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Haven't seen anyone post this yet.

3d tile terrain, it looks pretty nice. I'm looking to create a few Super Dungeon Explore Sections (as they don't have to be too complex).

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/431443045/legendary-realms-terrain-themed-rooms

I dunno... building entire board sections out of little 2x1 and 1x1 squares? Seems like a lot of busywork to me.

The majority of the tiles look nearly identical to the Hirst Arts stuff (some of them are identical as i have cast a few of the sections shown in that video).

Are they affiliated with Hirst?

I didn't see any mention on their KS page or website regarding Hirst Arts.
I've always wanted to build my own set of modular dungeon tiles, but I just don't have the space to work on such a project while working on my other modeling and painting. That's the nice thing about casting stuff with Hirst molds, you can do other stuff at the same time as long as you have the space.

Interesting on the Hirst Arts.
I don't think they are the same, but I saw an entire Space Hulk Board done in this (It was spectacular!) at Australian Games Day.

The floor molds look great though...


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I dunno... building entire board sections out of little 2x1 and 1x1 squares? Seems like a lot of busywork to me.

There are also 2*3 sections and corridors. But I do get your point.
As for making a SDE section in 3d... do you know of a better option (putting it on a 12x12 hard plastic sheet so that it is permanent). I am hoping to create 4 of these things to use in games... and they could also be used in D&D

I bought a few of the Hirst molds, and after reproducing them 40 or so times each I can tell ya the tiles/walls used in that video are identical to several of the Hirst molds.

They are perfect for making SDE boards as thats what I used mine for, The above stuff would make for a perfect application as well.

Just seems wierd to me to produce something identical to another artist with no mention of them.

Thanks for the update Rakear... I might look at the site. I don't want to buy a kickstarter that is ripping off another company.

As for the SDE board... any pics!!

Hirst allows you to sell the stuff you make with his molds, you just have to credit him. He just doesnt allow you to reproduce his molds.

Looking at a couple of the tiles in the picture they look like someone took a hirst mold and shaved a few corners here and there to alter the tiles slightly.

I dunno, these could all be hand done, or even just a modified tile based on a hirst mold. Just pointing out how the tiles in the video are far too identical.




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This is what ive done with the Hirst stuff (tho this is plaster, the Legendary stuff would be resin/plastic)

That's amazing work

I think I might go with Hirst (been thinking about it for a while) but might PM the Kickstarter guy just in case. He says that he is making molds... so I thought that would imply not Hirst...

From Hirst Arts:



From LRHobbies:



Not a single mention of Hirst Arts on their site that I could see. Mr. Hirst will be notified.

He's added an FAQ about Hirst

"We use a combination of Hirst Arts and our own scultings.

Some have noticed the similarity of some of our pieces to Hirst Arts terrain and that is because we are a licensed reseller of Hirst Arts terrain. We use a combination of Hirst Arts pieces and our own sculptor. We use Hirst Arts blocks to build larger pieces, then create molds to cast the modular pieces as a single terrain piece. We use our own artists to sculpt accessories and other pieces that Hirst does not have to create an entire terrain assortment. For example, within the Throne Room set the 4" circular piece, throne, round columns, and small dwarven door are our own design."




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Added about 30 minutes ago, mind you.

Glad they covered this.
I was just thinking that they cannot be exactly hirst (as they don't do any 2x3 floor tiles).

In 2 minds about this.
But I think I might stay in for the moment.


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I got a personal email from Richard which I thought was helpful (extract as it will not let me copy/pasta!)

"we use a combination. We are a licensed reseller of Hirst Terrain and use is base blocks to create our larger molds for the modular terrain. We are listed on the Hirst Arts site as a reseller."

"Our only restriction is that we cannot resell the molds themselves"

While I am a big supporter of the entrepreneurial spirit and new mini- companies...I am not sure what these guys are offering?

There are already a lot of companies making very similar items...

Are they making larger room sized tiles? (that is not as common).
Now, if they are making larger tiles...well, that would be something new. I could see someone wanting a 6"x6" or a 12" x 12" tile.(out of resin...plaster, even dental plaster would need reinforcement).

perhaps my perspective is way off - as I already cast hirst arts stuff and make my own terrain. I am also already familiar with all the other companies that make similar products.

Regardless, I salute their ambition and wish them success...this may just be one kickstarter I will pass on.

