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Can flyers end its move on top of (with base) friendly or enemy models?

Nope, just like other models, they have to stay within 1 inch of them. Or is it two...?

Either way, sadly, you can't.

The base cannot end on top of other models, however can end "over" other models - so their base is on the table, but the wings of the flyer etc can hang over other models.

Right. The base always has to stay 1" away, but the wings, tail, (etc.) can overhang.

Isn't the 1" just enemy models though? You can end your move in base contact with a friendly model if you want, right?

 Mannahnin wrote:
Right. The base always has to stay 1" away, but the wings, tail, (etc.) can overhang.

Do you have a page reference for this. We've been having people moving units onto Flyer bases and it seems that nothing in the rules prevents this and it can be read in the Flyer rules to specifically allowing this movement.

Unless you can find an exception for flyer bases, then the same rules that apply to other bases apply to them as well.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Right. The base always has to stay 1" away, but the wings, tail, (etc.) can overhang.

Do you have a page reference for this. We've been having people moving units onto Flyer bases and it seems that nothing in the rules prevents this and it can be read in the Flyer rules to specifically allowing this movement.

Although it's in the assault movement rules, the fact it says "you still cannot" should be telling. But, on page 21 under moving charging it does say that models can't move through friendly models or gaps smaller than their base size.

The FAQ says you can move models through the base, but have to end up in a legal position (not under the base for friendly models, 1" away for enemy models).

Pyrian wrote:
The FAQ says you can move models through the base, but have to end up in a legal position (not under the base for friendly models, 1" away for enemy models).

I do see this rule for Flying Monstrous Creatures, but I do not see it for Flyer Vehicles.


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 Ghaz wrote:
Unless you can find an exception for flyer bases, then the same rules that apply to other bases apply to them as well.

Page reference for the actual rule please.



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 Kevin949 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Right. The base always has to stay 1" away, but the wings, tail, (etc.) can overhang.

Do you have a page reference for this. We've been having people moving units onto Flyer bases and it seems that nothing in the rules prevents this and it can be read in the Flyer rules to specifically allowing this movement.

Although it's in the assault movement rules, the fact it says "you still cannot" should be telling. But, on page 21 under moving charging it does say that models can't move through friendly models or gaps smaller than their base size.

That is very specifically referring to charging.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

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 Kevin949 wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Right. The base always has to stay 1" away, but the wings, tail, (etc.) can overhang.

Do you have a page reference for this. We've been having people moving units onto Flyer bases and it seems that nothing in the rules prevents this and it can be read in the Flyer rules to specifically allowing this movement.

Although it's in the assault movement rules, the fact it says "you still cannot" should be telling. But, on page 21 under moving charging it does say that models can't move through friendly models or gaps smaller than their base size.

That is very specifically referring to charging.

Yes, I know, which I was said as much. And I also said that the fact it says "you still cannot", though nowhere else in the book does it say you can't move through your own guys why would it say "you still cannot" in that section?

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Just to add to this, the "ignore the base" wording is also there for skimmers. *Shrug* Just sayin.

Just to be clear I'm not saying any of you are wrong. I just need an actual rule to put before my players to stop this, because as of right now, RAW appears to allow it per the Flyer rules.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
Just to be clear I'm not saying any of you are wrong. I just need an actual rule to put before my players to stop this, because as of right now, RAW appears to allow it per the Flyer rules.

Oh, actually I did leave out an important bit earlier that I just noticed, pertaining to the assault rule I mentioned. It does state first thing that "following the same rules as in the movement phase, with the exception that they can be moved within 1" of enemy models. Charging models still cannot move through friendly or enemy models, cannot pass through gaps narrower than their base, and cannote move into base contact with enemy models from a unit they are not charging."

So, I know this pertains to assaulting but since it does state you follow the normal movement rules and it does say you "still cannot move through friendly/enemy models", does that not lend itself to mean you can't normally move that way?

That looks like hold over wording from 5th to sixth that was not retained in the movement rules. In 5th you had the section page 11, entitled Models in the Way. This section is in 6th page 10 but it is cut way down and does not contain the language preventing friendly models from being on top of friendly models, it only refers to opposing units.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
That looks like hold over wording from 5th to sixth that was not retained in the movement rules. In 5th you had the section page 11, entitled Models in the Way. This section is in 6th page 10 but it is cut way down and does not contain the language preventing friendly models from being on top of friendly models, it only refers to opposing units.

Yup, pretty much. Though, I suppose you could say that since it's two separate sentences you could say the first one is addressing enemy models and the second is addressing "any model in the way". It would, technically, jive with the rest of the rules referencing a seemingly non-existent rule.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
I do see this rule for Flying Monstrous Creatures, but I do not see it for Flyer Vehicles.

