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So after looking around for a while and researching it seems that there is an eventual end to the Warhammer 40k universe although the people at Gamesworkshop will never end it. Based on the Lion el Johnson being revived in time for the Final Battle, Robute Guilliman being revived for i am guessing the same reason, and Leman Russ will return for the Final Battle or as the Space Wolves call it the Wolf Time. Im guessing this will be Chaos Space Marines and Daemons vs. Space Marines and the Grey Knight who are final revealed to the IoM as a whole. What do you guys think about this, also any information i am missing, i.e other primarchs being healed? Also what is happening with the other races? Maybe Orks vs Tyranids final conclusions at Octarius Empire, or the hive mind if the Orks push the Tyranids out and decide to be rid of the nids (which i think will happen). Will the Tau end up conquering the universe, and maybe Dark Eldar fighting Eldar although i haven't seen much that suggests the even hate each other. Overall what is the end result, as sort of tournament like Chaos v Space Marines winner vs Tau, Ork vs Tyranid winner, Eldar vs Dark Eldar winner, or just the winning races building their empires back then waging another ridiculously long stalemate.

Rowboat will need a bit of work done as he's currently frozen at the brink of death. The thing is we'll likely never see the ending as well as it is a setting more than a story.

The difference is simple, one goes from the start to the end the other builds up to a point, stops and starts reaching out.

The one that seems mostly likely to win though is probably the Tyranids, if it is to be believed that the amount currently in it is just a smaller first wave.

The big E will come back and all will taste his fureh! Then the nids eat everything. The end. What effect would a nid victory have on the warp, though? Do they lust and crave pleasure? If not then won't the celestial ladyboy just stop existing for example?

Slaanesh would probably be gone before that if the Eldar myth about Ynnead is to be believed.

Are nids impervious to chaos taint? Isn't it possible that chaos helped nids to become what they are in a neighboring galaxy (the ultimate galactic reset button) and now they are coming into our Milky Way galaxy to eat everything and leave out galaxy barren and devoid of life. Or maybe that makes them the anti chaos as a barren and devoid galaxy feeds no emotions or energy into the warp?

GW won't have a formal end to 40k. It will go on until it no longer becomes profitable or GW goes bankrupt/dies out, and the franchise will just sort of be left in limbo.

Yah i know that warhammer will enver truley end but its just an interesting thought.

Well, I think the reason that they made the game was for us to decide who would be the final winner... I mean that really sounds corney, but if it were based on everyone fighting, then I woud assume that what ever army is played the most would eventually win. (probably the Space Marines) Although, this wouldn't happen in the "fluff universe". Overall though, I think that I would say that the tyranids would win. Even if this fleet isn't just a preliminary force thier ability to adapt would put them at the top of this theoretical food cahin. But this all depends on your deffinition of "victory" I mean once the Nids devour everything, the eventually they will die out too, because there will be nothing to nom nom. and the universe will be lifeless. (I just depressed myself...)

Warhammer is like DEFCON. Even if somebody wins, everyone dies.

I would like to see chaos nids though...now there's an army!

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:
Are nids impervious to chaos taint? Isn't it possible that chaos helped nids to become what they are in a neighboring galaxy (the ultimate galactic reset button) and now they are coming into our Milky Way galaxy to eat everything and leave out galaxy barren and devoid of life. Or maybe that makes them the anti chaos as a barren and devoid galaxy feeds no emotions or energy into the warp?

Do the words SHADOW IN THE WARP mean anything to you?

I explored this question in a piece of fanfic I did when I was in college a few years back.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5937830/1/Time-of-Ending-the-40k-Finale
It's a long read and the fluff is a bit out of date (it's got the old necrons and a role I think would be better filled by the sanguinor is filled by something else). But it's gotten warm reviews. TV tropes recommends it and someone even briefly stole it to sell as a download.

Hell, lemme just put it in my signature

 Surtur wrote:

 TheLionOfTheForest wrote:
Are nids impervious to chaos taint? Isn't it possible that chaos helped nids to become what they are in a neighboring galaxy (the ultimate galactic reset button) and now they are coming into our Milky Way galaxy to eat everything and leave out galaxy barren and devoid of life. Or maybe that makes them the anti chaos as a barren and devoid galaxy feeds no emotions or energy into the warp?

Do the words SHADOW IN THE WARP mean anything to you?

Shadow in the warp has nothing to do with being anti- or pro-chaos. It's simply overloading a region of the warp with so much psychic communication that it becomes impossible for any creature not part of the hivemind to pass messages through the warp.

The end of 40k is the start of 41k...

Do necrons even show up on nid bio-radar, if not then necrons seem like they might end up on top merely due to they still have sleeping tomb worlds.

The Grey Knights will swallow the Warp in the Eye of Terror with a massive Slaaneshi Eldar-violating blood orgy.

I have studied the fluff and read between the lines, and know this to be the eventual fate of the galaxy.

