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 Yodhrin wrote:

They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset.

And thats absolutely what they should be doing. I think I'm one of the only people on the planet that was irritated that CMoN buckled to the pressure from the Zombicide backers and allowed them to pick up the Zombicide Wrath of Kings models without picking up a Wrath of Kings starter box. Making exclusives or special editions for previous products and attaching them to your new product is the absolute best way to drive people that may have not been previously interested in your game into checking it out.

I mean, Mierce made it pretty explicit that this KS was for the ruleset. There just happen to be a few new models being produced in conjuction with it. If they want their ruleset to be viable in the future, they have to push it now and not make their absolutely stunning miniatures simply an alternative model set to use in WHFB.

I completely understand where you don't like it, I just simply disagree that there's anything at all wrong with it. In fact, I think it's the right thing for them to do.

I agree too

this KS was mainly to get the full rulebook out in saleable form

the minis are a major bonus on top

The are probably sacrificing some cash from folk who will pass as the mini only level is without the freebies but in the long term it's probably good for the game overall

and if things go well enough we might get the book expanded with more cool art & background (though this is not certain and either a special version at additional cost or a background book are equally possible)

I would pledge for the rules if I could get a faction specific pledge level. The gap between 80 and 700 is just too huge.

I know they have said later they would add more pledge levels, but I would really like to see a pledge level for the new sculpts for one faction.

I'm in for the rulebook. If you are interested in specific minis let me know and we can work out the details. I would be up for getting a bunch sent to me and then redirecting.

Anyone getting these miniatures might as well get a rulebook - many of these things aren't really going to work well in any other system... they're too big!

But they'd make great boss fights for a DnD campaign.

I'm using the Gorgonares as unit-filler for Gamezone Dark Elf regiments for my Cult of Set

 JudgeShamgar wrote:
I would pledge for the rules if I could get a faction specific pledge level. The gap between 80 and 700 is just too huge.

I know they have said later they would add more pledge levels, but I would really like to see a pledge level for the new sculpts for one faction.

You can just build your own pledge levels from existing ones though, since the other pledge levels are basically just add-ons that are eligible for stretch goals.

This is a game I would love to see a Twilight Knight for! The art style and sculpt of Mierce lines are unreal!

Just got my Troll starter in the mail from KS1 (To add to my Angelcynn starter, Tarvax starter and Sronax starter...).
The trolls are phenomenal, just incredible detail and texture on the skin. I'll be picking up anything Mr. Carrasco does for the line in the future.

Kjartan is...adequate. Vague detail on the face in particular and elsewhere. James van Schaik continues to be the least impressive sculptor that Mierce use, although Kjartan isn't the Melusine gong show by any means.

Eirik is phenomenal and shows the sort of detail that is possible at this scale.

I'm wavering over getting yet another starter from KS1 while I still can. I've decided that I need to pick two factions and stick with them as much as possible for KS2 otherwise I'll be spending $500+ just on the characters I want!

 plastictrees wrote:
Just got my Troll starter in the mail from KS1 (To add to my Angelcynn starter, Tarvax starter and Sronax starter...).
The trolls are phenomenal, just incredible detail and texture on the skin. I'll be picking up anything Mr. Carrasco does for the line in the future.

Kjartan is...adequate. Vague detail on the face in particular and elsewhere. James van Schaik continues to be the least impressive sculptor that Mierce use, although Kjartan isn't the Melusine gong show by any means.

Eirik is phenomenal and shows the sort of detail that is possible at this scale.

I'm wavering over getting yet another starter from KS1 while I still can. I've decided that I need to pick two factions and stick with them as much as possible for KS2 otherwise I'll be spending $500+ just on the characters I want!

Yeah I know that feeling. I started out liking the Fomoraic, KS1 sold me the Angelcynn, Brythoniaid were quickly next and now this KS is drawing me into the Albainn. Also, that Centurion. Hmmmm. Thankfully, they aren't doing the Atalantes yet...

Luckily the Albainn's "hobo geologist" look isn't really working for me at the moment. I've also firmly decided against the Kthones and the Ysians (with some pain, as Drunes are my Confrontation army of choice....these are just too beefy). But everything else is still kicking my wallet around.

Wow we can still get KS1 stuff at discount? I think I'll get the stuff I resisted at the time.

Really kicking myself for missing out on the first! SHARPEN YOUR CLAWS would be perfect for what I want...... Damn my indecisiveness!

 cincydooley wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

They're not just using the KS campaign to fund the production of the rules and expanded range of models, they're using a rewards structure designed specifically to push their ruleset.

