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Hello everybody. I might make an Ork Big Mek in a Deff Dread, with a KFF, and the ability to climb out and fix things ( the Dread cannot move/shoot/assault while this happens, but he can repair his mechanical mount). I say, 200pts? I may show pictures of the stages if I go through with this. All but 1 of my friends don't let me use the things I build, and when they do, it is with great reluctance, the unimaginitive sods.
Thoughts?

 The Wolf Of Fenria wrote:
All but 1 of my friends don't let me use the things I build, and when they do, it is with great reluctance, the unimaginitive sods.
Thoughts?

Do they come up with units to use in games? If not, you should pick up the hint.

STOP.

They are being polite in letting you run them, but they obviously don't like it. And you're calling them names?

Converting models is all fine and dandy, but coming up with rules that aren't over-powered is difficult.

Again. STOP THAT.

If you want crazy Meks, check out the army list in Imperial Armor 8. Also note that those meks can't "climb out and fix things."

Enjoy your week!

Yeah... I would be a little reluctant to play with homebrewed units too. I guess its fine once in a while for fun, but I wouldn't recommend making a habit of bringing stuff like that.

as a matter of fact, I do not invent rules. a supa gatler is real, and so is a skorcha. those were all my scratch builds.

STOP.

also, I take it you are an Ork player? You have got the Codex? and before some smat says "yes, but it does not contain meks climbing out of things", I will have been happy with the suggestion "but not that one" in a polite fashion.

as for being polite? Heck, they tell my chap to BUGGER OFF.
Thank you for your time. I shall remove that rule.

 The Wolf Of Fenria wrote:
as a matter of fact, I do not invent rules. a supa gatler is real, and so is a skorcha. those were all my scratch builds.

STOP.

I'm pretty sure big mej's climbing out of deffdreads is a made up rule, as even in fluff terms an Orc is "wired" into his dread

 The Wolf Of Fenria wrote:
as a matter of fact, I do not invent rules. a supa gatler is real, and so is a skorcha. those were all my scratch builds.

STOP.

Your first sentence is an example of a walker that a Big Mek (an HQ choice) rides in and can repair himself. You then say "200 pts?" as though as you are asking if that is a fair price.

Forgive me, but that certainly sounds like you're asking for permission to make a new unit and want feed back for how much it should cost. Please tell me how I am wrong.

Now that we've straightened that out, let's get down to brass tacks. There is nothing wrong with conversions, so long as they are appropriately sized. You have yet to show us a picture of one that you've done, so I'm reluctant to say that yours are ok. Now then, if you want this using existing rules, you have some choices:

1. Make a Deff Dread and give it Grot Riggers to repair immobilized and weapon destroyed results. Say that it is a Big Mek in it, but it still takes up an Heavy Slot per the rules. Perfectly legal. Lets you use a Deff Dread model and repair it through the course of play. Shouldn't ruffle people's feathers.

2. Go buy the IA:8, Raid on Kastoral Novum. There is an HQ version of a Deff Dread that a Big Mek rides in. You can give it all sorts of options.

Enjoy your week. Keep Calm and Cthulu Fhtagn

I'm pretty sure Supa-Gattlaz are too large to be mounted on a Deff Dread. That's why they're mounted on Mega-Dreads and Stompaz and such.

Actually, I use it as artillery in Apocalypse.

Mate that's not what they are saying, just because you use codex weapons doesn't mean its going to be balanced. Honestly home brewed rules need a lot of work to balance, about 1/1000 threads with title "My custom..." Actually have a unit balanced and well thought out. Conversions are awesome and most people are all for them, especially ork ones! However if your friends dislike your rules, take the hint, especially if your using the apocalypse only supa gatla

I do use it apocalypse only, and they're fine with skorcha attatched deffkoptas.

If you want to use custom rules in your army, you have to make sure your opponents are ok with them. For something like this, I'd ask them to price it out at what THEY think is reasonable, and if it's something that you can't live with, then don't use it. Nobody wants to play a game where someone brings an unofficial unit that hasn't been properly play tested and then get stomped by said unit.

