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 Viktor von Domm wrote:
hey silveroxide... good to see you back here... and with some very good looking work too!!!

Yes, and I am glad to be back. I was overseas for a while and I am back home in the USA. I am done with those overseas contracts. Time to stay home and play with the grandkids. I have a few more conversions of the Talon that I am working on and they will follow in this thread. In the meantime, here are couple of photos of the finished product. The thread will continue until I get to this stage. Enjoy and see you all next posting.

do i get this right, you used a printed and colored version at that to build that storm talon? remarkable... as no flashes (white of paper) are to be seen... very through work here... and the finished work looks very cool...

Time to stay home and play with the grandkids

how old are you? if i am allowed that boldness i am by the way 38 since yesterday

Wow, that's superb and I'm presuming is quite a sturdy piece as it's laminated card. Strangely enough, I've printed this model out a few weeks ago with the intent to convert the Talon, but got sidetracked with a thunderhawk !

Good work, can't wait to see more models from you

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
do i get this right, you used a printed and colored version at that to build that storm talon? remarkable... as no flashes (white of paper) are to be seen... very through work here... and the finished work looks very cool...

Time to stay home and play with the grandkids

how old are you? if i am allowed that boldness i am by the way 38 since yesterday

I am bit long on age, 62 this month and collecting my second pension in December. I believe that I missed my calling. I should have been a toymaker at the North Pole working for good old Uncle Nick.

As for the model, in the build sequence you noticed white edgings on most of the photos. I do not worry about that, since I would re-touch it with acrylic paints. Sometimes I build them as a plain black and white and color them to my taste. In the case of this version, I kept the color intact and found some paint to closely match the print out. You would have to look real close to notice that it is not made of plastic. The build thread will assure to skeptics that it is indeed made of paper. I am glad that you are enjoying the build thread and there are more photos to come. The next conversion is already in the works but that will be for another build thread at the end of this one.

 Ruglud wrote:
Wow, that's superb and I'm presuming is quite a sturdy piece as it's laminated card. Strangely enough, I've printed this model out a few weeks ago with the intent to convert the Talon, but got sidetracked with a thunderhawk !

Good work, can't wait to see more models from you

If you build it stock, it does come out as a very nice build but not as strong for constant table top gaming. I have a series of Warhammer stuff here also under warhammer armor and stuff. Click on my avatar and follow my threads. All of my Warhammer models were built to withstand a lot of handling and usable with the game pieces as they are almost to the same scale. Check out http://www.zealot.com/ and look for the warmammer40k thread for a bubch of free downloads of imperial armor and stuff. You will need to join for FREE, but you have to make 10 viable posting to be able to access the free stuff. You must keep in mind, that these models may not be allowed in sanctioned tournaments and at the local tournaments, you may need to get permission to use them. Enjoy and there are many more photos to com.

I believe that I missed my calling.

the thought might occur^^

and i had the suspicion that you are a bit of mazurer material as you don´t tend to use that often or any orkmoticons... a bit of a sign for me

in the build sequence you noticed white edgings on most of the photos

actually i haven´t seen any... as i think your builds are top quality ones!

 Viktor von Domm wrote:

I believe that I missed my calling.

the thought might occur^^

and i had the suspicion that you are a bit of mazurer material as you don´t tend to use that often or any orkmoticons... a bit of a sign for me

in the build sequence you noticed white edgings on most of the photos

actually i haven´t seen any... as i think your builds are top quality ones!

As the old saying goes, and I can remember that far back, I may be old but not dead, at least not yet. As for the Ork smileys, I usually do not use them here or at the other sites.

I may be old but not dead, at least not yet

nice referrence...

and your mix of printed and painted parts is something that really works well...

and... have you worked with that pastic before? i recently held a competition for scratchbuilding terrain and the task was to build a piece of terrain from a whole package of cookies... inside tray...wrapping and what else was included... (cookies needed to be eaten of course first )


and most competitors stated that the plastic of food packages is one hell of a material to paint or glue...what´s your opinion?

 Viktor von Domm wrote:

I may be old but not dead, at least not yet

nice referrence...

and your mix of printed and painted parts is something that really works well...

and... have you worked with that pastic before? i recently held a competition for scratchbuilding terrain and the task was to build a piece of terrain from a whole package of cookies... inside tray...wrapping and what else was included... (cookies needed to be eaten of course first )


and most competitors stated that the plastic of food packages is one hell of a material to paint or glue...what´s your opinion?

I started to build model planes at the ripe age of 10 years and I started with that old defunct but marvelous company of the day "AURORA". moved on to Linbergh, AMT, Airfix and ERTL. Back then, plastic models were very low priced. My first Tamiya model, was the Highly detailed interior Tiger Tank which I bought for $14.00(US) and now goes for about $80.00 (US) and I thought that it was expensive then. Eventually I evolved into scratch building and using styrene. One of my first scratch built styrene models, was the Old Rhino. And then, I found card stock. in which I treat the paper like sheets of styrene and I just cut and fit until I get the desired effect.