They are offered pre cast tiles in sets. Hirst makes/offers the molds specifically, and the proscribed use of them is with plaster.
Legendary is offering their tiles done in a resin/plastic in pre done kits. Resin destroys the molds eventually, so they have to replace/remake them eventually.

Not a bad deal really, saves time and purchasing molds if thats your thing. Most people i know who shop Hirst like casting/making their owns stuff.

Ok, I guess I can see that part.

Perhaps I was focusing too much on the other accessories (which if you look on ebay, can find tons of ).

I do think that larger tiles (i.e. 6x6 at least) would have even more appeal for terrain builders.

I do agree that not everyone who likes to make 3d terrain is into casting...

 Makaleth wrote:
Interesting on the Hirst Arts.
I don't think they are the same, but I saw an entire Space Hulk Board done in this (It was spectacular!) at Australian Games Day.

The floor molds look great though...


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I dunno... building entire board sections out of little 2x1 and 1x1 squares? Seems like a lot of busywork to me.

There are also 2*3 sections and corridors. But I do get your point.
As for making a SDE section in 3d... do you know of a better option (putting it on a 12x12 hard plastic sheet so that it is permanent). I am hoping to create 4 of these things to use in games... and they could also be used in D&D

Styro board, and using your wire cutters and X acto knives for the engraving.

Hobby paint, sand, and lichen for the love.

I've done both, one for the caves, one for the space hulk.... er space ship interior.

 Grot 6 wrote:

Styro board, and using your wire cutters and X acto knives for the engraving.

Hobby paint, sand, and lichen for the love.

I've done both, one for the caves, one for the space hulk.... er space ship interior.

That does sound pretty good, but I must admit that I LOVE the cave tiles and walls these guys are making. As for the molds compared to pre-cast, that's essentially the choice I am finding my self left at after all this discussion...

IE
1) Kickstarter (and get 2 rooms)... little work... but more expensive and cannot expand
2) Hirst and get 2 tile sets... much more work... but cheaper and can make HEAPS!!

To be honest, not an easy choice... if the price point on the pre-cast stuff was lower, it would be a no brainer for me (to at least start off)

But... you already have the board pieces?

The choice is to buy the molds, and make as many as you want to. ( Hirst Molds, Hirst product.)

After looking over both sites, I don't see this KS project as original at all.
Salute them on trying to make a kickstarter, but they are skirting some dangerous territory there.

I don't like that answer, either."we're licensed to sell this..." Seriously?

The products are the same, all they did was to add a couple of extra snacks just to sophise a new product.


bad form, bad indeed.


I don't even have the words to describe what brass this takes to do. Even on a good day, I should throw an off handed remark out there, but this is just... that bad in form, as to not even Want to say anything other then this stuff is an exact copy of stuff you can get making yourself with the molds.


I want the molds, before Mr KickStarter here ruins the deal for the rest of us.


Order is going in later today.

HBMC: I have the tiles. I have been looking at 3d terrain for some time (and didn't realize it could be had for $30). Yes, the tiles are good, but for SDE I could make this REALLY easily and it would look amazing (I have plans to play this with non gamers... so I want something to show off)

Grot 6: Hirst actually allows this and covers this on their site. They are more than happy for people to sell their product cast up (you need a license if above $1000) but what you cannot do is sell the molds.

Perfectly legitimate way of doing this. Hirst do not cast this stuff for the customer... so someone else is. No harm no foul here (even by Hirst own words).

Well it wouldn't be a Kickstarter if Grot didn't have something to whine about.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well it wouldn't be a Kickstarter if Grot didn't have something to whine about.

Really?

How again is it whining there, sport?

I read over the site. Reread it again, and its right there in black and white... and green.

http://www.hirstarts.com/legal/legal.html

This particular Kickstarter is doing exactly what he said he didn't want to see. No big deal, it ain't MY kickstarter. Sell all you want, I won't be buying it, I'm getting my own molds before someone screws the pooch on the whol deal.

I have no dog in the fight, so do what thau whilt.



Not that it matters, as long as I have something to whine about.....

 Grot 6 wrote:
I read over the site. Reread it again, and its right there in black and white... and green.

http://www.hirstarts.com/legal/legal.html

This particular Kickstarter is doing exactly what he said he didn't want to see.

