Eldar are too proud to bend a knee and give up their lives to venerating a god.

So I guess I'd say... good question. It's a hole in the fluff with sketchy support either way.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 AnomanderRake wrote:
...No, I don't think this is plausible. About as plausible as Chaos-worshipping Tau (for the uninitiated, Tau have no Warp presence and thus cannot be influenced by the Chaos Gods in any way, which removes the big promise of Chaos-worship (immortality as a Daemon)).

Very plausible according to the present Chaos Demons codex regarding the Eldar:

p7

"Most surivivors have become sworn enemies of the Dark Prince and yet a few of them have formed isolated cabals that still behave as their ancestors did, perversely following the way of excess."



Tau - are "Blunt" and so have virtually no presence - they are not blanks.

They have some presence and so can be corrupted - its just much less likely - they can be possessed and /or receive gifts and then eventually become a Daemon Prince - also if a Deamon physically manifests - again they would be affected as normal - so Nurgles Rot etc works fine.

1.) Eldar: Yes, there are a few Eldar who follow the old ways. Doesn't make them Chaos Eldar. Doesn't make them recruits for a Chaos Eldar army. See Dark Eldar Codex for more info.
2.) Tau are not blanks, that's right. Only source for a Daemon trying to corrupt a (exhausted and unusually emotional) Tau Fire Warrior is the BL novel "Fire Warrior". The Daemon fails miserably even with this "one in a million" candidate. That's why we haven't seen a corrupted Tau in official sources yet (though any teen can stick greenstuff tentacles and spikes to a Fire Warrior miniature).
3.) Generally: If there is a minimum chance that a single person of a group might be corruptable, doesn't mean that there can be a whole army of them.

Personally I think that the Chaos Codex is pretty clear that there are still a few who seek the path to Slaanesh and as the Eldar Path is there to help prevent this its pretty clear the temptation to fall remains a significant part of the eldar make up?

Dark Eldar are indeed different but even then there are still those that treat with Daemons.....interestingly to me the recent Path novels confirm that Eldar can move between being Eldar and Dark Eldar - which has large implictions on how they protect their souls during this process.

Tau - In Fire Warrior it was clear that the main protongaist was exceptional in many ways - and that a number of the other Tau fell victim to direct physical manifestions fo their powers. There is no source that I am aware of that states that Tau are immune to Chaos or its temptations -simply that they are "blunt". As they become more active so its likely they will begin to have those who fall to Chaos. Some even contend that Farsight is the beginning of this process with his "special" blade.........

 Brometheus wrote:


^ Demon World guardian.

Now I am pretty certain the inquisition does not allow Eldar to be in there ranks, people did notice that big silver "I" on that mans forhead right? That or the "I" hanging from his neck, the liber on his hip, hour glass similar to coteaz dangling, my bet is that man is an Ordo Xenos Inquistor complete with confiscated Harlequin Jacket and kiss on his arm

Which god would be the best for chaos eldar, and which codex?

See what the new Chaos Space Marines codex is like as may be able to work something out using it.

Otherwise likely can use the Eldar / Dark Eldar Codex and just rename stuff

go wise for eldar, farseers-tzeentch, aspect warriors- khorne and a the eldar as a whole would be (obviouslly) slaanesh.

AnomanderRake: Tau have a warp signature, altough very little. they aren't blank. So they can be corrupted by the Dark Gods, even if it's extremely difficult.

former aspect lord of the striking scorpions fell to coruption and chaos. Phonex lord arha. eldar codex.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Personally I think that the Chaos Codex is pretty clear that there are still a few who seek the path to Slaanesh and as the Eldar Path is there to help prevent this its pretty clear the temptation to fall remains a significant part of the eldar make up?

Dark Eldar are indeed different but even then there are still those that treat with Daemons.....interestingly to me the recent Path novels confirm that Eldar can move between being Eldar and Dark Eldar - which has large implictions on how they protect their souls during this process.

