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I'm interested in campaigns against Armageddon and Todth. Would it be possible to send a few Ordo Scharzenkommandos to plant Chaos Cultists on the world, and then say "oh look! That world is corrupted by Chaos!" and invade? Anything else is fine.

It strikes me that any imperial world can have war delcared on it for whatever reason any high-er up in the inquisition decides... Just that wars in the universe of 40k tend to be very short lived with a few exceptions of resurgency.

No because it would make for even worse reading that your other stuff. And beside try to keep within the bondrais set by the establised fluff. It is never wise to involve very well know places or figures in such home brewn stuff

It takes a lot for an Inquisitor to declare a full-scale invasion due to the presence of Chaos on a world. Usually in cases where heretical cults develop on a planet, the Inquisition will send an agent of the appropriate Ordo to eliminate the problem. In more sensitive situations, such as a corrupted planetary governor, they'll give the Officio Assassinorum a call.

Full out war on Armageddon from Chaos would take something big for the Inquisition to intervene in such a dramatic manner. Technically, the planet's still in a state of war with the Orks from Ghazghkul's third war. The last time the Inquisition initiated full-scale war on Armageddon, it took Angron, the Cruor Praetoria, the World Eaters, and a metric fethton of Khornate Daemons turning the system into a bloodbath. A little cult uprising, or whispers of said uprising, are hardly enough for the Inquisition to initiate anything more than a little cleanup crew or intervention from an Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus.

It's a matter of priority. The Inquisition is capable of handling a couple of heretics without help from a Chapter of Space Marines or an Imperial Guard battalion.

For example, the DEA doesn't call the National Guard in when they hear about some guy selling meth on a corner, they handle it themselves. Now, if a massive drug war erupts in a populated city, the DEA just might call the National Guard.

 Trondheim wrote:
No because it would make for even worse reading that your other stuff. And beside try to keep within the bondrais set by the establised fluff. It is never wise to involve very well know places or figures in such home brewn stuff

Agreed. Unless your there in a relatively mior role. 'A company regiment of my guys were there during the 3rd Wasr for armageddon too. Helped the Salamanders take out ork roks, or black Templars in boarding actions.

Aside from that I agree with others.

'Legit' is rather subjective. If you have orders to butcher a world, most imperial generals would just do it. Legitimate wars is rather a modern term bandied about by the media. Killing is killing. In 40k, people would neither know about nor care that people of world avergeonia have been butchered by the imperial Guard at the orders of inquisitor/high lord or whatever.

Darth Bob wrote:It's a matter of priority. The Inquisition is capable of handling a couple of heretics without help from a Chapter of Space Marines or an Imperial Guard battalion.

Eh, it depends. When the Inquisition moved against the Sons of Malice, they dispatched an entire regiment of Cadian Shock Troops to eradicate every human tribe on their homeworld in a planetary campaign of genocide. Long after the Sons have fled the scene. Just to make a point.

Generally, an Inquisitor will do whatever is necessary to eradicate what he or she considers a threat. The exact amount of forces summoned by an Inquisitor to deal with "a couple heretics" would thus depend on his/her assessment of their exact numbers and influence, modified by the Inquisitor's personal style. Some prefer secrecy and subterfuge, others ... well, others land in the open city in a Thunderhawk bearing the Inquisition's insignia, wearing powered armour and being accompanied by household ISTs. "Overkill" is an option, depending on the individual Inquisitor.

On the topic at hand, however, I will agree with Trondheim - it is unwise to push one's own ideas onto such well-established pieces of the background. Why not at least invent a new place for that, thus ensuring a little more consistency with GW's own material? Just a thought borne out of my personal preferences.

 Lynata wrote:

Darth Bob wrote:It's a matter of priority. The Inquisition is capable of handling a couple of heretics without help from a Chapter of Space Marines or an Imperial Guard battalion.

Eh, it depends. When the Inquisition moved against the Sons of Malice, they dispatched an entire regiment of Cadian Shock Troops to eradicate every human tribe on their homeworld in a planetary campaign of genocide. Long after the Sons have fled the scene. Just to make a point.

