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2012/11/02 17:59:43
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Maddermax wrote: Why do you guys use electronic machines anyway? Seems like its more things that can go wrong, higher chance of votes being lost due to malfunctions, more opportunities for election fraud, no paper trail or ability for a recount.... Just seems silly.
I think you answered your own question.
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2012/11/02 18:21:55
Subject: Re:This will be an election you tell your kids about
No no no...we're all to old for Kool-Aid...we drink Hater-Aid
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2012/11/02 18:24:39
Subject: Re:This will be an election you tell your kids about
Honestly, that is one of the funniest things I've seen lately. I can't decide if my favourite part is the "you're an donkey-cave" look on Gretchen Carlson's face after Christie praised Obama, or it's when Doocy tried to crank the Romney propaganda up to 11 to save the clip and only to have even that backfire so vehemently.
They are SO MAD! (and the conservative forums are totally calling Christie a traitor, etc, etc, for this)
SickSix wrote: Wow, a lot of cool aide has been consumed by some in this thread.
Anyone who believes the current President and administration is good for this country is delusional.
Hard hitting analysis right here folks.
cool aide, lol.
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Honestly, that is one of the funniest things I've seen lately. I can't decide if my favourite part is the "you're an donkey-cave" look on Gretchen Carlson's face after Christie praised Obama, or it's when Doocy tried to crank the Romney propaganda up to 11 to save the clip and only to have even that backfire so vehemently.
2012/11/02 19:20:54
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Honestly, that is one of the funniest things I've seen lately. I can't decide if my favourite part is the "you're an donkey-cave" look on Gretchen Carlson's face after Christie praised Obama, or it's when Doocy tried to crank the Romney propaganda up to 11 to save the clip and only to have even that backfire so vehemently.
"I have no idea, nor am I the least bit concerned or interested."
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2012/11/03 14:16:29
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
Chris Christie, like a pimp. He's a straight-talker when the chips are down.
Maddermax wrote: Why do you guys use electronic machines anyway? Seems like its more things that can go wrong, higher chance of votes being lost due to malfunctions, more opportunities for election fraud, no paper trail or ability for a recount.... Just seems silly. Apparently they're rushing out an experimental patch to a bunch of Ohio electronic machines this week too - sounds like just what everyone wants, rushed software on a system with no backups or paper trail in the state most likely to decide the election.
/Plus, I find it stranger still that they are apparently privately owned, but I suppose that's just a management arrangement of sorts.
There are a bunch of different kinds of machines around the country. Up here in NH we use a felt pen to black in ovals on a (heavy, cardstock) paper ballot which are then fed into an optical scanning machine.
I listened to an NPR story last night in the car debunking the Tagg Romney conspiracy theory. Other people have pointed out the tenuous chain of connection which makes it a pretty wild theory, but the comments they got from the Board of Elections official were new, AFAIK:
NPR wrote:CORNISH: All right. So what are holes here? What's wrong with the story?
KEITH: Well, let's start with the voting machines. In Ohio, there are only two counties that use machines from Hart. I called Hamilton County - it's the most populous county. And aside from one election machine in each polling place for disabled voters - and those are electronic - the county uses what's called the Hart eScan machine.
So voters actually vote on paper ballots, and then those ballots are fed into a scanner that tabulates the votes. But there is always a paper backup so that if there is a recount, there is something to count. The county bought these machines back in 2005, so way before H.I.G. ever invested in Hart InterCivic. I spoke with Sally Krisel at the Board of Elections. She says Hart isn't involved in the election in any way.
SALLY KRISEL: We do all of our own pretesting on it, maintenance, diagnostics on it. And we do all of our vote tabulation, ballot preparation. All of that is done by bipartisan teams of people here in Hamilton County.
KEITH: She told me that they opted for this paper-based system so that they could be confident in their results.
KRISEL: We feel really comfortable with this system, and that kind of makes the most recent press really disheartening because we feel good about the system that we chose and the system that we operate.
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We just got new machines in Oklahoma, but we still use paper ballots that get scanned into the machine and then stored in the ballot box. Electronic counting for instant transmission of results, physical backup of the actual paper ballots.
Best system IMO.
2012/11/03 19:04:13
Subject: Re:This will be an election you tell your kids about
Funny....I'm a paratrooper...and I'm smart enough not to jump with firecrackers anywhere on my body. More weight I have to deal with just to stumble and fall out the door of an aircraft.
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2012/11/03 20:45:35
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
"What's very unique about the way the Americans do it, it's not the process, it's the confidence that's placed in the process," she said. "This is what lacks in other countries. They say if this would happen in Arab countries it would not work the way it does in the United States."
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2012/11/06 21:22:34
Subject: This will be an election you tell your kids about
whembly wrote: But, that's probably because most of Europe don't know the challenger (Mitt).
We were unfortunately exposed to him on his tour of Europe where he then proceeded to insult pretty much everyone living here
Plus, being outside the US system of politics we can see just how insane he actually is without automatically being part of "the other colour party" and therefore automatically being the enemy
whembly wrote: But, that's probably because most of Europe don't know the challenger (Mitt).
We were unfortunately exposed to him on his tour of Europe where he then proceeded to insult pretty much everyone living here
Hmmm... maybe I'm weird, but I wouldn't consider that an insult. If you wanted an insult, we can be more... vulgar.
Plus, being outside the US system of politics we can see just how insane he actually is without automatically being part of "the other colour party" and therefore automatically being the enemy
A guy at work that moved here from Italy is getting excited to go vote in his first presidential election. Since there are so many people in my area that moved in from other countries and became citizens, I get to see our system with fresh eyes every election.
It's kind of cool, really, and reminds me that we really do have it good here.
