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This is a two part thread. I'm looking for suggestions and advice so I'm going to leave it lean and open ended, reply if you have experience or any neat tricks.


I play Black Legion CSM / more recently have devised a nurgle list at 2k with the Tally.

PART ONE

There's a player at my store who runs a pretty competitive Tyranids list. It includes two tervigons, 3-4 full squads of 30 gants and a SwarmStar. This unit consists of a Swarmlord w/ 4 Boneswords, a Tyrant Guard and a Prime. Because the Swarmlord can roll so many powers from the Biomancy table the unit typically benefits from a majority toughness of 7-9. The swarmlord has initiative 7 or higher, str 7 or higher, etc. The painful part is that his swords either inflict Instant Death or force you to reroll invulnerable saves.

My difficulty is this. I either dump shots into the SwarmStar / Tervigons, and leave the horde unchecked to zerg me and drag me down with numbers.. or try to clear out the tervigons / Horde and the Swarm Star hits me at full steam and proceeds to wreck anything in its path.

Any good tips on how to counter this unit?




PART TWO

For anyone used to playing Nurgle / Tally lists in 5th and 6th. I'm looking for good tips and tricks to increase the Tally during Turn 1, not counting the cheesy Typhus bomb (i'm not taking him) and / or nurgling bombs etc. I'm talking straight up tactics for killing lots of enemy models early in the game.

My list is as follows, I'm open to criticism and suggestions!

HQ: 345 1999

Lord 65/180
MoN, Sigil, VotlW, BlackMace, Blight Grenades, Bike
+15 +25 +5 +45 +5 +20

Sorcerer 60/165
MoN, Sigil, ML 3, Familiar
+15 +25 +50 +15


Troops: 715

Plagues x7 168/245
2 melta, votlw, Rhino, PW
+20 +7 +35 +15

Plagues x6 144/215 (sorcerer rides here, 7 models)
2 plasma, votlw, Rhino
+30 +6 +35

Plagues x7 168/255
2 plasma, votlw, Rhino, PW
+30 +7 +35 +15


FA: 281

Heldrake 170

Bikes x3 70/111
2 melta, votlw, MoN
+20 +3 +18


Heavy: 473

Oblitz x2 140/152
MoN +12

Oblitz x2 140/152
MoN +12

Havocs x7 101/169
MoN, 4 autocannons, votlw
+21 +40 +7



Daemons: 185

Epidemius 110

Plaguebearers x5 75


345+715+281+473+185

borrow someones DE army. Shoot the swarmstar with posion, run away from the guants for the next 5 turns.

 Exergy wrote:
borrow someones DE army. Shoot the swarmstar with posion, run away from the guants for the next 5 turns.

That's a little less than helpful.

Anything you might be able to suggest within the context of the army I actually play?

Use the Epidemius list. Spend a turn or two shooting the gaunts to load up on the tally and by the time he gets to you all of your guys should have 2+ poison in close combat. If you manage to get to 20+ kills just laugh as his swarm star gets destroyed.

ThatEdGuy wrote:
Use the Epidemius list. Spend a turn or two shooting the gaunts to load up on the tally and by the time he gets to you all of your guys should have 2+ poison in close combat. If you manage to get to 20+ kills just laugh as his swarm star gets destroyed.

That's what I'm hoping for, to be honest. Blow out 20 gants in my first turns worth of shooting and then giggle because his Swarmlord doesn't get past my FnP saves, and I'll wound him on 2+ that ignores armor. He typically stretches out the gants so they all get good cover saves but I'm thinking if I use my bikes well I can get them into assault Turn 1 and rack up some quick kills. The squad might die, but they'll go down kicking and the Lord might very well kill whole swathes by forcing Toughness tests with TBM. Roll a 4, 5 and 6 within 3" and piff.. remove 10 gants.

If he's stretching the gaunts out, some are going to be out of cover. Focus fire on them to bolster your tally.

Take Huron for the automatic 1x Infiltrating infantry unit then give him 5 MoN chosen with flamer x4 and combi-flamer.

6 Templates, right?

Charge 'em. Or fine, don't... They're quite a control element for gants