It says he doesn't want to see people selling the blocks en masse without permission. If he has permission, the problem disappears.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
I read over the site. Reread it again, and its right there in black and white... and green.

http://www.hirstarts.com/legal/legal.html

This particular Kickstarter is doing exactly what he said he didn't want to see.

It says he doesn't want to see people selling the blocks en masse without permission. If he has permission, the problem disappears.

No dog in the fight. I don't care what "He" does. I have my order for my first five molds.


I'll be casting my own stuff and making a few of those boards, I am either looking to make a few 1X1 tiles, based around the SDE boards, and adding in a couple of based blocks with some of the hallways and dungeon stuff.

In looking over that picture as an example, what sort of plaster do you use to cast this stuff? (Does any one type work better then another?)

Is there any way of casting this in resin?

In my past work with plaster, there was a slight amount of shrinkage, and warping on the bottom part of the model, do you have to add in a bit more paster, and sand the bottoms down with a sand block, or does that matter, seeing it pushed down into the resin "water", with the rockline around the board

Do you coat it before you build the board, or after the board is completed?

My other dungeon stuff is styro blocks of around 2X2, and then I used some of that kiddie paint from the local hobby shops to paint it with, added in the glue, sanded it, and put in the lichen.

Can I do the same thing with the plaster blocks and dungeon stuff?

And lastly- In that picture, what type of base material did you use to make those sections? Did the boards warp, after the resin set, and dried?


As to the continued pushing on this subject. I already said my thing, I added in a couple of examples as to how I saw it, If this other cat has the permission, good for them, I'm happy. Hope they make a bunch of bank, and it goes well. HOWEVER- The parts being used here are the Hirst plaster parts. The KS didn't say that they were, until down in the questions section, where it was specific about the "Hirst Parts." The KS claimed that they were original sculpts and that there was a bunch of other meally mouthed stuff in there leading the casual observer to think that the particular KS project was original. If I see it as "Wierd"... that is what your average observer who looks in a little deeper thinks as well. I'm not trying to be a here, trying to start something. It honestly looks wierd.

If some cats want to see that as whining, thats not the intent. Want to keep on harping a nonpoint, thats fine too. Point here is that there was no agknowledgement of the Hirst stuff in the opening of the KS, nor anywhere in the front page pitch. They outright stated right there in the KS that they came up and "Designed" that stuff.

I got my molds coming, so I could really care less.

My thing is that looks wierd not to mention it, that is all.

I re-made the entire warhammer quest board + the one off white dwarf sections with hirst arts. Looks great. very easy. just used latex house paint and varnished.

 Orinoco wrote:
I re-made the entire warhammer quest board + the one off white dwarf sections with hirst arts. Looks great. very easy. just used latex house paint and varnished.

Sounds epic !! I would love to see pics if you have any to share ...

 Myrthe wrote:

 Orinoco wrote:
I re-made the entire warhammer quest board + the one off white dwarf sections with hirst arts. Looks great. very easy. just used latex house paint and varnished.

Sounds epic !! I would love to see pics if you have any to share ...

THIS!! +1!

Mr. Hirst confirmed that he is licensed, however the main site(not the KS) still does not mention Hirst at all.

 Aerethan wrote:
Mr. Hirst confirmed that he is licensed, however the main site(not the KS) still does not mention Hirst at all.

That is a shame.
I think I am going direct to HIrst by the looks of it. Shipping cost for the molds is MUCH cheaper than the kickstarter (and I only need 3 molds total for what I am planning)

 Makaleth wrote:

 Aerethan wrote:
Mr. Hirst confirmed that he is licensed, however the main site(not the KS) still does not mention Hirst at all.

That is a shame.
I think I am going direct to HIrst by the looks of it. Shipping cost for the molds is MUCH cheaper than the kickstarter (and I only need 3 molds total for what I am planning)

I had a number of molds a few years back(had to sell them sadly as I was broke at the time). They are 100% awesome. Once my financial life stabilizes a bit I plan on buying about $800 worth of molds to start up a home terrain collection as well as a modular 4x4 Mordheim table.

The amount of use you get out of that $34 is amazing. And if you have a few molds you can do decent sizes batches at once to break the tedium of casting a single mold 80 times.

Now that I think about it, liquid green stuff would probably work quite well at filling in small air bubbles in casts.