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There certainly are a lot of rumors about what GW is releasing in November, including some Warriors of Chaos and possibly Dark Angels as most people have seen by now.

Here's the only thing certain so far about The Hobbit and December in the GW official statement below, so maybe we are getting something cool for a Warhammer system in November. I wonder how well this product for The Hobbit will do. It's been about 2 years since GW had a major release for the LotR related game systems. When Fellowship of the Ring was in theaters GW was selling their related gaming product in high profile massive chain stores like Borders Books, but Borders is sadly gone now and who knows if any large chains will give GW product that kind of exposure this time around.

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From a recent GW financial statement the CEO declared:

"What I can say is that we will release some amazing products this year. Products that will surprise and delight Hobbyists. We plan to do so every month, including December 2012 when we will release our new Hobbit range to coincide with the film. And... ahh, but that would spoil the surprise. You will just have to wait and see. You will not be disappointed."

from http://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Preliminary-announcement-2012-final.pdf

 Alpharius wrote:
MIGHTLY upset at the rumor that the plastic Dragon Ogres are sub-par.

It will never cease to amaze me what passes for QC/Artistic Signoffs at GW.

You know, if this is true...

I simply cannot understand how sub-par miniatures get made at GW these days. Why don't they have Jes Goodwin design/direct and/or sculpt basically as much as he can, with Juan Diaz, Brian Nelson and the other really good designers/sculptors doing the rest. It's not like they come out with a bajillinon things every month non-stop. I don't know why they even keep on the dead-weight, like whoever sculpted the Finecast Flayed Ones, the new (truly awful, and mightily disappointing) Mutilators, etc...

I know that not every release can get the kind of extended attention and comprehensive quality overhaul that the Dark Eldar got, but if they could at least get the good quality that the Necrons, Grey Knights (save the "baby harness"), and the Tyranids got. There isn't a single miniature in those lines that I don't think is fine, and most I genuinely like, and a few I think are downright brilliant.

Of course, none of us know if the Dragon Ogres are poorly done or not, but my comment still stands I think. Get rid of the dead weight, GW, and give the designing/sculpting to those who produce the really top-notch sculpts!

-C6

 catharsix wrote:
Why don't they have Jes Goodwin design/direct and/or sculpt basically as much as he can, with Juan Diaz, Brian Nelson and the other really good designers/sculptors doing the rest.

He does, when not having duties as head of the plastic department

 BrassScorpion wrote:
It's been about 2 years since GW had a major release for the LotR related game systems.

This seems a bit off to me. I have been involved with GW games for less than 2 years, and there was definitely a major release in that time. If I remember correctly, it was February or March of this year.

2012: The year that WFB got a whopping 2 army books, both in the first 4 months.

This is just BS. And then on top of that the Dragon-ogres are apparently NOTHING like the Shaggoth. Sigh.

And I'm quite tired of all the nurgle/khorne models. WTB Tzeentch awesomeness.

This has been a terrible year for WFB. Grumble.

I suppose the upside is that since nothing cool is coming out with a book, I won't be tempted to start another army.

Pretty excited for a wave of WoC kits, should be some good conversion potential there. Unfortunately there's also likely to be some really nice things I want to buy and will have no gaming use for.

 Sasori wrote:

It looks to me what they are doing now, is releasing a WD "Wave" ahead of the Codex release, so that when they release the codex they can hit it with the rest of the models.

Yeah, I really hope this is a long-term pattern. It's a very good direction to go in imo.

 Aerethan wrote:
2012: The year that WFB got a whopping 2 army books, both in the first 4 months.

GW might simply be aware of 8th not being quite as good as they thought it was...WHFB became a lot less popular in our area, same applies for other parts of Germany I know people from. Most stores barely have WHF events anymore and if they do, those usually are 1500 or less points (which really is so little compared to the tourney size of 3k points). A lot of people I know (including myself) sold their WHFB armies in order to buy 40k stuff or gave up on tabletop altogether.

...and with 8th in mind: rightfully so.

WFB is very much alive and well in my neck of the woods, being equally as popular as 40k.

Come to think of it, did 40k only get 2 books this year as well?

you know I was gonna start a warriors of chaos army, but if they're just getting a white dwarf update (which is always, ALWAYS terrible) forget it
that and I always disliked how armies have virtually no magic items of their own and have to use that crappy common magic item list
I delude myself into liking 8th ed but I really should just give up.
Maybe lord of the rings will get a boost, that game was always playable, except war of the ring, that game can go die in a fire

 Aerethan wrote:
WFB is very much alive and well in my neck of the woods, being equally as popular as 40k.

