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I've been reading the new Chaos Space marine codex, but now I'm confused. The Deamon prince is listed as having - for a savings throw. I assume if I take the power armor upgrade he'll have a save of 3+ but what is a Deamon prince's save without upgrades?

The Daemon USR gives him a 5+ invuln and Fear.

That's what I thought. Thank you.

So you'd better take that power armour or he'll be gunned down quite quickly with his toughness 5 and 4 wounds.

And the already knocked the price up 145 points starting. I still like the DP as an HQ though.

So not worth the points now :(

My DP's will on the sideline just in case I get a lucky roll on the Boon Table.

40k-noob wrote:
So not worth the points now :(

My DP's will on the sideline just in case I get a lucky roll on the Boon Table.

Yeah, only thing exciting about a DP is that there's a slim chance that one can replace a Cultist Champion and really annoy an opponent

After seeing one in action today I'm quite impressed. It was DPoN with the hammer, Psyker mastery lv 3. THing was like 320 pts ish and only died to rolling god aweful. Far too many 1s for D weapon, and failing of invuls/FnP.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
After seeing one in action today I'm quite impressed. It was DPoN with the hammer, Psyker mastery lv 3. THing was like 320 pts ish and only died to rolling god aweful. Far too many 1s for D weapon, and failing of invuls/FnP.

It cannot get FNP, not without a boon

nosferatu1001 wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
After seeing one in action today I'm quite impressed. It was DPoN with the hammer, Psyker mastery lv 3. THing was like 320 pts ish and only died to rolling god aweful. Far too many 1s for D weapon, and failing of invuls/FnP.

It cannot get FNP, not without a boon

Or the Endurance power from the Biomancy discipline.

True enough, I was just making sure of how.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
After seeing one in action today I'm quite impressed. It was DPoN with the hammer, Psyker mastery lv 3. THing was like 320 pts ish and only died to rolling god aweful. Far too many 1s for D weapon, and failing of invuls/FnP.

What Daemon Weapon?

It can take the Black Mace or the Murder Sword.

Murder Sword isn't a Daemon weapon, but I asked because he mentions "Hammer" so I was wondering what that was.

Ah yeah, my bad, was thinking of Chaos Artefact weapons in general. So that leaves the Black Mace then.

Slightly off-topic, can someone please point out pages that allow a DP (not one that is the result of a boon) of Khorne has access to Wargear restricted to models with the Mark of Khorne only?

i ask only because I've seen it come up a few times.

Even Daemon Princes gained through Dark Apotheosis don't have their Marks anymore. Not to mention they lose all their old wargear. So no, there's no possible way a Daemon Prince has access to any gear that requires a Mark.

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
After seeing one in action today I'm quite impressed. It was DPoN with the hammer, Psyker mastery lv 3. THing was like 320 pts ish and only died to rolling god aweful. Far too many 1s for D weapon, and failing of invuls/FnP.

Good thing too, since he doesn't have Feel No Pain.

 Redemption wrote:
Even Daemon Princes gained through Dark Apotheosis don't have their Marks anymore. Not to mention they lose all their old wargear. So no, there's no possible way a Daemon Prince has access to any gear that requires a Mark.

The Blinding axe however will probably be FAQed to be allowed for a DPoK to wield it... since it gives rage and all the models with the MoK already have it except the DP, would be the only logical explanation for adding it, so that a DPoK could benefit from rage

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
After seeing one in action today I'm quite impressed. It was DPoN with the hammer, Psyker mastery lv 3. THing was like 320 pts ish and only died to rolling god aweful. Far too many 1s for D weapon, and failing of invuls/FnP.

Good thing too, since he doesn't have Feel No Pain.

If Endurance is cast on him he does.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:

jdjamesdean@mail.com wrote:
After seeing one in action today I'm quite impressed. It was DPoN with the hammer, Psyker mastery lv 3. THing was like 320 pts ish and only died to rolling god aweful. Far too many 1s for D weapon, and failing of invuls/FnP.

Good thing too, since he doesn't have Feel No Pain.

yay Psy mastery lv 3. no need to jump to conclusions he had FnP

40k-noob wrote:
So not worth the points now :(

My DP's will on the sideline just in case I get a lucky roll on the Boon Table.

I wouldn't say not worth the points since initiative and WS are both increased considerably... Played a game last night and my DP of Khorne with Black Mace was quite astounding, even at 285 points... He carved stuff up nicely to the point my opponent threw everything at him giving the rest of my army free rein...

Combat wasnt really where DP died - it was to shooting. Even autocannons wound them on 2+, meaning a lot of potential armour saves

Took me until post 5 before I realised this thread is about CSM and not daemons.
Probably the one thing that every CSM player does poorly is refer to their army correctly.
[/petpeeve]

psyklone wrote:
Took me until post 5 before I realised this thread is about CSM and not daemons.
Probably the one thing that every CSM player does poorly is refer to their army correctly.
[/petpeeve]

I mean in the OP the proper codex is stated.