Well, that's interesting. It was in the 6th ed 1.0 FAQ, but removed from the 1.0a FAQ. Sorry, my mistake!

NecronLord3 wrote:Page reference for the actual rule please.

You would be the one who would need to provide a page reference and actual rule for treating the base on a flyer differently than any other base.

 Ghaz wrote:

NecronLord3 wrote:Page reference for the actual rule please.

You would be the one who would need to provide a page reference and actual rule for treating the base on a flyer differently than any other base.

Right but if you will check the reference I made in my last post you will see that those are rules that were in 5th edition and not present in 6th edition.

And I didn't say anything about them, did I? No sense repeating what the others already have covered. The rules for flyer bases are the same as the rules for other bases unless specifically noted otherwise. Therefore your question isn't really about flyer bases, but bases in general, and if your opponents are playing flyer bases differently than other bases then they need to show you the rule that allows them to do so instead of the other way around.

No there is simply really no ability to actually place models on any other base than, on the large oval bases. With Flyers you can, and the previous rule preventing this no longer exists in 6th edition.

 NecronLord3 wrote:
No there is simply really no ability to actually place models on any other base than, on the large oval bases. With Flyers you can, and the previous rule preventing this no longer exists in 6th edition.

Page reference for where this is allowed?

I think the point he is making is in 5th the wording specifically prevented this.

In 6th that wording has changed so this is not explicitly denied.

bfdhud wrote:
I think the point he is making is in 5th the wording specifically prevented this.

In 6th that wording has changed so this is not explicitly denied.

so you can stack models on top of each other?

I an not seeing where that is allowed.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 NecronLord3 wrote:
No there is simply really no ability to actually place models on any other base than, on the large oval bases. With Flyers you can, and the previous rule preventing this no longer exists in 6th edition.

Page reference for where this is allowed?

Page 80:

The base of a Flyer is effectively ignored, except when:

The flyer is being assaulted, in which case models may move into contact with the vehicle's hull, its base or both.

Models are embarking or disembarking from the Flyer, in which case the base of the Flyer is used as the Access Point.

So if I ignore it, I act as if it is not there and I am free to place my models on top of it.

Models that physically fit under a Flyer model can move beneath it. Likewise, a Flyer can end it move over such models. However, when moving this way, enemy models must still remain 1" away from the base of the Flyer, and the Flyer cannot end its move with its base within 1" of other enemy models.

So I can move under it, end my move over my models, and I ignore my base with my friendly models.

Specific allowance.

That does not mean what you think it means.

You are given no allowance to end your move on the fliers base.

here is a situation that proves you can not end there.

Say you move a unit near a friendly flier, and one guy ends his move on the fliers base. then you zoom the flier 18 inches, now the guy is out of coherency.

Page 80, Flyers and other Models, specifies that enemy models can move under a flyer, but must stay 1" away from the base.

The text about not being able to move over friendly models is missing in 6th, which is probably the most embarassing editorial oversight in this rulebook. The assault rules (and I think one other place, IIRC) make clear by implication that it's supposed to be there, but the editors screwed the pooch.

From the Warhammer 40K 6th edition Main Rulebook FAQ (v1.0):

Q: Are models free to move underneath Zooming Flyers? (p80)

A: Yes, though enemy models must finish their move at least 1" away from the Flyer's base.

So we have at least one definite instance where you would not be able to be on top of a flyer's base.

 DeathReaper wrote:
That does not mean what you think it means.

You are given no allowance to end your move on the fliers base.

here is a situation that proves you can not end there.

Say you move a unit near a friendly flier, and one guy ends his move on the fliers base. then you zoom the flier 18 inches, now the guy is out of coherency.

You are forgetting to ignore the base. If the base is ignored, then when the Flyer moves you simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there. Or you move your models on the base before or after the Flyer moves.


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 Ghaz wrote:
From the Warhammer 40K 6th edition Main Rulebook FAQ (v1.0):

Q: Are models free to move underneath Zooming Flyers? (p80)

A: Yes, though enemy models must finish their move at least 1" away from the Flyer's base.

So we have at least one definite instance where you would not be able to be on top of a flyer's base.

Your reference is to enemy movement, which is clearly prohibited from ending within 1" of the base.

That is because friendly models do not have to be outside of 1"

No matter how you spin read it.

They cannot coexist in the same space.

 NecronLord3 wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:
That does not mean what you think it means.

You are given no allowance to end your move on the fliers base.

here is a situation that proves you can not end there.

Say you move a unit near a friendly flier, and one guy ends his move on the fliers base. then you zoom the flier 18 inches, now the guy is out of coherency.

You are forgetting to ignore the base. If the base is ignored, then when the Flyer moves you simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there. Or you move your models on the base before or after the Flyer moves.

And the page that says "simply move the models to the appropriate position as if it wasn't there" is what?