Come to think of it, did 40k only get 2 books this year as well?

40k got a whole new edition

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
WFB is very much alive and well in my neck of the woods, being equally as popular as 40k.

Come to think of it, did 40k only get 2 books this year as well?

40k got a whole new edition

Which is all of like 50 models and is not a codex. A new edition shouldn't massively interrupt codex release schedules.

It might not interupt production of new models

but it will interup codex production as stuff they thought was done needs to be changed to fit with new rules

a small interuption if all teams talk to each other regularly, but I bet they don't,

and even if they are meant to somebody in the meeting will forget/not listen to something that will come back to cause problems in 6months to a years time

 Aerethan wrote:
WFB is very much alive and well in my neck of the woods, being equally as popular as 40k.

The space marine range alone is as popular as the whloe of WHFB, if you look at it from a sales perspective.

 Aerethan wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
WFB is very much alive and well in my neck of the woods, being equally as popular as 40k.

Come to think of it, did 40k only get 2 books this year as well?

40k got a whole new edition

Which is all of like 50 models and is not a codex. A new edition shouldn't massively interrupt codex release schedules.

6th breathed fresh life into 40k, finally nerfing those dreaded Grey Knights and solving major balance problems like transporter spam while adding new, interesting features and depth.

Pretty much the opposite of what 8th did in WHFB.

6th breathed fresh life into 40k, finally nerfing those dreaded Grey Knights and solving major balance problems like transporter spam while adding new, interesting features and depth.

I disagree with this as all the game is now is who can spam flyers. As to the features and depth I also disagree with that and I could go on for a long time about it as well.

Around my area most people have sold off their 40k armies and sticking with fantasy, but many have said they will probably just drop warhammer of either flavor because of pretty much everything that GW does.

NIce to hear, and interesting, but, this is the WoC WFB rumor thread - let's all stay on topic!

Thanks!

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
you know I was gonna start a warriors of chaos army, but if they're just getting a white dwarf update (which is always, ALWAYS terrible) forget it

You do understand the difference between a WD update, and a WD Codex/Army Book? This is the former.

WoC already received a WD update in...uhm...6th? I don't see anything wrong with that, especially since WoC do not even need a new codex, just minor adjustments....same as Lizardmen.

 LunaHound wrote:
Guess its confirmed!

Przemcio251 over at Warseer wrote:A bit of news apart from Skull Crushers and Hellstriders we will get units from pages 58, 72, 73, 74, 76 and 78 of our rulebook
So no new models for unit from page 62....
they are finecast and limited release scylla might be a new sculpt
Scylla will probably be a new model as it costs over twice the $ then Wulfrik
no WH40K in November

adicto over at Warseer wrote:58 - Warshrine
72 - Sigvald
73 - Valkya
74 - Wulfrik
76 - Scyla
78 - Festus

It looks like too many special characters in a single wave to me, but I really NEED Festus for the nurgle army I'm building up!

Valdee over at Warseer wrote:There will be update in WD with new models:
- warshrine
- skullcrushers of khorne
- hellriders of slaanesh
And models of:
- Valkia
- Festus
- Scyla
- Others special characters in finecast.

Sounds accurate to me; Harry said two new Special characters, and out of those 5 listed 3 already have models, so I reckon Scyla, Wulfrik and Sigvald are just being converted to Finecast from the current sculpts.

Another confirmation by a new poster over at Warseer:

Hastour wrote:Hi guys.
In our local retailer's preorders list the new chaos models are already available. There is a plastic warshrine, khorne and slaanesh units of monstrous cavalry, and special characters, including Valkia.
(...)
Sorry guys, I might have misled you here - they do seem to be just cavalry on slaanesh steeds (the price tag matches the equivalents in the deamons army). The other unit is obviously on juggers.

As to the special characters, wer're getting Scylla, Wulfrik, Valkia, Festus and Sigvald in finecast.
The warshrine name is just "warshrine", so I suppose it doesn't double as a chariot.

Przemcio251 wrote:Nope no plastic Chaos Lord

This time, but there are surely more units to come in the second wave, with the book.

 Aerethan wrote:
WFB is very much alive and well in my neck of the woods, being equally as popular as 40k.

Come to think of it, did 40k only get 2 books this year as well?

