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I'm pricing out a possible Slaanesh army for an upcoming escalation league, and at my higher army sizes I'm adding a sorcerer in Terminator armor. I'm considering his weapon loadout, and since he's going to be ML3, I think actually having a ranged weapon is sort of redundant, so I'm thinking of giving him the following:

Force Weapon (Staff), Power Weapon (Sword). My thinking is as follows: most of the enemies that he is likely to step up against that have more than one wound are likely to have an invulnerable save anyways, so the AP3 on a Force Weapon is largely pointless. Instead, by taking two (non-unwieldly) melee weapons I increase the number of attacks he gets and can either increase the chance to cause a wound (with the +2S from the staff) or take advantage of the AP3 of the standard power sword against one-wound models in 3+ armor.

Are there any major flaws that I'm missing with this idea? I understand that he'll have a problem dealing with other TEQ's, but there will be other parts of the army in place to cover that (plasma, some power axes).

Thanks, all.

Seems like a decent idea, although his Force Weapon will be the poorer AP value. And normally you want to cause at least one unsaved wound. I'd make the FW the Sword and give him a Staff as the Power Weapon.

murder sword instead of a pw it's only another 20 points and absolutely hateful against most hq choices. I would also stay unmarked and just roll biomancy 3 times.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Seems like a decent idea, although his Force Weapon will be the poorer AP value. And normally you want to cause at least one unsaved wound. I'd make the FW the Sword and give him a Staff as the Power Weapon.

Ran into a chaos player in one of my leagues who owns the sorcerer model, Are they allowed to take any force weapon now? or is is just staff and sword? can they take a force ax?

Also this should be clearly modeled if that is the case right?

Unless the entry says it must be one of a limited list of options, then there are no restrictions as to which form the generic force weapon can take.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Unless the entry says it must be one of a limited list of options, then there are no restrictions as to which form the generic force weapon can take.

So yes a sorc can take an AX but to be proper it should be modeled with one then. Mk figured that was the case when i was playing with the character and I asked "do you have any ap1 or 2 weaponry in this list and he initally said no other than obliterators and then it changed once my mega-armored warboss charged him and declared a challenge and he said "oh i have a power ax" and i raised a brow looking at the model and immediately said "... pretty sure since you don't have a list I am going to have to hold you to your initial answer of no as well as since it isn't modeled with an ax that just seems... a little situational to me."

Well duh, its in the rules that the model must actually have the weapon in question modelled. So if you say he has a Force Axe he better have a Axe, or one of the multiple weapons that falls into the Axe catagory(Halberd, Polearm, etc...)

The same with Mauls and Lances and Swords.

And the weapon choice should be noted in the army list as well to prevent swapping models or equipment during the game.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Well duh, its in the rules that the model must actually have the weapon in question modelled. So if you say he has a Force Axe he better have a Axe, or one of the multiple weapons that falls into the Axe catagory(Halberd, Polearm, etc...)

The same with Mauls and Lances and Swords.

And the weapon choice should be noted in the army list as well to prevent swapping models or equipment during the game.

It's required in our league, this guy is ... well bluntly put a shady character that no one enjoys playing. He is the type to make in game changes which i think he did cause he had no idea he would be fighting my mega-boss before the store paired us up in the first place. And normally I am a nice guy and don't require it to be modeled but this was a clear advantage being made in the spur of the moment, if approached with the request to say "I know you see a Staff but it's really an force ax" when we were starting that would have been all i needed since I asked ahead of time the very question.

We are at low points 450 atm, so I run a jerky list of a looted wagon, 1 mega warboss, and a bunch of foot nobz with the warboss upfront since he can absorb all the gunfire with his 2+ armor and throw a LOS sir at strength10 if need be.

There is actually a stock model for a sorcerer with a force axe, or at least there was.

Its not exactly a hard conversion either.

all the unit options I can think of right now that have access to a power sword, also have access to a lightning claw for the same cost. I'm not sure why anyone would take the sword over the LC, but i see alot of people talking about taking swords... Obviously there is no force LC, but I like the force axe/ LC combo for utility.

I'd go with Force Sword and Power Fist. You lose the attack, but then you get the ability to Instant Death just about everything, even if you need to switch to AP2.

Hey guys, keep the Sorcerer as cheap as possible. A force sword should be enough. He's not a cc monster anyway. However, he should be able to take out a pf wielding Sergeant. You cant expect more.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Hey guys, keep the Sorcerer as cheap as possible. A force sword should be enough. He's not a cc monster anyway. However, he should be able to take out a pf wielding Sergeant. You cant expect more.

I concur, tho a powerfist + force sword combo scares me until i realize my boss still doesn't respect it

The reason I was thinking "Sword" over "Lightning Claw" is because a claw is a Specialist Weapon, and doesn't grant the +1 attack. My goal with this sort of build is to maximize the number of attacks while also creating flexibility depending on what sort of enemy the guy is facing. I can't simply give him a CCW because he's in Terminator Armor.

I also plan to keep him marked because 1: it's a Slaanesh army, 2: I want him able to get Symphony to support the Noise Marines in the army and 3: the +1 Init should keep any Space Marine Sgts from getting any lucky simultaneous kills, amongst other problems. The exact points costs are not critical, as I've got room in the list to play around with right now.

Also... please assume that, yes, I will be following the rules for modeling it correctly. If I was in the wrong kind of mood, I'd take it as an insult that y'all kind of assumed that sort of talk was needed, but I'll let it pass for now.

 Magc8Ball wrote:
The reason I was thinking "Sword" over "Lightning Claw" is because a claw is a Specialist Weapon, and doesn't grant the +1 attack. My goal with this sort of build is to maximize the number of attacks while also creating flexibility depending on what sort of enemy the guy is facing. I can't simply give him a CCW because he's in Terminator Armor.

I also plan to keep him marked because 1: it's a Slaanesh army, 2: I want him able to get Symphony to support the Noise Marines in the army and 3: the +1 Init should keep any Space Marine Sgts from getting any lucky simultaneous kills, amongst other problems. The exact points costs are not critical, as I've got room in the list to play around with right now.

Also... please assume that, yes, I will be following the rules for modeling it correctly. If I was in the wrong kind of mood, I'd take it as an insult that y'all kind of assumed that sort of talk was needed, but I'll let it pass for now.

hey man you can put down soda cans long as you tell me what it is, but if i ask a simple question and get a different answer in game i revert to rulebook if you had no army list to back it up and say the most logical conclusion that comes to mind. Nothing personal just saying that if I ask if anything in your army cuts 2+ armor and you say "just my obliterators" i start getting pissy when you say your sorcerer who just accepted my challenge is modeled with a staff and you say force ax and again no army list to confirm this since your list must be made before we are even set up as enemies.... yeah i call cheating at that point

otherwise you sound perfectly fine... just don't follow the example above and don't lie or change as we play is my only requirements