My background in art is that I used to be a commercial artist way back ago, late 60's. I learned what paper holds best under wet conditions and what paper to use for making miniature buildings. The plastic in those cookie trays can be painted, but you have to wash them off the grease and oils that is on them from manufacturing or the cookies themselves. To avoid body oils from your fingers, white working gloves come in handy. One of the best chemicals to remove those contaminants from the trays, is vinegar or lemon juice. The acid in them counters the oils. You then spray paint a primer over the plastic and then you paint it up to your hearts content like a regular model.. Personally, I like the foam packaging from the electronics boxes. They already come in the shape of a heavy fortified building, you only have to apply the details, like doors, piping, windows etc.

I will be back soon with more photo updates on the Talon.

Now with the Talon This bunch of photos, show my sticky label method. It also works well with rounded canopies. The paper sticks very well and gives a good adhesion point to the canopies. In this case, I used the flat panel from the pastry case. The plastic is thick enough to allow for a bend. I use a plier that is flat and no ridges so that it will not mar the surface. Once it is bent in the position required, it will maintain its shape and you do not have to worry about it spreading outward. The canopy in the plans is not together so I cut it out and joined it as one whole piece. This allows for a better fit. Without further Ado, here are the pics.

I used to be a commercial artist way back ago, late 60's.

ah! those where the days... these times and the feel got me falsly into studing business administration one cold day... i regreted it bitterly... i wanted to do art and not business...well... so much for that...

your background is something we all here can profit from immensly!

One of the best chemicals to remove those contaminants from the trays, is vinegar or lemon juice. The acid in them counters the oils

that is high valuable information!!! great saving on materials thus... you have no idea how many containers of such plastics each day get used up, emptied and such like in our household...thanks for that hint!!! i will test that tomorrow for sure!

the mailing labels... what a cool idea! and with that little wastage it is a lifetimes wortth suply...do you use additional superglue to attach it to the plastic for the canopy? i bet it would later on come off on its own accord?


and personally i think the slided off version looks totally cool!!!


manny thank you´s!!!

 Viktor von Domm wrote:

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One of the best chemicals to remove those contaminants from the trays, is vinegar or lemon juice. The acid in them counters the oils

that is high valuable information!!! great saving on materials thus... you have no idea how many containers of such plastics each day get used up, emptied and such like in our household...thanks for that hint!!! i will test that tomorrow for sure!

the mailing labels... what a cool idea! and with that little wastage it is a lifetimes wortth suply...do you use additional superglue to attach it to the plastic for the canopy? i bet it would later on come off on its own accord?


and personally i think the slided off version looks totally cool!!!


manny thank you´s!!!

Those are some of the tricks of the trade. Also, that sticky label works also as a stick on decal as well. Use the label make program and make the labels with designs instead of lettering, something like a business card program. This way you can customize your models.with murals or pin ups on the sides. The sliding canopy is okay, but the rear is wide and the front is narrow, which makes the sliding canopy inappropriate, because the front would have to expand out to accommodate the width of the bulkhead, but it is an option. Here in the U.S. There is a spray paint made by Krylon that is used for plastic. They sell it at Wal-mart and It adheres to the molecular properties of the styrene and makes a better base for painting and you do not have to worry about the paint flaking.


Here is another pic heavy post on the Talon. I deviated from the plans, in the making of the thrusters and made them into two sections. With the rounded and concave ends, the thrusters are pose-able. The wing rotators are also different from the plans and they are more close to the GW version and both can rotate individually. The rotators are also more sturdy and withstand constant handling for gaming.

after reading your musings about the labels i think it is inevitable to get me some of these then... specially the idea to create muriels is something that speaks directly to me... i was planning to make a new tank for my steampunk IG army anyways and this would be an option for me to expand my look of tanks... also i think as i have a nack for big tanks this might help me with the big bare spaces a behemoth would show...

krylon is known to me but after your explanation now i fully understand why so many swear to this...(could be wrong in translation here...)

would other companies rust protection spray primer work in this way too?

and the work on the thrusters and the rotators looks very good... i need to see again how you did those rotors... i have on my shelf of shame (all the projects that still are unfinished...probably to eternity...) an airship that needs among other work some good looking rotators to keep it aloft... i think this could be helpful...

 Viktor von Domm wrote:


krylon is known to me but after your explanation now i fully understand why so many swear to this...(could be wrong in translation here...)

would other companies rust protection spray primer work in this way too?

and the work on the thrusters and the rotators looks very good... i need to see again how you did those rotors... i have on my shelf of shame (all the projects that still are unfinished...probably to eternity...) an airship that needs among other work some good looking rotators to keep it aloft... i think this could be helpful...

