Troll Forged Kickstarter - Assimilation Alien Host - Dreadnought masters page 26

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**Color Sgt. Kell**

Very nice! I'd like to see some tyranid proxies, maybe even nurgle on one of them.

**RiTides**

Lansirill wrote:
Thanks for that link. Should make it a little easier to figure out what to pledge, although it looks like I'm still probably better off going full a la carte since I'm mainly interested in the big stuff. Hosts might be nice for some Nurgle conversions though. Time to go play with Excel.

If you pledge for Host you get WAY more than $50 worth. So, it's definitely worth doing that, and making swaps, rather than going a la carte. As soon as we hit 30K it will get each of the decently sized bugs (Queen, Flyer, Wyrm, Fiend). It won't have the Drone or Overlord, but those are just going to be gigantic, and have to be added on (or will be included in Queen level at 36K).

Alpharius wrote:
OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Have a look here

http://trollforged.wordpress.com/kickstarter-stretch-goal-table/

I don't see any 'trade in (x) for (y) credit' details on there - unless I'm missing it?

It is mostly dollar value. So, if you trade in something worth X dollars, you have X dollars to spend on other models.

**DaveC**

The trade details seem to be kept very vague but Ed has said you can trade whatever you like and he'll sort it out afterwards the only limit being that you can only use 1 host pledge level to trade items from no matter how many you pledge for this is to stop people abusing the host level trade in when it gets to be really good value so for example you pledge for 3 host levels and get 3 Queens (1 in each) you can only trade out 1 for credit you must keep the other 2 same for the grubs 3 pledge levels worth is 39 grubs but you can only trade out 13 and must keep the other 26. All other pledge levels can trade as they like including where they have multiple pledge levels eg. Queen plus Host pledged for you can trade from both.

To work out how much your trade is worth look at the Add on column on the Trollforge link above that's the current value of 1 of that item and that's how much credit you will get to spend on something else if you trade it in so trade 10 grubs get $1x10 worth of credit. As far and I know the trade for in credit must be spent on something else you can't just trade an item in in order to reduce the cost of your pledge below the pledge level cost.

I my case I have pledged Swarm level $110 but will be trading in 15 Grubs for $1x15 credit and I'll trade the Fiend (nearly unlocked for swarm level) for $20 so I have $35 credit I'll use that to buy a Dreadnought $25, second flyer $6 and an "alien" alien hunter $4 so the overall cost is still $110 but I get more of what I want for my pledge and the costs to Ed are pretty much the same.

**Azazelx**

So what if you go Queen and also Host and swap out the Host stuff willy nilly while keeping the Queen intact?

**monkeytroll**

Then you end up with a gak-load of minis

**DaveC**

scipio.au wrote:
So what if you go Queen and also Host and swap out the Host stuff willy nilly while keeping the Queen intact?

That's fine you can trade all of it away if you want (for now - Ed has reserved the right to alter the Host swap again if it ends up costing him too much). Host level is currently worth $71 soon to be $91and it will be $122 by $36k but you have to spend it on something else so really you are just swapping one set of minis or for another or bases all of which have a much lower production cost for Ed anyway

**RiTides**

You can go Queen + Host and do swaps. It's only Host pledges after the first that are restricted.

But when the Huge drone and overlord art hit, you'll upgrade to Queen anyway

**Alpharius**

RiTides wrote:
You can go Queen + Host and do swaps. It's only Host pledges after the first that are restricted.

But when the Huge drone and overlord art hit, you'll upgrade to Queen anyway

That's what I'm afraid of too!

**DaveC**

Drone Art is up:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/131182444/assimilation-alien-host/posts
Drone art and updated gifts.
Update #40 · Nov. 11, 2012 · comment

Ok so got the art for the drone and very happy. He has the side transport holes to spit out grub from the thorax as well as plates for the swarm to hide behind, 2 variations shown here. I might make it just a tad sleeker but overall it's just what I wanted.

I also added the egg pack into the $27,000 goal range at $15 for 20 eggs while also giving everyone in the entire kickstarter another gift, the egg base. I'll attach a photo of the base here as well in case you forgot what the insert looked like.