Every human tribe on a planet =/= a couple of Heretics. A situation like the Sons of Malice, what with them being renegade Astartes, is likely cause for the Inquisition to call in help. Renegade Astartes have a tendency to cause a more dramatic response because renegade Astartes have a tendency to cause big problems if they're left to do what they want (Black Crusades, the Dominion of Fire). What I'm saying is that an Inquisitor will not call the Ultramarines to help quell a cult of thirty guys on some Hive World. They'll handle it themselves. Now if that cult turns into something like the incident on Vraks? You better bet there's going to be SM Chapters along with a few battalions of IG.

To declare war on Armageddon would be insane. Next to Mars, it is one of the most vital manufacturing planets in the entire Imperium.

Arcsquad12 has it nailed on this one, an Inquistor may have massive power but they still have to deal with other Inquisitors. All of whom will question why they tried to destroy a vital worlds population that is busy dealing with production and orks.

Much in the same way as Emperor Palpatine an Imperial Inquisitor has enough authority and clout in a system they are in to "Make it legal". Hell I am sure they could get away with an exterminatus if they lost a card game if they wanted to.

Except in 40K, nobody has the absolute power that Palpatine had. Even Radical inquisitors would be shot down for something as ludicrous as annihilating your largest factory because someone declared it heretical.

The smart inquisitors just euthanized the populace but left the infrastructure intact. They didn't wipe out the Hives, just the people. And even then they made enemies for being such jerks. Grimnar hasn't forgotten the crap the inquisition pulled.

A virus bomb could target the biological populace and leave say a forge world intact.
I think that is the point of Inquisitors. They have absolute athority and power, What they do with it is up to them.

Dooley wrote:
A virus bomb could target the biological populace and leave say a forge world intact.
I think that is the point of Inquisitors. They have absolute athority and power, What they do with it is up to them.

Not correct, read this for more info.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Virus_bomb#.UFd9glGiGh4

And no Inquisitor is safe from his peers, you cant simply run around killing of worlds at will. Those things are the absolute last form of measures used by the IoM

RecoveryThe lifeless rocks left after a viral bombing may still contain valuable non-organic resources after the virus itself has died off. In such situations, the Adeptus Mechanicus may re-terraform the world, rendering it habitable again.4

So what ever survives the fire storm (Ferrocrete and hardned facilities with voidshiled generators ) would be able to be reclaimed by the mechanicus. Ultimately The Inquisitor on the ground can make the call. However like you said, thier peers may have qualms with what they do and put a stop to it or bring them to the attention of the High Lords of Terra.

Darth Bob wrote:Every human tribe on a planet =/= a couple of Heretics. A situation like the Sons of Malice, what with them being renegade Astartes, is likely cause for the Inquisition to call in help.

Yet when the Inquisition decided they want to eradicate the natives the Astartes were long gone. It wasn't even necessary, they just wanted to "clean up" after one of their own got killed and the actual target of the purge had escaped. That's what I was getting at. Sometimes, Inquisitorial purges can indeed be overkill and/or unnecessary.
Also see what happened to the world of Khattar in this text. Many times, the Imperium just operates on the policy of "kill them all, the Emperor will know His own".

I've already addressed what happens if a cult is truly just "thirty guys on some Hive World" with the second half of my post. Actually, a situation like that isn't even likely to call down the Inquisition because thirty heretics without connections and influence aren't even worth their attention. That's the kind of mop-up operations you have Enforcers, Arbites and Ecclesiarchy Preachers for.

Arcsquad12 wrote:Except in 40K, nobody has the absolute power that Palpatine had. Even Radical inquisitors would be shot down for something as ludicrous as annihilating your largest factory because someone declared it heretical.

Whilst Inquisitorial Self-Control is a fact, it may be worth pointing out that such consequences would arise only after the culprit's orders have been carried out.

Darth Bob wrote:Grimnar hasn't forgotten the crap the inquisition pulled.

Meh, the SW are about the only ones in the galaxy who give a crap, and they have about zero influence with the wider Imperium. Ultimately, it goes back to what Eetion said about generals following orders, not to mention the distance/closeness between the various organisations involved.