I use automotive primers but if you were to build, lets say an eldar habitat using cut bottoms from soda or water bottles, after constant use, it would start to flake off because of the bottles flexibility. I did not fully show how I did the rotators due to the massive show of photos, but the piece
that sticks out on one of the connector, fits snug inside the other part. (Male and Female parts)

Well here are the final photos of the Storm Talon, missiles, bombs and canopy attachment.

use automotive primers but if you were to build, lets say an eldar habitat using cut bottoms from soda or water bottles, after constant use, it would start to flake off because of the bottles flexibility

yes i see your point... in fact that is something that really messes the whole process... so i shoould rather opt/ hunt for the real thing then.. understood...


and you just have to love those neat bombs and rockets... i will remember this methode!

Glad you like the Bomb sequence. It is a rather good way to make rounds for the Basilic as well, and place them into the bomb racks.

So here are the last photos of the Storm Talon and a few from the cockpit for the Manned Walker. The cockpit is almst the same as the Storm Talon but I did some modifications in the build process and the cockpit should be as close to the GW version as possible. Enjoy and see you all next posting.

by the way... also a nice paintscheme... the red and yellow are quite tuned to each other!

and what do i read here? a manned walker?

you got me already line hook and sinker again

awesome end product on the talon. what is the 'manned walker' -- an IG Sentinel?

I cannot shake the sense that you, sir, have built your fair share of balsa wood airplanes.

I greatly appreciate you taking the time to not only photograph each step, but also explain how to make things like the bombs, and how to use a Dremel to best effect.

Thank you!

--Brian

Excellent finished piece, it's always the final details you add that blow me away. And as usual, your posts are excellent, ful of useful tips and info.

Good job sir!

Thanks for all your comments. The manned walker is like a sentinel, except that it will be used by the Astartes. The way I made this model, it can also be made in styrene and with parts from the Bitz box. Once the main cabin part is done, I will start to deviate and use the idea of the sentinel for the legs.

So off I go again with another version of the Storm Talon. As you can see from the previous Storm Talon build, this cabin is different and is as close to the GW version this time. Because the legs are a bit tighter on the model, I did away with the center console. The Space marine is trimmed and cut to be able to fit inside the cockpit. The arms will be glued on later. See you all soon with more photos.

Well here are more updates on the cockpit/cabin for the Manned Walker. As you can see from the photos, I cut apart the cabin into sections and then put them back together around the front tub. From the reference photos, the pilots tub should have been recessed deeper but I kept it out a bit more than called for. While making this version, I looked at the parts and there is a possibility of making a two man cockpit, Apache style seating. Enjoy and see you all soon with more stuff and things.

Amazing execution. It would take more than a 2nd glance to realise that it isn't plastic.

 Flashman wrote:
Amazing execution. It would take more than a 2nd glance to realise that it isn't plastic.

Thanks for your comment Flashman. That is the idea, to simulate and make it more believable model. I am glad that you are enjoying the build.

At the moment, the cabin is just about done and I will start either on the weapons arrays, or the legs. There are some parts I cannot attach to the main cabin until the body is attached to the legs, ie: antennas and sensor arrays but here are the next batch of photos on the Walker. The build is almost the same as in the Talon but with a few modifications here and there. Enjoy and see you all next posting.

seeing all this makes me really eager to see how you will cope to implement the legs...

by the way... i seem to have forgotten with what you laminate your paper...?

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
seeing all this makes me really eager to see how you will cope to implement the legs...

by the way... i seem to have forgotten with what you laminate your paper...?

The greatest part of the lamination is done with non-corrugated cardboard. It is about the thickness of of the cereal box carton. Cardstock, is about the thickness of a business card. It would take about three of these, to get the thickness of one sheet of the carton. The drawings can also be printed out and with adhesive, glued to sheet styrene and trimmed out for a plastic version of the model, other than the real model.


The build continues and the differences in the Talon and the Walker, will soon be evident. The lower leg connector, is coming out better than I expected. I am working on the second lower leg at the moment and it looks good so far. Sorry about no photos of the work at this time but it is coming. Here are some more photos of the build.

engine looks good, but will you add a wash later on? looks a bit bright atm...


still looking forward to those legs

 Viktor von Domm wrote:
engine looks good, but will you add a wash later on? looks a bit bright atm...


still looking forward to those legs

It will look a bit more different when done but those photos are still up the line. I am working on the upper leg section and the under body connector is looking very good, but again, those photos are still a little bit ahead.

So here are some more photos of the Walker. The photos are self explanatory.

Here are some more updates on the Walker. The next postings will be on the start of the leg mechanism. Enjoy and see you all soon with more updates.

Some of you have been waiting to see how I tackle the legs section for the Walker. Here are the photos of the first phase of the legs section, the under mechanism for the fuselage.