Thanks again and hope we can unlock this drone, swarm master, and the overlord all in one shot, it's a big push toward the very end I know.

**RiTides**

I love it! Very praying mantis type vibe. And it's going to be Huge.

**DaveC**

New Wyrm WIP:

and Larva Swarm art

and Ed is taking a bit of a gamble that it will hit $36k to cover the cost of moving a few stretches around so that the Drone unlocks earlier - I don't think he'll have to much problem hitting the necessary $36k.

New Stretch details:

$27,000 - Swarm Adult Warrior unlocks. Add on/trade value $4. Host pledges - free Wyrm, Swarm pledges - free Fiend, Queen pledges - 5 more Warriors.
4 additional Dreadnought arms unlock - included free with any purchase of a Dreadnought.
Add on - 20 individual eggs for $15.
Anyone who orders 2 or more Trollcast base pledge sets gets 5 free bases.
Free gift to every backer - one 40mm alien base with 2 eggs on it.

$30,000 - Stealth Swarm Adult unlocks - Add on/trade value $4. Host pledges - free Fiend, Swarm pledges - 5 Swarm Warriors free, Queen pledges - 5 Stealth Swarm Adult.
Queens value for Add on/trade drops to $12
Alien Hunters can get a heavy weapon for $3
2 additional Dreadnought arms unlock - option to buy 2 Dreadnought bodies and get 1 of each weapon option for $45 - the $25 Dreadnought gets a choice of any 4 weapon arms only.

$33,000 - The Drone and Larva Swarms unlock. Larva Swarm Add on/trade value $5 each, Drone Add on/trade value $30.
Host pledges - 3 swarm Warriors free , Swarm pledges - 5 Stealth Warriors free, Queen pledges - 1 Drone and 5 Larva Swarms.
"Alien" Alien Hunters unlock - $4 each to purchase.

$36,000 - Overlord and Swarm Master unlock - Overlord Add on/trade value - $30, Swarm Master Add on/trade value $10
Host pledges - 1 Stealth Warrior and 2 swarm Warriors free , Swarm pledges - 6 Larva Swarms and 1 Swarm Master free, Queen pledges - 1 Overlord and 1 Swarm Master

**Malika2**

10k to go... Will we make it?

**Charax**

There's normally a fairly massive surge on the last day, so I think we'll break 36K. I'm considering a Queen order if I can figure out what the hell to use the models for - I have little interest in Tyranids

**Casey's Law**

I really, really hope we make it but i don't think the likelihood is actually very high.

I'm going to make my first Nurgle force with these!

**Trodax**

Casey's Law wrote:

I'm going to make my first Nurgle force with these!

I've been following this thread as a lurker, but this sounded cool so I had to register to ask about it. :-)
What minis will you be using for this Nurglish force? The hosts? Dreadnoughts?

**plastictrees**

Casey's Law wrote:
I really, really hope we make it but i don't think the likelihood is actually very high.

Red Box's Kickstarter made around $40,000 in it's last three days I think. Bit of a broader appeal to that range maybe, but still.

**DaveC**

It's currently trending to $36,576 on Kicktraq's experimental projection (and this is unable to factor in any last minute upswing) and I have yet to see a project fail to at least beat this figure 2 to 3 days out. Most miniature based KS add about 30% of their total in the last 48 hours by that reckoning if it's at $28,000 tomorrow night (48 hours) it may end up at around $40,000 by the end just based on that trend alone.

EDIT - just correct the figures used $38k instead of $28k in error.

Update - $27k done and all options at that level are now unlocked

**Casey's Law**

Trodax wrote:
Casey's Law wrote:

I'm going to make my first Nurgle force with these!

I've been following this thread as a lurker, but this sounded cool so I had to register to ask about it. :-)
What minis will you be using for this Nurglish force? The hosts? Dreadnoughts?