And thats absolutely what they should be doing. I think I'm one of the only people on the planet that was irritated that CMoN buckled to the pressure from the Zombicide backers and allowed them to pick up the Zombicide Wrath of Kings models without picking up a Wrath of Kings starter box. Making exclusives or special editions for previous products and attaching them to your new product is the absolute best way to drive people that may have not been previously interested in your game into checking it out.

I mean, Mierce made it pretty explicit that this KS was for the ruleset. There just happen to be a few new models being produced in conjuction with it. If they want their ruleset to be viable in the future, they have to push it now and not make their absolutely stunning miniatures simply an alternative model set to use in WHFB.

I completely understand where you don't like it, I just simply disagree that there's anything at all wrong with it. In fact, I think it's the right thing for them to do.

You'll note that I actually specifically mentioned that there is nothing wrong with it, and that it is their right, I was merely explaining the reasons why I was choosing not to back a KS which I had previously been planning to invest heavily in. Personally I've always taken the stance that carrot is better than stick; Mierce's offerings are stylistically unique enough that I think their ruleset will achieve its maximum potential market penetration regardless of whether or not they use artificial strategies during the KS to attempt to increase that proliferation, I feel they'd get more mileage from encouraging the spread of their lovely miniatures as far and wide as they possibly can, but I'm obviously biased.

Just to clarify, you're objecting to the fact that all stretch eligible pledge levels include the rulebook?

 razormage wrote:

JWBS wrote:
Isn't Aradae the Shaggoth equivalent? I really like the Shaggoth, it comes from an era when GW could claim to be the Ferrari of toy soldiers with something resembling a straight face. I think the Aradae is a lot bigger though, and made with proper resin.

D'oh, and to think I went and based up a unit of them to just use as generic massive Dragon Ogres...

Wow, that's really good work!

 plastictrees wrote:
Just to clarify, you're objecting to the fact that all stretch eligible pledge levels include the rulebook?

Or that you have to buy the rulebook to be eligible for stretch bonuses.

That's what I don't like anyway. I'll buy and paint their minis, as I did in their first KS and as I did when they were Bane legions. I'll never play a Darklands skirmish game.

JWBS wrote:

 plastictrees wrote:
Just to clarify, you're objecting to the fact that all stretch eligible pledge levels include the rulebook?

Or that you have to buy the rulebook to be eligible for stretch bonuses.

That's what I don't like anyway. I'll buy and paint their minis, as I did in their first KS and as I did when they were Bane legions. I'll never play a Darklands skirmish game.

Exactly what I am doing as well.
Small price to pay for entry into the KS really

Never?

That's long, long time!

Yeah, You have to get the actual product being KSed if you want to be eligible for stretch goals and/or freebies.

Shocking, right?

Honestly, I wish KS would make it policy that all pledges that receive something must include the primary focus product of the KS.

Kickstarter doesn't need any more arbitrary policies- it's already hard enough to navigate. "No more than 10 of a reward" "No existing products" etc... they're often wanting to have their cake and eat it too regarding not being a store, yet being a platform made to basically sell stuff

"No existing products" is never followed 100% anyway.

The encounter hosts in this KS are almost entirely made up of KS1 figures.

But that's exactly my point- they already have rules that are pretty arbitrary and randomly enforced, they don't need one that's even moreso such as "pledges that receive something must include the primary focus product of the KS".

I dunno, I think that's one policy that would be more justified and a lot less arbitrary, as it would place the focus of the projects on the item that they're actually trying to fund.

And with gaming ones in particular, it would make it much easier for the companies to respond when people complain that they only want exclusives or add ons but don't want the primary product.

I'm with RiTides - LESS is MORE here.

Seriously!

Well....um...you're both wrong

I love that response, cincy

I could see your point if Kickstarter had a track record of enforcing their rules fairly and evenly across the board, but they are far from that . So it is better that they just stay out of the picture regarding "optional" things like that, unless they bring on more staff to police things better.

I really would like a more structured environment, but their primary focus should be on vetting dangerous projects imo, which they are doing a poor job of, rather than on enforcing policies that don't really matter in the end. It's a wild wild west at the moment still, but what they need to do is work more on keeping an eye out for bad apple campaigns, rather than non-essential (imo) policies like that which would take a lot of effort to enforce fairly.

Oh, I don't disagree. I think it's just been tiresome lately to see people complaining that they have to pledge for the primary product. And honestly, I'm not even really directing this at plastictrees, but rather all the bitching and moaning that went on with both the Warmachine Tactics and Wrath of Kings campaigns.

Which is good, because I'm not complaining about having to buy the rulebook at all...