Based purely off memory, I think that the price of a Deffdread plus the price of a Big Mek with KFF would equal out to more than 200 points by itself. Then you've mentioned something about a supa-gatler? On a deffdread? That weapon was not meant to be used in a regular 40k game, and I wouldn't allow it.

 =I= White-Wolf wrote:
Mate that's not what they are saying, just because you use codex weapons doesn't mean its going to be balanced. Honestly home brewed rules need a lot of work to balance, about 1/1000 threads with title "My custom..." Actually have a unit balanced and well thought out. Conversions are awesome and most people are all for them, especially ork ones! However if your friends dislike your rules, take the hint, especially if your using the apocalypse only supa gatla

Hmm... what points cost do you recommend or rules that require removing?


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HOW MANY TIMES! SUPA GATLER I USE ONLY IN APOCALYPSE! NOWHERE ELSE! Theyre fine with that.

 The Wolf Of Fenria wrote:

 =I= White-Wolf wrote:
Mate that's not what they are saying, just because you use codex weapons doesn't mean its going to be balanced. Honestly home brewed rules need a lot of work to balance, about 1/1000 threads with title "My custom..." Actually have a unit balanced and well thought out. Conversions are awesome and most people are all for them, especially ork ones! However if your friends dislike your rules, take the hint, especially if your using the apocalypse only supa gatla

Hmm... what points cost do you recommend or rules that require removing?


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HOW MANY TIMES! SUPA GATLER I USE ONLY IN APOCALYPSE! NOWHERE ELSE! Theyre fine with that.

Well as mentioned (btw I am not adept with the ork codex) a big mek with KFF + Deff Dread would equal to 200 points on it's own, you also have to come up with 2 profiles for the big mek in the dread and when he is on foot, as well as appropriate model swap over. Your best off making the model, and it has the ability to repair itself because of the big mek (say give it a rule like "it will not die", at the start of the movement phase of your turn, on the roll of a 6 you can repair a weapon or hull point) Give him BS3 (again big mek) and the normal options for deff dreads. This would be IMHO about 230 points (30 points for the ability).
You see the problem with what you want (like you said, you use skorchers on the koptas) is that codexi normally don't include certain options for particular reasons

I dont need a different statline for the mek,that one is in the codex. Thanks for the recommendation though.

OP: Rule already exist for such a unit. Take an allied Meka Dread from Imperial Armour 8. Problem Solved!*



*Or just new problems created as "oh noes it's a FW unit!"

One of my more acceptive friends would allow that. And the Meka Dred is for use in 40k! I'll do that and make it count as having Grot Riggers.

Some time around Christmas, a new topic will pop up detailing this conversion and showing pictures of the stages as they happen.
Have a nice day.

At the end of the day, if you make the rules, get them reviewed (It's what Proposed Rules is for), thrash it out, balance and test it, as well as make a specific model for it that looks good - then rule of cool is in full effect.

Better you do, cooler you make it, the easier it'll be.
Give it a kickass name, an awesome model and overcost it slightly, then have a copy printed for your opponent to use during the game. So when you ask and they look at it they're more likely to go 'Yeah, sweet, go ahead'
Such as my Tau Commander Mourning Sorrow, Drychera and such.

ADDITIONAL:
Apoc encourages homebrew and scratchbuilding!
Infact, to a degree, so does 40k - it says if you're not entirely happy the rules, go ahead and make your own!

Great! just a few questions though. I think I'll be the one thrashed on Proposed Rules. Did you read the comment second to the top? Harsh words. So you're saying print out the rules, show them to the opponent, and ask them to price it reasonably? I have a friend who takes a glance at the model, turns to my Ork friend, says "is that in the codex?" turns back and says "it can bugger off."
If that sounded cynical, sorry. I'll ask him to value it for me tomorrow before school.

No, I'm saying price it appropriately, but make sure you have a copy of the rules on the table with your codex, so your opponent can see it at any time.

Proposed rules is there for the very reason of making new things, so people will generally give constructive criticism and advice.

At the end of the day, use a decent layout (there's a template in my sig ), think it through and make everything clear. Practice makes perfect after all.