Glad you've joined us and i hope you stick around!
If you have a copy of the 5th edition rulebook, check out p152. I always found that story to be quite inspiring. I'd like to use as many of these models as possible to create an army of infected Imperial citizens and Imperial Guard. I have a few conversions in mind so the models won't all look the same.
I'll have models left over which i'll probably put in the bits box for a rainy day. I couldn't tell you which models i'll be using for what exactly as i haven't decided which codex i'm going to use. I might use two codex's to get more models in use. I'm so far torn between CSM, IG and CD.

As for the estimated projections on the kickstarter, i try not to get my hopes up with things i can't control.

So yeah, i'm not being cynical or anything, i just don't want to get psyched for something if it might fall through, it'd take the edge off the good stuff!

**RiTides**

I convinced him in the comments to put Drone at 33K

. I am psyched! Nice that he listens to his backers.

**Casey's Law**

Good job, Tides!

As promised, i said i'd find my 'dex and write a 'Nid list. Slight change of plan is that i'm going to give you the best options i can think of and allow you to make your own army list with my inventory.

NB. This is in no way a list of every option you have but in my opinion it's the best fits. Prices are bare bones and include no upgrades even though i'd often suggest taking some.

Spoiler:

Well that's what i came up with, it's now where near all the info but it's already taken forever to go through and type up and it'll just get more complex the more information i give you. I'm happy to answer any questions or help you work on a list. Hope this helps!

**Trodax**

Casey's Law wrote:
Glad you've joined us and i hope you stick around!
If you have a copy of the 5th edition rulebook, check out p152. I always found that story to be quite inspiring. I'd like to use as many of these models as possible to create an army of infected Imperial citizens and Imperial Guard. I have a few conversions in mind so the models won't all look the same.
I'll have models left over which i'll probably put in the bits box for a rainy day. I couldn't tell you which models i'll be using for what exactly as i haven't decided which codex i'm going to use. I might use two codex's to get more models in use. I'm so far torn between CSM, IG and CD.

Sounds fun! I really want to do something with those Host minis, and was thinking about Nurgle. I'm just getting back into 40K; can you do Tyranids with Imperial Guard allies these days?

**lastgoodbye**

I can see my tyranid fleet for BFG having some new models to source from. You have made my week I think.

**Malika2**

BFG huh? Any BFG communities where we could quickly post about this?

**RiTides**

Trodax- No allies for 'Nids in 6th edition, unfortunately.

**Trodax**

RiTides wrote:
Trodax- No allies for 'Nids in 6th edition, unfortunately.

Ah, too bad. Maybe Nurgle plague zombies then (zombies in really, really bad shape).

**Commander Cain**

Queen level is becoming far too tempting. Might have to change my pledges around although I will have to figure out how to do so whole still remaining as one of the first 200 backers'

**Malika2**

Trodax wrote:
RiTides wrote:
Trodax- No allies for 'Nids in 6th edition, unfortunately.

Ah, too bad. Maybe Nurgle plague zombies then (zombies in really, really bad shape).

That, or with some converting they would make great Obliterators and Mutilators. Perhaps they might also be fitting for a Nurgle Daemons list?

**Trodax**

Commander Cain wrote:
Queen level is becoming far too tempting. Might have to change my pledges around although I will have to figure out how to do so whole still remaining as one of the first 200 backers'

You can just change; that won't affect you being one of the first 200. I upgraded from Host to Queen myself a couple of days ago; Host is a really good deal for $50, but I'm definitely going to be wanting that Drone and Overlord so I just upgraded.
Plus, getting scenic bases for all the minis for $35 is a big bonus for Queen.

**Fenriswulf**

So I would like to pledge for the two Dreadnoughts (I know it will hit the pledge level that unlocks them) for $45, plus 1 hound miniature for $4, plus whatever International shipping is.

How do I achieve this? Do I have to pledge to a specific level and then add them on afterwards, or can I just buy them separately? If I need to pledge, is the $5 pledge a good enough buy in?

Let me know as I want two of those Dread and the hound! Cheers!

**Trodax**

Alrighty, art for the Overlord/Cthulhu is here! Three different heads allow you to choose how much Lovecraft/Alien you want. He'll be at least 6 inches tall, perhaps 8 inches... on a 120mm base... that's pretty damn big isn't it?.