Tau - In Fire Warrior it was clear that the main protongaist was exceptional in many ways - and that a number of the other Tau fell victim to direct physical manifestions fo their powers. There is no source that I am aware of that states that Tau are immune to Chaos or its temptations -simply that they are "blunt". As they become more active so its likely they will begin to have those who fall to Chaos. Some even contend that Farsight is the beginning of this process with his "special" blade.........

1.) If Eldar behave as their ancesors did, this is not "pretty clear" worshipping Chaos. Grey Knights defend themselves against Chaos corruption, that doesn't make Chaos Grey Knights likely.
2.) In "Fire Warrior", no Tau was corrupted, doesn't prevent them to be killed by a bullet of a CSM though. And the controversial book Xenology hints at Tau being immune to Chaos thanks to ethereals. Rumours say that this will become mainstream with the next Tau Codex (Space Marines being battlebrothers to Tau, because Tau immunity is essential to win over Chaos).

JohnnoM wrote:Which god would be the best for chaos eldar, and which codex?

I would use the Chaos Grey Knight or Female Space Marine Codex. Also have a look at the parts of the Israeli army under Taliban rule

apothecaryixii wrote:former aspect lord of the striking scorpions fell to coruption and chaos. Phonex lord arha. eldar codex.

Former aspect lord of striking scorpions returned to Dark Eldar uncorrupted. Dark Eldar Codex. Sorry

apothecaryixii wrote:
former aspect lord of the striking scorpions fell to coruption and chaos. Phonex lord arha. eldar codex.

As discussed, this can be pretty much summed up that he is now the Dark Eldar Drazhar. The Craftworld Eldar still consider the path of Dark Eldar to be "corrupt" so it can be easy to mix up the two.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
Personally I think that the Chaos Codex is pretty clear that there are still a few who seek the path to Slaanesh and as the Eldar Path is there to help prevent this its pretty clear the temptation to fall remains a significant part of the eldar make up?

Dark Eldar are indeed different but even then there are still those that treat with Daemons.....interestingly to me the recent Path novels confirm that Eldar can move between being Eldar and Dark Eldar - which has large implictions on how they protect their souls during this process.

Tau - In Fire Warrior it was clear that the main protongaist was exceptional in many ways - and that a number of the other Tau fell victim to direct physical manifestions fo their powers. There is no source that I am aware of that states that Tau are immune to Chaos or its temptations -simply that they are "blunt". As they become more active so its likely they will begin to have those who fall to Chaos. Some even contend that Farsight is the beginning of this process with his "special" blade.........

1.) If Eldar behave as their ancesors did, this is not "pretty clear" worshipping Chaos. Grey Knights defend themselves against Chaos corruption, that doesn't make Chaos Grey Knights likely.
2.) In "Fire Warrior", no Tau was corrupted, doesn't prevent them to be killed by a bullet of a CSM though. And the controversial book Xenology hints at Tau being immune to Chaos thanks to ethereals. Rumours say that this will become mainstream with the next Tau Codex (Space Marines being battlebrothers to Tau, because Tau immunity is essential to win over Chaos).

Grey Knights annology Apples and oranges??

The Eldar are actively following a path of deparavity and excess in exaclty the same manner as those that caused the Fall - unless you are saying that Grey Knights are doing the same - which is nonsense?

Again read the quote:

"and yet a few of them have formed isolated cabals that still behave as their ancestors did, perversely following the way of excess" Does that sound like Grey Knights - nope - worshippers of Slaanesh - yep

Tau have a very minor warp presence as noted above hence blunt not blank - which page of Xenology talks about Chaos immunity - I had a look at my copy and can;t see it? Page reference please.

The (IMO erronious) battle brother ally rule is more likely due to the honourable way that Fire Warriors conduct warfare which Astartes can find amirable for an Xenos

 Mr Morden wrote:
"and yet a few of them have formed isolated cabals that still behave as their ancestors did, perversely following the way of excess" Does that sound like Grey Knights - nope - worshippers of Slaanesh - yep

So you are saying that all Eldar ancestors are Chaos Worshippers of Slaanesh? Interesting

 Mr Morden wrote:
Tau have a very minor warp presence as noted above hence blunt not blank - which page of Xenology talks about Chaos immunity - I had a look at my copy and can;t see it? Page reference please.