 Lynata wrote:

Arcsquad12 wrote:Except in 40K, nobody has the absolute power that Palpatine had. Even Radical inquisitors would be shot down for something as ludicrous as annihilating your largest factory because someone declared it heretical.

Whilst Inquisitorial Self-Control is a fact, it may be worth pointing out that such consequences would arise only after the culprit's orders have been carried out.

But this would be fine if it was a generic, medium important planet in the IoM, a world such as Armageddon is different however (leaving plot armour aside). The people involved in Armageddon are not Imerial pencil pushers and low grade officers, the would have close links with the High Lords and due to being in the Segmentum Solar have very rapid communications. Due to this a counter order would be quite quickly given.

You are also assuming that the Inquisitor has no ability to think ahead, they would know that trying to commit to such an order would be a death sentence for them, so would not do it.

BluntmanDC wrote:But this would be fine if it was a generic, medium important planet in the IoM, a world such as Armageddon is different however (leaving plot armour aside). The people involved in Armageddon are not Imerial pencil pushers and low grade officers, the would have close links with the High Lords and due to being in the Segmentum Solar have very rapid communications. Due to this a counter order would be quite quickly given.

Maybe. I guess this is where interpretation sets in - I myself would consider it, but at the same time I also wouldn't be sure if a reply could reach the executing force in time. Given the military forces involved in the campaign, the means to exterminate the local population or even the entire world are probably already on-site and just require green light. How long would you, as the Captain of an Imperial Navy cruiser loaded with viral bombs, be willing to stall an Inquisitor whilst waiting for a reply from faraway Terra?

"When the galactic distance required of a transmission is so great that a single Astropath proves insufficient, it is common for them to work in relays, sending messages to various beacons, hubs and Imperial sub-stations to pass along. [...] Warp interference is common, as messages can be delayed, altered or contaminated by any number of fluctuations, such as shifts in Warp tides or the intermingling of multiple telepathic signals."
- 6E rulebook

And that is assuming said Inquisitor didn't already bring his own means of delivering destruction.

BluntmanDC wrote:You are also assuming that the Inquisitor has no ability to think ahead, they would know that trying to commit to such an order would be a death sentence for them, so would not do it.

No, actually I am not assuming this. I do however know that Inquisitors are individuals and as such differ from person to person. Depending on their character, they may very well see their own solution as the only viable way, and many are quite willing to ignore potential consequences of their actions as long as they are convinced it is necessary. Sacrifice is part of their job, and they put themselves into danger on a daily basis. Why should they fear the wrath of their fellow Inquisitor if they think it absolutely has to be done? They gamble all the time, just look at Karamazhov - the guy already had an entire army backed up by multiple Inquisitors and the Adeptus Ministorum surrounding his keep until he at last managed to procure evidence of his valuable prisoner's guilt.

If Inquisitor De Marche would have "thought ahead", he would've stayed away from using Chaos weapons instead of giving his colleagues a reason to execute him.
If Inquisitor Apollyon would have "thought ahead", he would've realised that his personal pride isn't worth killing off an entire perfectly good, uncorrupted, and loyal Space Marine Chapter.
If Inquisitor Pietas would have "thought ahead", she would've brought more to beat up the Sons of Malice Chapter than just a few squads of Celestians.
The list goes on. Plenty of room for decisions that may look weird to anyone but the Inquisitor him/herself.

As I already pointed out, the whole thing is somewhat unlikely to happen because most Inquisitors are actually fairly smart people (so I am actually on your side, in case you missed my first posts in this thread - I'm just playing Devil's Advocate now). I wouldn't completely exclude it, tho.

I took out the proposal of Armageddon, since I agree that it is best to avoid using canon factions in a large way. What about Todth though?

www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/368718.page

 Trondheim wrote:

Dooley wrote:
A virus bomb could target the biological populace and leave say a forge world intact.
I think that is the point of Inquisitors. They have absolute athority and power, What they do with it is up to them.

Not correct, read this for more info.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Virus_bomb#.UFd9glGiGh4

And no Inquisitor is safe from his peers, you cant simply run around killing of worlds at will. Those things are the absolute last form of measures used by the IoM

Indeed, it would actually be a crime of monumental proportions to waste valuable Virus Bombs as well as a useful planet on a frivilous whim.

