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2012/10/29 16:44:55
Subject: Re:Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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jareddm wrote:There's really not that much argument amongst those in the know about the Blood Ravens being of TS lineage. The argument is whether they are literally the same marines who escaped prospero, or just happen to use TS geneseed under some forgotten Inquisition/AdMech/HLoT secret project.
Well at this point there won't be any of the original marines left alive, except possably a Dreadnought or two.
So they will mearely be descendents of the original marines, like any other chapter.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2012/10/29 21:30:58
Subject: Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Hulking Hunter-class Warmech
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Gabrial Seth wrote:Hey what do you mean the UM never took in destroyed legions into their numbers...
In The First Heretic some of the Word Bearers mention that the Ultramarines increased their numbers at about the same time the 2nd and 11th Legions were "forgotten" by the Imperium.
It's dismissed as a rumour - but it's there...
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2012/10/29 21:49:00
Subject: Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Regular Dakkanaut
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i know i was hoping that the ellipsis would hint that i knew. I would love the UM if they weren't always thrown out there.
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Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/30 02:25:24
Subject: Re:Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
United States
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suggested that they've been integrated into some legions like the Ultramarines
It is suggest AND IT IS WRONG.
The guys who said that in the book were saying rumors and they had no idea if it was true.
However Rogal Dorn and Malcador flat out stated that the 2 legions still physically exist in and Dorn played with the idea of calling them for reforcements but they agreed not to / couldnt even if they wanted too
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2012/10/30 02:40:57
Subject: Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Regular Dakkanaut
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hmmm interesting were was this stated
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Wherever and whenever they appear they leave only destruction in their wake; they are the Lords of Death, Bringers of War. The Dark Angels.
Oh, you think the darkness is your ally, but you merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn’t see the light until I was already a man; by then, it was nothing to me but blinding!- Helen Keller |
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2012/10/30 02:50:11
Subject: Re:Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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 Grey Templar wrote:jareddm wrote:There's really not that much argument amongst those in the know about the Blood Ravens being of TS lineage. The argument is whether they are literally the same marines who escaped prospero, or just happen to use TS geneseed under some forgotten Inquisition/AdMech/HLoT secret project.
Well at this point there won't be any of the original marines left alive, except possably a Dreadnought or two.
So they will mearely be descendents of the original marines, like any other chapter.
Yes, but descendants from a former legion is quite different from a "descendant" that is formed during a founding. There's all sorts of precedence for shenanigans during a founding. Mixed geneseeds, mixed successors, direct successors from non-first founding chapters, external tampering. All of which is really only applicable if they were truly founded, as opposed to the direct descendants of the legion, who would pick up recruits as they go along.
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2012/10/30 02:57:32
Subject: Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
United States
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Word Bearers in "The First Heretic" suggest the claim.
In "Mechanicum" Is the conversation between Dorn and Malcador. I recall they have a second one somewhere else but I dont remember what book
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2012/10/30 06:34:02
Subject: Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Did the author's actually say it was a false rumour?
As long as the possibility exists, we can speculate and have fun with topics like this 
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2012/10/30 07:01:01
Subject: Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Rough Rider with Boomstick
United States
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 Far Seer wrote:Did the author's actually say it was a false rumour?
As long as the possibility exists, we can speculate and have fun with topics like this
Word Bearer 2 tells WB 1 that he doesnt know what he is talking about and that its a rumor so shut up
Dorn and Malcador CLEARLY STATE that the 2 missing legions STILL EXIST and Dorn wonders out loud if it was possible to use them as reforcements.
This proves that the rumor is false. The mystery of what happened to them and why is still out there for sure but we know that at least one of the two legions were not butchered to the man. They could be crusading/in stasis/ etc... who knows, in fact one could be the Blood Ravens, we dont know. The only thing we know is that they are not Ultramarines
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2012/10/30 08:19:57
Subject: Re:Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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This http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Blood_Ravens....
Scroll down to artifacts and tell me aren't they cleptomaniacs or descendans of at least 3-4 chapters....
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/10/30 08:28:03
Subject: Re:Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Well, at least its only artifacts...its not like the Blood Ravens have anything like the vaults of the City of Light prior to the Burning of Prospero (coughs).
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/30 08:39:38
Subject: Re:Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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 Tadashi wrote:
Well, at least its only artifacts...its not like the Blood Ravens have anything like the vaults of the City of Light prior to the Burning of Prospero (coughs).
What bugs me, if you scroll the list of known SM chapters there's like tone of them with primarch "unkonown" (ty "I")....Oooo, btw second theory is that they are from loyalist LW ???
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2012/10/31 00:06:34
Subject: Mystery of the Blood Ravens
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Crushing Black Templar Crusader Pilot
Philippines
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Same with the others, i like the Blood Ravens - Thousand Sons Connection
Or at least the chapter could be an attempt by the imperium to create a chapter like the Thousand Sons to help combat the Warp entities
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