Books? Yes. But GW released roughly the same amount of miniatures for 40K in the first half of 2012 as they did in previous years.

2012 Jan-Jun: 21 new, original 40K releases
2011 Jan-Jun: 20 new, original 40K releases
2010 Jan-Jun: 24 new, original 40K releases (incl. Spearhead)
2009 Jan- Jun: 20 new, original 40K releases (incl. Space Marine Casualties minis).

The Space Wolves / Tyranids double-release in early 2012 was actually quite a bit larger than either the Grey Knights or the Blood Angels release of previous years.

So for a miniature company, their miniature pipeline was as stuffed as ever. They just didn't put out a book (which is largely negligible with respect to logistics and production efforts anyhow).

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
WFB is very much alive and well in my neck of the woods, being equally as popular as 40k.

Come to think of it, did 40k only get 2 books this year as well?

Books? Yes. But GW released roughly the same amount of miniatures for 40K in the first half of 2012 as they did in previous years.

2012 Jan-Jun: 21 new, original 40K releases
2011 Jan-Jun: 20 new, original 40K releases
2010 Jan-Jun: 24 new, original 40K releases (incl. Spearhead)
2009 Jan- Jun: 20 new, original 40K releases (incl. Space Marine Casualties minis).

The Space Wolves / Tyranids double-release in early 2012 was actually quite a bit larger than either the Grey Knights or the Blood Angels release of previous years.

So for a miniature company, their miniature pipeline was as stuffed as ever. They just didn't put out a book (which is largely negligible with respect to logistics and production efforts anyhow).

See the problem is that for most people, those models are useless without the books. What would have happened if Demigryphs had been released with no rules?

Either way, 2 books a year is tragically slow, especially when both of those books are in the first third of the year.

Those all look to be confirmation/pile-on, so I'll go ahead and leave them off the tracker.

Copied from the other thread:

3rd November

Skullcrushers of Khorne (3 Fig Box) $58.00
Hellstriders of Slaanesh (5 Fig Box) $33.00
Chaos Warshrine (1 Fig Box) $58.00

Scyla Anfingrimm (1 Fig Box) $49.50
Festus the Leechlord (1 Fig Clampack) $19.25
Wulfrik the Wanderer (1 Fig Clampack) $19.25
Sigvald the Magnificent (1 Fig Clampack $19.25
Valkia the Bloody (1 Fig Clampack) $22.25

Khorne Chaos Lord on Juggernaut (1 Fig Box) $49.50
Nurgle Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount (1 Fig Box) $40.00
Galrauch (1 Fig Box) $71.00
Tzeentch Chaos Lord on Disc of Tzeentch (1 Fig Box) $40.00
Chosen Command (5 Fig Box) $45.00
Chosen (5 Fig Box) $45.00
Be’lakor, Chaos Daemon Prince (1 Fig Box) $37.25

Chaos Warrior Halberds Upgrade Pack (10 Piece Pack) $15.00
Chaos Warrior Great Weapon Upgrade Pack (10 Piece Pack) $15.00

http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2012/10/22/warriors-of-chaos-pre-order-special-25-off/

 Sigvatr wrote:


6th breathed fresh life into 40k, finally nerfing those dreaded Grey Knights and solving major balance problems like transporter spam while adding new, interesting features and depth.

Apparently, my group is just doing it wrong because we've found none of that to be true.

 Platuan4th wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:


6th breathed fresh life into 40k, finally nerfing those dreaded Grey Knights and solving major balance problems like transporter spam while adding new, interesting features and depth.

Apparently, my group is just doing it wrong because we've found none of that to be true.

Please don't feed the trolls. Let's stay on topic. The topic its Warriors of Chaos. I don't care about 6th edition 40k and it breathing life back into your game. I'm more interested in what is being released next month for my chaos army.

I can see myself getting a box or two of each type of cavalry. I'm just hoping the final version of the army book gets released soon.

This is great guys! thank you for sharing! I know a lot of fantasy guys will be stoked!

Hellstriders of Slaanesh (5 Fig Box) $33.00

Liking the sound of this!

Fingers crossed for different looking mauraders. They dont quite fit the Slaanesh theme I am going for.

Chosen are $9ea!!!!

Why on earth would anyone use those models now other than as characters or unit champions?

That makes them more than twice the price of any of the elite plastic infantry which are already way expensive.

This release is just bad. Only 3 new sets, and a crap ton of price hikes for the nightmare that is finecast.