Make no mistake, if an Inquisitor doesn't like someone, the Inquisitor can have that persons arse served to them on a silver platter faster then you can blink. But an entire planet is something entirely different.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Trondheim wrote:

Dooley wrote:
A virus bomb could target the biological populace and leave say a forge world intact.
I think that is the point of Inquisitors. They have absolute athority and power, What they do with it is up to them.

Not correct, read this for more info.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Virus_bomb#.UFd9glGiGh4

And no Inquisitor is safe from his peers, you cant simply run around killing of worlds at will. Those things are the absolute last form of measures used by the IoM

Indeed, it would actually be a crime of monumental proportions to waste valuable Virus Bombs as well as a useful planet on a frivilous whim.

Make no mistake, if an Inquisitor doesn't like someone, the Inquisitor can have that persons arse served to them on a silver platter faster then you can blink. But an entire planet is something entirely different.

I don't want to exterminatus it, I just want to take over it because it's, well...

Inquisitors are like Spectres in the Mass Effect universe. Individually they're very powerful and very hard to wield force against, such that usually the best countermeasure against a rogue Inquisitor is to send an Inquisitor after him/her/it/thingy.

If an Inquisitor wants to take over a planet, he doesn't need to virus-bomb it; all it would really take is to commandeer the planetary governor, prevent him from arguing (I suspect by shooting him), and then justify his control legally or avoid the issue with his superiors. I'm more concerned as to why, really; Inquisitors aren't the home-building type and don't usually do things like tying themselves down to one location. What's your Inquisitor trying to accomplish?

I suppose they would see the use of any psykers as heresy. Sturmkrieg is around the same level as Black Templars in that area. That would probably justify an invasion.


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So seeing as the Ordo Scharzenkommando hates psykers, if Todth uses sanctioned pskyers, an Inquisitor could declare control over the world, and fight anyone who remains loyal to the heretic governor?

Just give it up, your idea was less than good to begin with. But if you absolutly need to press forwards with this I would suggest you attemt at cooking up a better explenation than the use of sanctioned psykers. A hidden xeno or daemonic worhsiping cult I could see working but outside that I have my doubts still.

As for declrearing war see the things I mentioned above.

 Trondheim wrote:
Just give it up, your idea was less than good to begin with. But if you absolutly need to press forwards with this I would suggest you attemt at cooking up a better explenation than the use of sanctioned psykers. A hidden xeno or daemonic worhsiping cult I could see working but outside that I have my doubts still.

As for declrearing war see the things I mentioned above.

Thanks.

Sanctioned psykers is weak. I was going to move onto something better than just declaring war anyway. I'll probably add in Cultists or a daemonic infestation. Or possibly corruption in the leadership of the world, so it appears that the world is worshiping Chaos. Probably not the governor, but a few high ranking people.

A good idea would be planetary nobels or perhaps a merchentile house under the influence of said powers or factions. Slaugth are a rather insidious and very real treath to mankind. I would love to see how you could make a story with them as the bad guys, but bear in mind that such formidebal foes will have a literal army at their beck and call. And added to their very formidebal powers that can rival all but the very best the IoM can trow at them. Read the dark heresy books for more info on these foul xenos.

And always nice to help a fellow author

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
campaigns against Todth.

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Ordo Scharzenkommandos

What the hell are you talking about?

Moving to Dakka Fiction.

 Manchu wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Ordo Scharzenkommandos

What the hell are you talking about?

His little sector of space where he's setting everything is pretty much Space Germany taken up to the nth degree. It used to be worse, however. A LOT worse, but I think that his group finally decided to start deleting some of the more idiotic ideas.

All debate of homebrew fluff goes in the Fiction section, thanks!

 Arcsquad12 wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Inquisitor Ehrenstein wrote:
Ordo Scharzenkommandos

What the hell are you talking about?

His little sector of space where he's setting everything is pretty much Space Germany taken up to the nth degree. It used to be worse, however. A LOT worse, but I think that his group finally decided to start deleting some of the more idiotic ideas.

Could you please let me know some more of your concerns and possible improvements? You can send them in a private message. I welcome criticism.