It is hidden in one of the papers, think in the Q'orl section. One talks about a race (Eldar) contacting the Q'Orl, finally stealing a Q'Orl queen to create a race "immune to Chaos". Then the inquisitor finds the face organ of the Tau ethereals similar to the Q'Orl organ. So it is part of the wild Tau theory of that book.

 Mr Morden wrote:
The (IMO erronious) battle brother ally rule is more likely due to the honourable way that Fire Warriors conduct warfare which Astartes can find amirable for an Xenos

We will see in about half a year, when the Tau Codex is released. Until then it is a mystery why SM trust Tau more than Grey Knights and Sororitas.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
"and yet a few of them have formed isolated cabals that still behave as their ancestors did, perversely following the way of excess" Does that sound like Grey Knights - nope - worshippers of Slaanesh - yep

So you are saying that all Eldar ancestors are Chaos Worshippers of Slaanesh? Interesting

They didn't know it at the time, but for all intents and purposes, yes (kind of). Their souls were damned, they were no longer reincarnated after death, they were consumed by Slaanesh. Their thoughts, experiences, and emotions were directly feeding a growing god, whether they knew it or not. So they didn't exactly worship at the altar of Slaanesh, instead they helped build the altar for her in the first place. It's more a semantic difference than anything, it was worship without intent.

That said, a modern Eldar emulating their fallen ancestors isn't automatically worshipping Slaanesh either, but their soul is marked by her the same as any other Eldar, and their actions and emotions are feeding Slaanesh just as though they were worshippers. As I mentioned above with the soul stones and the Dark Eldar, Slaanesh would own their soul and even before death she would be clawing to get it.

 Brometheus wrote:


^ Demon World guardian.

What is this picture from

Chaos can possess anyone, the eldar's soul is gone but the body remains as a vessel for a demon. This is different from becoming a chaos worshipper. The midget Goto once wrote about eldar worshipping chaos, but ultimately their soul gets sucked out and eaten no matter who they worship, its only a matter of time.

As a psychic people, belief would become reality. So eldar that worship chaos would mutate themselves and those around them and become an all too tempting bridge to the warp.

Also, without the protection of the webway, soulstones or the harlequin, an eldar would get their soul sucked pretty quickly by Slaneesh.

 Lynata wrote:

Frozen Ocean wrote:But GW's method of retconning something is just to ignore it, so of course they've not contradicted it!

To be fair, GW's method of retconning is to write something different.

To be fairer, that's exactly what you do when you retcon. People have a weird view of retconning with GW material.

For example, when people say they retconned the Squats by having the Tyranids destroy them. That isn't a retcon, since nothing existing was changed. They still existed exactly as before, but got destroyed. That's story progression.

What Mat Ward did to the Necrons, that is a retcon. He changed their backstory, he changed their character, and he did this by rewriting it. This is a retcon.

GW not acknowledging old fluff is not a retcon, it's just them ignoring old fluff. Unless they outright state that Chaos Eldar no longer exist on Crone worlds or something happened to them, then it hasn't been retconned. It's just been left out.

As i asked before (and didn't really get an answer), which codex+which god would be the best for chaos eldar?

There is no "correct answer" as the fluff is kinda against it (creativity ftw... Mala maybe?) and the above suggestions are pretty decent.

Tezzech or Khrone are really your only choices.

Difficult to say what fits best something that noone has seen in fluff for 20 years (like IG jetbikes and Harlequin landraiders).
And we are discussing, if there is at least one Chaos Eldar (most deny it), so talking about a whole army is even sillier.
Maybe Grey Knight Codex: Because if people hate you for fluff, hating you for the Codex doesn't matter