 CuddlySquig wrote:
I explored this question in a piece of fanfic I did when I was in college a few years back.
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5937830/1/Time-of-Ending-the-40k-Finale
It's a long read and the fluff is a bit out of date (it's got the old necrons and a role I think would be better filled by the sanguinor is filled by something else). But it's gotten warm reviews. TV tropes recommends it and someone even briefly stole it to sell as a download.

I'm reading through it atm and it's pretty nice aprt from one aspect

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

I'm reading through it atm and it's pretty nice aprt from one aspect

Spoiler:

Hornet legion, really??

Eh, I'm less proud of it now than I was back then on some particulars. A few of my tastes have changed.
But if you really stop and think about the plot, it does make sense.

There may be a 'final battle' (Wolftime, Rhana Dandra, who knows) someday, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's not going to happen within the bounds of the present fluff.

Either that or it's going to go the way of Ragnorak in Norse mythology and just be grounds for a reboot of the setting.

THAT WOULD BE COOL!!! if they restart the whole game (of course still adding to warhammer 40K for those still playing it) and made the story advance think about it new races after world restart (maybe humans extinct and eldar becoming dominant and no i dont care about opposing fluff)!!

Everyone seems to forget that if an ork fights on the planet, that that planet is infested with ork spores. The only way the that Empirium has found to rid this infestation is to blow up the planet. Ork will ultimatly win Warhammer 40k. I think the Orks will not die evenafter everyone has been defeated for the simple fact that Orks are cannibles.

well i think that in the end its going to be al little less then a clear winner but i supposed there could be clear losers and a few stale mates around.
for example in a blown out war like its happening now sooner or later resources will go out and getting that new resource will be even harder to get an lose alot of resources just trying to get them.
for example
space marines sooner or later they cant be mantained more and more chapters will be lost and at the end its going to be a big one after going out.after all you cant make them all dreadnoughts.so imperial guard will have to step in more and lose more guards meanwhile sisters are going to get the same treatment like the marines unless they become a part of the guard.
tau are just going to spread out too far by lack of agression and sooner or later orks and nids come in and crap them out of their railguns.
nids are going to be soo advanced that they wouldnt know how to protect themselves from a primitive way of attacks like a lasgun(jajaja kidding)bolter with simple bullets to their toes.and they couldnt evolve and unevolve as fast.
orks will be just running around like mosquitos.eldars would be hiding in the webway.dark eldar sooner or later is going to get themselves killed and their homeplant and they would be more like orks just annoying mosquitos.
a not so clear winner would be chaos even they wouldnt know it as they would be battling themselves.after the big E dies because he will die imperial guard would be just planet based and screwed with their marines and sisters running around going tainty as chaos marine would be so screwed up they wouldnt be marines anymore just demons or something.


sorry for the rambling and not spell checking....its all crap so why bother

An idiotic apprentice of a warpsmith, manipulated by Alpharius, is going to tinker with some necron technology using chaos and lo and behold the universe suddenly implodes followed by a sudden explosion. A big crunch followed by a big bang. Thus the story is doomed to repeat itself over and over again as no matter what changes may occur within the story line, the outcome is always the same with a manipulated warpsmith apprentice doomed to tinker with necron technology and restart the Universe, again and again and again. This is Alpharius Omegon's solution to prevent the Primordial Annihilator from ever ascending and to prevent Mankind from truly ever dying. For the Emperor.

DE don't HAVE a home-planet

They lurk in the Webway, in a fething huge pocket dimension city.

Orks will win, because they are orks. Nuff said.

Lucius loses fight with nids. Lucius is ingested by the nids. Nid hive mind is pleased with absorbing bio matter that was Lucius....and whoever else. IOM SoL. CHaos does the . Eldar Tau goes up in Necrons roll

 Ascalam wrote:
DE don't HAVE a home-planet

They lurk in the Webway, in a fething huge pocket dimension city.

Orks will win, because they are orks. Nuff said.

Exactly!
DE will kill all eldar and ynnead will be born and go kill slannesh. Eldar will be reborn and will start rebuilding their empire.

Read the fanfic. Good gak. Depressing as feth. Annoying ending. Couldn't stop reading it.

In an epic battle with the fate of creation at stake, the universe implodes. The soul of the God Emperor creates the universe again from scratch. Rinse and repeat.

 King Pariah wrote:
An idiotic apprentice of a warpsmith, manipulated by Alpharius, is going to tinker with some necron technology using chaos and lo and behold the universe suddenly implodes followed by a sudden explosion. A big crunch followed by a big bang. Thus the story is doomed to repeat itself over and over again as no matter what changes may occur within the story line, the outcome is always the same with a manipulated warpsmith apprentice doomed to tinker with necron technology and restart the Universe, again and again and again. This is Alpharius Omegon's solution to prevent the Primordial Annihilator from ever ascending and to prevent Mankind from truly ever dying. For the Emperor.

That actually makes sence. For the Emperor, brother

Sorta seems like a lot of people think it's going to be the good old Alpha Legion that'll have the final say in what happens at the end of the 40k story.